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Miami Police Threaten to Arrest Man for Making Public Records Request at Miami City Hall

 

Tuesday’s debacle where we were detained by Hialeah police for making a simple public records request was not the only time Joel Chandler was confronted by police for making a public records request during his visit to South Florida this week.

The following day, he was confronted by a pair of plainclothes Miami police officers who threw him out of Miami City Hall for attempting to talk to the city clerk or city attorney over a public records issue.

“They told me I had to leave the building,” he explained.

“I told them the reason I am here is that I am making a public records request, that I am trying to avoid suing the city.”

The cop’s response: “Just sue the city.”

Those cops obviously have nothing to worry about considering how less than two months after the U.S. Department of Justice slammed the Miami Police Department for its tendency to kill unarmed black men, the city commission voted to give them an across-the-board bonus, according to the Miami New Times.

Just because Miami Police officers have a bit of a problem with shooting unarmed black men, doesn’t mean they don’t deserve a lil’ sumpin’ sumpin’ extra.

At least, that’s what city commissioners seemed to suggest last night when they gave preliminary approval to a $524 million budget that would give Miami cops a one-time bonus equal to three percent of their salary.

The windfall — which amounts to $6.8 million or roughly half of the city’s 2013 surplus — comes shortly after the Department of Justice slammed Miami Police for a “pattern… of excessive force” that killed seven black men in eight months. Most of the men were unarmed.

Even for Chandler, who has sued countless government agencies throughout Florida for public records violations, his experience in Miami left the Lakeland man shaking his head.

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Joel Chandler

But the goon-like thuggery he experienced down here won’t scare him away from his quest to educate all government agencies about the state’s public records laws as he explained on his blog, Fog Watch.

The degree of lawlessness with respect to public records access in Miami-Dade County was stunning.  I’ve been there to conduct audits many times before, but it seems like things are getting worse.  I guess it’s time for Education through Litigation…again.

He did not expect Wednesday’s incident to be anything more than a five-minute exercise while his friends waited at the hotel across the street from city hall, which is next door to the City of Miami Municipal Marina. Instead, it took more than an hour of his time.

He was unable to video record the encounter with the cops because his iPad battery had run low, but we can see his exchange with the marina workers in the above video, who falsely tell him that video recording them without their consent is a violation of federal law – as if the City of Miami ever cared about federal law.

The Marina was located across the street from our hotel and we noticed that it was publicly owned and operated on Monday night as we walked back to our hotel from dinner in Coconut Grove.  They claim that it is the largest municipal marina in Florida.

On our last day in South Florida I walked across the street to the marina alone.

This encounter became another example of the absurd lengths that some public officials will go to frustrate the public’s right to know.  In addition to profound ignorance of their obligations under the Public Records Act, the folks I encountered we very quick to just start making stuff up.  They claimed that I was obliged to obey nonexistent rules and laws while ignoring the actual laws they are obliged to obey.  Most exasperating was their complete unwillingness to seek counsel from the City Clerk or the City Attorney in spite of my repeated invitations to do so.  When I explained that litigation would be the likely outcome they either did not seem to care or outright encouraged me to file suit against the City of Miami.

Chandler said that the only thing that saved him from getting arrested was Miami City Clerk Todd Hannon, who did a good of deescalating the situation, something that most locals have a hard time doing.

Earlier this year, after being confirmed as city clerk, Hannon told the Miami Herald he would make the public records process much more accessible to the general public while implementing his laid-back California style.

“It’s that West Coast mentality,” said Hannon, who lived in California before moving to Miami eight years ago. “I like to think you can be easy-going and still get things done.”

He has big plans for the office, including updating Miami’s electronic records systems and putting the historical archives online. He hopes the state will be willing to help out with the cost.

“We want to make it as easy as possible for the public to access our records,” he said. “We just have to do it smartly and make sure we get the best for our money.”

But he is obviously up against the typical third-world Miami mentality that would rather spend extra money on rewarding cops for violating people’s rights rather than providing a more transparent government.

“If I had gone to jail, we wouldn’t be talking about a public records issue, we would be talking about a federal civil rights lawsuit,” he said.

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Carlos Miller is founder and publisher of Photography is Not a Crime, which began as a one-man blog in 2007 to document his trial after he was arrested for photographing police during a journalistic assignment. He is also the author of The Citizen Journalist's Photography Handbook, which can be purchased through Amazon.
  • JdL

    People keep saying that there are cops, somewhere, who aren’t complete jerks, but actual reported instances of such cops are about as rare as hens’ teeth, while reports of S***-head cops like these come along multiple times every day.

    I know! Let’s try harder to find those mythical “good cops”! They must be out there, somewhere. On the Good Ship Lollipop, perhaps?

    • rick

      Deputy Elton Simmons. From LA of all places.

    • http://withinthismind.com/ WithinThisMind

      Eh, the local sheriffs around here are pretty decent guys. There were a couple cops in the town I went to college in that were fairly nice, though I can’t really call them ‘good guys’ because they weren’t speaking out against the cops in that town who were crooked. But they did try to de-escalate situations and were inclined to give the benefit of the doubt even to minorities and teenagers, as well as to let folks off with a warning as much as possible. Unfortunately, that meant they tended not to make their quotas and so were never going to get promoted. And it’s sad that all it takes is basic human decency to be labelled a ‘good cop’ these days.

      • TheFlashingScotsman

        Ever since I started following PINAC, I’ve kept my video camera with me, waiting for my chance. But my local cops are pretty laid back, well behaved.

        • Proud GrandPa

          I’ve almost always received respectful treatment from police and sheriff deputies. People know when you respect them and treat you well in return..
          .
          Building rapport with a LEO as is my usual habit paid off big time once. A member of my family was let go by a friend who remembered our family. Basically cops are pretty decent people just like everybody else.

          • numbskull

            I guess if your an older gentleman of Anglo Saxon decent, and display a proper amount of respect, then yes, most minor issues with the authorities are easily overlooked.

          • http://withinthismind.com/ WithinThisMind

            Yep. It’s much easier to defend cops when you are part of the privileged crowd.

          • crazyassmofo

            …and never question the mis-applied rules. And sucking some cop dick never hurts either right gramps?

          • https://www.youtube.com/user/kilroy238 Kilroy238

            Uncalled for.

          • crazyassmofo

            You don’t know what you are talking about concerning gramps…get updated and with the program.

    • Mark Olish

      Plain and simple; they don’t exist. Every single one of them has knowledge of the abuses and condones them. Whether actively through perpetration, or passively after the fact through silence, makes no difference. They are ALL guilty under the laws they’ve sworn to uphold. It’s called Accessory After the Fact and any one of us would be prosecuted for it.

      • Difdi

        If I knew a coworker committed abuses of civil rights and broke the law whenever he felt like it, I’d be considered a bad person, even a criminal for not reporting him to the police.

        Police, on the other hand, are effectively exempted from most of the rules for what makes anyone else an accomplice or conspirator because the people in charge of enforcing those laws almost never see any need to do so with regards to police.

        • Mark Olish

          They certainly cover up for each other,but that doesn’t make it legal. The problem is that they investigate themselves. That’s like having weasels investigate a hen-house slaughter.

    • Voice-Of-Concern

      I’ve encountered some pretty decent SFPD cops.. Years ago, first time I ever got pulled over (tail light out, but was driving through rough neighborhood), I had a strong adrenalin response that made me shake like i was almost shivering. The officer was polite, and not intrusive. A second older officer (training officer?) gave me back my ID & registration. I was surprised that they didn’t ask to search my car or otherwise detain me, after they ran my ID.

    • Difdi

      If Sheriff Andy Taylor were around today (and real), he’d quickly be forced to resign or take VERY early retirement because he’s obviously unfit to be a law enforcement officer. I mean, he takes his oath seriously and obeys the law! That assumes that the governor wouldn’t just order his arrest on trumped up charges.

  • rick

    I thought public record laws in Florida were some of the most friendly in the country? Apparently ignorance of the law IS an excuse for government employees in Florida.

    At some point the Education Through Litigation campaign needs damages awarded to exceed court and lawyer fees. Otherwise the public servants will never get the message.

    Are the offices that were successfully sued ever rechallenged?

    • Proud GrandPa

      If you are intent upon changing the system, require as part of any legal settlement a mandated training program on FOI for city staff. Get a judge to approve the settlement even if it is out of court. That way the city will be risk contempt for failure to honor the settlement. It worked for religious free speech rights and for racial equality rights.

      • crazyassmofo

        All the guy had to do was make a simple phone call to the city clerk and say Joel Chandler is here.

        Echoing from the phone one then hears…”Give him whatever he wants.”

    • steveo

      One of Joel’s compatriots, attorney Andrea Mogensen, makes a living doing this. You wouldn’t think that government agency after government agency just takes a flippant attitude toward the public records laws but they continue to do it, over and over and over. 3 years ago, she sued the city of Venice, Fl over concealed emails and was awarded 1.3 million in legal fees which didn’t include the million from the government’s lawyers. None of the elected officials are around any more and they have new city management, but you can see how expensive these stupid people can be.

      Many people view the litigation of people like Joel and Andrea as “gotcha” suits, but as you can see in the above videos, that Joel goes to great lengths to work with the government agency, to avoid litigation. They don’t lose too many of the lawsuits, maybe one.

  • Melvin

    Thanks Carlos… I’m enjoying the education…

    • Carlos_Miller

      Thanks for reading, Bone!

  • Prisoner416

    If you’re going to pursue activism, why wouldn’t you have you devices fully charged, along with one or two backups? I always carry at least two recording devices in case one fails.

    • Carlos_Miller

      Joel is learning that. His thing has always been the public records. He is just now understanding the importance of getting it all on camera.

      We are all learning through each other as we see the potential the citizens have to ensure government transparency.

      It’s going to be a long battle and mistakes will happen along the way, but we will learn from those mistakes.

      • Proud GrandPa

        Amen!
        .
        Am confident of the ultimate success of photog rights. Expect it sooner rather than later… perhaps in only a few years as case law grows.

        • crazyassmofo

          But again, this is not just about photog rights, but about rights in general and specific rights concerning access to public records…but using video documentary evidence of how those rights are being violated or fulfilled.

    • Adam Barker

      Batteries charged, one or two camera backups (preferably video), a calm demeanor, steady hands, full stomach, an empty bladder… nice and relaxed and ready to go…

    • Joel Chandler

      In the comment above I’ve addressed, at least partially, the battery issue. An additional point is also appropriate here.

      These encounters are so common as to almost be unremarkable. Frankly, it’s a little like getting excited about not snapping a photo of my lawn this morning. It will be there tomorrow. My conservation of the battery was primarily a function of wanting to capture something unusual later in the day with my African-American companions.

      Being mistreated by some jackass at a publicly operated agency – well I can do that anytime. Jeff Gray and Thomas Covenant will, I think, confirm that this sort of thing happens with such regularity that it’s not especially difficult to find. All you really need to do is show up and make a public records request with a camera in hand. They’ll do the rest.

  • kyle

    When the clerk eventually pulls these marina employees’ heads out of their collective asses, I hope that each person on video who ‘denied’ your request will be ordered to ‘fulfill’ your request… instead of having some lackey do it for them.

    This is an outrage, as are all the other outrages on this site.

  • TheFlashingScotsman

    I’m always amazed at Joel’s professionalism in the face of such stupidity and arrogance.

    • Carlos_Miller

      Both Joel and HONORYOUROATH.

    • Joel Chandler

      Thanks for the kind words.

  • paschn

    In a “Christian” nation so perverse, so warped that the denizens stand politely by and allow +/- 50,000 of their fellow humans to die each year for lack of health insurance, where too many put forth money and effort to insure “Fido” and “Tabby” are fed, warm and have needed medical attention while millions are illegally robbed of their homes, live in storm drains and tent cities, perhaps seeing this story will enrage these “Christians” enough to straighten out this dying nation’s Sycophants-in-Blue;

    http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/california-police-shooting-injured.html
    I strongly doubt it, but what the hey. If not, continue taking their pictures/videos…. for later reference.

    • Herbert Napp

      Agreed. Islam is terrible as well. If you agree with that.

      • Proud GrandPa

        Herb, Pascn is just trolling to try to distract and sabotage PINAC blog and lower credibility. I wouldn’t feed the troll.

        • crazyassmofo

          …easier to yell troll than address his concerns gramps.

          • Herbert Napp

            Religion, or just the ones you don’t like?

          • Proud GrandPa

            Yea, I noticed that too about Crazy. You and I respect religious civil rights and freedom of speech. He fears our freedoms.

          • Herbert Napp

            Our differences aside(adults can do this, people!) Reminds me of the endless facebook updates I see from my liberal friends bashing Christianity and poormouthing everyone about Islam. I can’t believe they do not recognize the hypocrisy.

  • Herbert Napp

    “two months after the U.S. Department of Justice slammed the Miami Police Department for its tendency to kill unarmed black men” Wow Carlos. Good sensationalism. I can taste the vomit in the back of my fucking throat.

    • StreyDawg

      Because surely the death of unarmed citizens at the hands of gov’t employees is nothing to be disturbed about, and surely the very fact that the even the DOJ recognizes that the city of Miami has become a cesspool of corrupt gov’t at every level.

      • Herbert Napp

        We are all human. There is absolutely no reason to call out the race of someone being oppressed. As soon as you do that, a wedge is set, and they win.

        • ts

          Go take a nap old man. And get off my lawn!!

        • numbskull

          Exactly, one should NEVER mention the race of someone being oppressed because… well because… It’s just wrong. And then they win.

          • Herbert Napp

            Yes! Look at how WELL that worked in “THE TRAYVON”.

        • aikimoe

          So slavery in last half of the previous millennium was about what humans primarily from Europe did to humans primarily from Africa? Or does that say too much about race?

          Okay, so slavery was about one group of humans enslaving another. Hey, that’s easy! The Holocaust? Just humans killing humans!

          I heard in Zimbabwe that one group of humans is taking farm lands from another group of humans.

          Oh, those crazy humans!

        • Carlos_Miller

          Funny because the only person creating a “wedge” is you.

        • StreyDawg

          WTF are you talking about? I never even made a slight reference to race…

    • Carlos_Miller

      Your reaction to my statement says a lot more about you than it does about me.

      Please don’t be the latest asshole who tries to control my writing.

      http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/14/3500528/for-2nd-time-justice-dept-says.html

      • Herbert Napp

        God forbid you’re criticized on the internet, Carlos.

        • crazyassmofo

          …wrongly criticized is more like it.

        • Carlos_Miller

          You criticized me for reporting what a USDOJ investigation uncovered, which is kind of stupid, don’t you think?

          • Herbert Napp

            Not really, the way presented. You know exactly what you’re doing. You’re stroking and stumping on hot button issues that are likely to be popular with this crowd by using such a crude presentation of the “facts”. You also cite USDOJ investigations as reliable evidence with fervor and harpoon the government for it’s corruption and transparency in another. Try talking down to one of your mindless followers.

          • Carlos_Miller

            Considering you’re the only person on this thread who is stroked and stumped on what you call a “hot button issue,” then you’re as mindless as they come.

            Seriously, I’m really getting sick of readers trying to play my editor.

          • Carlos_Miller

            Herbert, I’m going to be very direct here, and I’m sure many readers are not going to like what I say, but lately, it’s getting really stupid in here.

            If you have vomit coming out of the back of your throat because I mentioned a USDOJ report that stated that Miami cops were killing unarmed black men at an alarming rate – not that I needed to read that report because I live in this city and see what’s going on- then you are a fucking racist.

            And that’s ok. You’re obviously one of those white people who don’t want to hear any mention of race, even if, as it is in the case of Miami police, a very relevant part of the issue.

            I’m not a racist, Herbert. But I’m not one to play the race card either.

            But facts are facts.

            And I shouldn’t be wasting my time with you because you are coming across like a disgusting piece of shit, but that’s the price you pay when you run a blog that attracts all kinds of people.

            And I used to think I was very tolerant, but I have to be honest, I am becoming a little more intolerant of intolerant people, if that makes sense.

          • Herbert Napp

            Ah, racist. Nice. Maybe disallow comments if you don’t want readers playing editor. You’re a delusional kid if you think you can have a site like this, with a comment section, and not get critiqued.

          • Carlos_Miller

            You’re right, Herbert. Just one look at Youtube shows that the more popular a site gets, the more it gets populated by jackasses.

            But I won’t disable comments. I should just do a better job at ignoring comments.

            Comment away.

  • Harry Balzanya

    I really think its the water in Florida. The inhabitants of shore towns in NJ are inhabited by equally stupid people. They were both covered with sea until recently in geologic history. I think the well water has some amino acid, that blocks vitamins to the brain. Floridians are simply ridiculously stupid people. Its not a pure stupid. Its more like lead poisoning.

    • crazyassmofo

      …and a lot of people from NJ in Florida…maybe they brought down a virus with them years ago….all are now infected.

  • io-io

    So I wonder what particular law will reign supreme – the public records law request, or the trespassing law that the police were called to enforce in response to the request for copies of the public records. An interesting situation to say the least.

    It would have been valuable to have the police show up on the video in response.

  • ChandlerForPrez!

    I love watching Joel’s work. He does SUCH a great job keeping his cool and notifying the uninformed public employees of the law. And I’m sure Joel is already mad enough at himself for letting the battery die. But I just want to slap him (gently) on the wrist for not capturing this gem on video. I would really have loved to see it play out with the cops.

    Joel, if you’re reading this, have you ever considered revisiting the sites of previous conflicts and requesting the same identical information to see if they’ve learned their lessons?

    • Joel Chandler

      The battery did not die. This was my first stop of the day and I had folks waiting on me back at the hotel. I expected this to be a five minute errand and it lasted almost an hour. I was trying to conserve the battery for things later in the day.

      Yes, I do revisit agencies that don’t do well in an audit. There are so many in Florida that as a one-man-show its hard to circle back sometimes. 67 counties, 412 municipalities, 360 LE agencies, 10,000+ contractors, you get the idea.

      With respect to the critique of carrying more cameras, my resources are spread so thin with litigation costs I just have to work with what I’ve got. At the end of the day, it generally works out – my win/loss record is well over 98% with about 200 cases and counting.

      What we really need are more folks video recording their own public records requests. As I’ve told Carlos (and done with Thom and Jeff) I’d be willing to meet with anyone to train them on public records access.

      • Voice-Of-Concern

        Joel, would you consider doing a webinar or something, to give general guidance to us many far flung folks who are interested? I think http://www.oovoo.com/ provides the option for up to 12 folks at a time.

        • AlexW

          I agree you have enough material for a webinar and writing an ebook.

          We want to support in anyway possible

          • Joel Chandler

            Thanks for the kind words. My mission is to empower other folks to exercise their right to access public records. You have no idea how much power you already have until you use it.

        • Joel Chandler

          I’ll discuss public records issues at the drop of a hat and I’ll drop the hat. You set it up and I’ll do it.

          • Voice-Of-Concern

            Thank you Joel.

            I am going to be out of town for about 10 days. On my return, I will try to set something up.

      • $22798478

        Would love to start this process of accountability with someone, and more importantly, would also like to work with your lawyer since he’s use to these cases and knows what to do to win. I say this because we all know that I will face these folks that will NOT do their job.

        • Joel Chandler

          Most of my litigation is done Pro Se. There are only a handful of public records litigators in the entire state. If you really need someone contact the Florida First Amendment Foundation for a referral.

  • n4zhg

    What is it about Florida that makes law enforcement so patently fascist and stupid?

    • crazyassmofo

      I think you will find this to be rampant among politicians and government workers.
      Anyone with a contract being paid by tax dollars and having a mafia…I mean union.
      They feel like they are the elite of society…the overlords.
      When they should be wiping our asses to please us when we walk through the door.

  • Mark

    Joel’s main point is to prove that Joel is better than everyone else.
    Obtaining these records immediately, just to make a point is a non-issue.
    Making employees uncomfortable by pushing them is Joel on an ego trip.
    Going thru regular channels & fixing the system makes sense,

    but doing so in a confrontational way, proves what?

    That Joel is unable to work with regular folks & has his own agenda, which is to make himself look superior.

    • steveo

      Your point is so wrong, and misguided that it’s laughable. Joel never makes anyone uncomfortable. How can you make a government employee uncomfortable just by asking him/her to do their job? The Florida Attorney General’s office goes to great time and expense putting together a guide to law enforcement agencies and a step by step format on how to handle public records requests. What do the police agencies do with it? They mostly toss it in the crapper. The Attorney General is their boss. But as you can see from Joel’s audits, many or alot of them just don’t care.

    • crazyassmofo

      I would have to wholeheartedly disagree with your analysis.

      Nowhere on the video or on any of his other videos would I interpret Joel’s behavior as someone proving he is better than everyone else.
      He states his intentions and the law up front and remains operating within that very context.
      The only ones that create further issue and confrontation are those that think they know the law, restrict access or violate the law.
      They make themselves look ignorant because…they are. They are confrontational to the law and individual rights.

      Thus, they and their ignorance make themselves look inferior to Joel, not the other way around with Joel trying in making himself look superior.

      Big difference.

      Obtaining public records immediately is the issue
      Unrestricted access with a verbal request is all that is required according to the law and your rights.
      Anything else is violation of the law and infringement on your rights.
      How one could think this is a non-issue is beyond me.

      Employees being misinformed, ignorant or purposefully acting in violation of the law and your rights is the only cause for discordance and thus is the only impetus for anyone to feel uncomfortable
      Someone asking for something in a way they are legally entitled to should be the most comfortable and easy scenario in the world.
      Joel cannot be held responsible for acting in the right and the discordance and resistance created by others who are unwilling to follow the law and respect his rights.

      Do you know what the term ego even really means?

      ego noun ˈē-(ˌ)gō also ˈe-

      : the opinion that you have about yourself
      psychology : a part of the mind that senses and adapts to the real world

      : self-esteem

      : the one of the three divisions
      of the psyche in psychoanalytic theory that serves as the organized
      conscious mediator between the person and reality especially by
      functioning both in the perception of and adaptation to reality

      You, and your individuality, would not exist without your ego.
      The ego is actually a wholly positive thing.
      You are using the warped popular usage of a positive term with a falsely applied negative connotation.
      Asserting your rights as an individual is a function of a healthy ego…meaning you have value to yourself, and thus in the world. And taking the time to inform others of how they may be in error and that calling a proper authority to remedy or correct their ignorance is not “ego-tripping” but actually doing them, the system and yourself a positive service.
      Without a healthy ego…you would die.

      What you describe as going through regular channels is actually what Joel is doing.
      It is the ignorant or suppressive government employees that have created “irregular” channels and are trying to pass them off as appropriate “regular” channels. They are in the wrong with their irregular channels. And with that Joel is doing exactly what would need to be done to fix that very broken mechanism within the system.
      How you cannot see that is beyond me.

      Joel does have his own agenda. By exercising a healthy ego and self-value for his rights and the law he is revealing the ignorance of government, revealing the actual law they do not follow all in an attempt to bring awareness and fix the problem.

      The government and society needs more egotistical, self-serving, ethically superior folk like Joel. If I were still living in Florida, I would buy Carlos Joel a lunch and ask how could I help in their endeavors with my active participation.

      • $22798478

        Mark must have been on the receiving end of Mr. Chandlers request, and then was more then likely chastised by the city when they were sued. LOL It’s OK Mark, you learned a valuable lesson on open source accountability.

        It’s disgusting how both guy’s started pulling made up laws out of their asses, and then started supporting each others bullshit as if they held some higher power. Mental midgets like cops, they feel positional authority trumps actual law. Silly dumb-asses.

  • Tijuana Joe

    Yes, Miami is living a double life as 21st Century International Hotspot
    and third world dump. Check out that little bungalow that calls
    itself the Miami Greyhound Station. Last time I was there it smelled like rotten
    eggs and the clerks were half asleep. The furniture looked like something
    from the inmate visitation room at a state prison. Weird.

  • Elliott W

    I really like the way Joel handles these encounters. Basically allowing these people to hang themselves while giving them chance after chance after chance to rectify the situation and act within the law.

    I’m really surprised that cities have not put out memos on the topic and been clear about this since it seems so very clear and they time after time after time fail in their lawful duties.

    • Joel Chandler

      In all fairness, many agencies and various organizations (Florida Clerks Association, etc.) have sent out memos, newsletters and “email alerts” including my photo to virtually every public agency in Florida. It doesn’t make any difference because they don’t test for compliance. They can write all the memos they want but until they test it won’t many any difference. I keep telling them that and not one agency tests itself.

      • Elliott W

        Then they deserve what happens to them Joel. As I said, your style is very appealing, suggesting they call someone who can set them straight and them declining over and over more or less makes it very clear they are incompetent and unlawful and don’t even care to TRY and be lawful. I’m sure that slaughter’s any possible argument in court about their behavior.

  • AlexW

    Perfect…excersie.
    It was professional and clear.

    He was ready and practiced
    He didn’t studder or whine about civil rights and freedoms.

    He didn’t show weakness.

    He was not confused but showed firm
    resolve.

    He was prepared.

    This is the best.

    I hope that I will have the opportunity
    to find my own niche of activism

    Very encouraged.

  • notliberal

    I love how ignorance of the law is not a legal excuse for anyone but govt employees.

  • Phillip D Breske

    Can a link be provided directly to the Florida Statute that allows for unhindered access to public records in the State of Florida? I would love to walk into my local police/sheriff’s office (Ocala/Marion County) and test them, but I’m not going armed with only the excuse “I saw it on a video.”

  • $22798478
  • phcquecop

    Miami, A sunny place with shady cops.

  • Punkbydefault

    This is like going to McDonalds and asking for a Quarter Pounder, large fries and a coke, and being told you have to fill out a request for it, call the manager in, and they’ll have you in for a metting in about a month or so. Then you can eat.

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