October 13th, 2013

Lancaster Cops Continue to Threaten Videographer, Even After Last Week’s National Embarrassment 90

By Carlos Miller

Less than a week after a Pennsylvania man posted a video showing a Lancaster cop refusing to take an accident report because the man insisted on his nephew recording the interaction, a story that was picked up by a national technology site as well as the local newspaper, another Lancaster police officer threatened to arrest the man on wiretapping charges, indicating a clear pattern of abuse of authority when it comes to the Constitutionally protected act of recording cops in public.

Fortunately, Paul Dejesus knew his rights and was not afraid to assert them, even after the cop gave up on the wiretapping threat and began threatening him with disorderly conduct, which is the usual catch-all charge for contempt of cop.

But Dejesus slapped that threat down by pointing out he was recording from his own yard.

But if he was recording from a public sidewalk, he still wouldn’t have been guilty of disorderly conduct in that state.

The incident began as Dejesus was in his yard with family enjoying a barbecue when he spotted several cop cars making a traffic stop.

He started recording, which prompted a cop to shine a flashlight into the camera, an increasing popular tactic used by cops, including on Miami Beach against me earlier this year, which led to Miami Beach Public Information Officer admitting the act was “immature.”

“I hope that video camera is not audio recording me because that is illegal,” the cop shouts out.

“No, it’s not,” Dejesus responds.

“Yes, it is,” the cop responds.

“No, it’s not, I know the law,” Dejesus says.

“You are not allowed to record my voice without my consent,” the cops says.

First of all, if the cop wouldn’t have opened his mouth, his voice would never have been recorded, but now that he did, he ended up making a fool of himself.

Pennsylvania is a two-party consent state, but as in other two-party consent states, the law wouldn’t apply when there is no expectation of privacy.

“You can either put it away or I will confiscate it,” the cop continues.

Dejesus tells him he would need a warrant.

The cop makes a couple more empty threats before going quiet, then piping up again with the disorderly conduct threat, which Dejesus slaps down.

Finally the cop just goes away and Dejesus is left to enjoy his barbecue with his family.

But now we’re left to see just how unprofessional that department operates.

Last week, after the cop refused to take Dejesus’ accident report, Dejesus called the department to complain, only to be told they have “a policy” in place that forbids them from being recorded in public.

When dozens of PINAC readers called to ask for that policy, they were hung up on. They also spent the bulk of the day deleting comments from their Facebook page questioning the legality of what turned out to be a non-existant policy.

Call the Lancaster Police Department at  (717) 664-1180 or send them a message through here.

Or leave a comment on their Facebook page to see how quick they scramble to delete it.


Send stories, tips and videos to Carlos Miller.
  • harry balzanya

    Shining a light into a journalists lense us a criminal act of prior restraint.

    • Difdi

      Shining a 200-800 lumen light into a person’s eyes is also assault, just witness what you get charged with for spotlighting a cop — assuming he doesn’t just draw his gun and shoot you.

      If the camera is right by your face, it would be hard to spotlight the lens without committing assault. Assault is a breach of the peace, which most places allow a citizen’s arrest for, and very few places exempt cops from being arrested.

      • Proud GrandPa

        This too should be part of every police department’s officer training program. They should be instructed as to what behaviors are grounds for a lawsuit.

        .

        Speaking of prior restraint

        In similar manner cities and school systems have tried creative ways to censor free speech of Bible clubs and college evangelists by prior restraint. We had to take each nuance to court, but we won. In like manner this other civil rights issue, photography or recording police, will meet with a variety of resistence such as shining lights into the camera or eyes. I bet a good attorney will show to court that this is also an example of police suppression of photog rights by prior restraint.

  • John H Johnson III

    Trying to figure out why he stop filming the cop if he knew the law?? I would of came out on the sidewalk and recorded them in their damn face, lol.

    • Antonio Buehler

      Maybe he didn’t feel like spending the night in jail.

      • John H Johnson III

        Trying to figure out how he could of gone to jail for filming on a public sidewalk.

        • Proud GrandPa

          Bad cops can make false arrests. Are you willing to give up 12 hours of your life for nothing? Not I.

          • John H Johnson III

            C’mon so you have never seen one of these videos of when one of these guys are filming right in the middle of a street some times? All it takes is a modest knowledge of the law from what they’ve been teaching us on this site. Be respectful and assertive that’s all. Not to mention the wire tapping laws allow video and audio just like the guy said in the video. There are people who go around the country and entice the cops to arrest them just so that they can sue the shit out of them for false arrest and violations of the 4th amendment.

          • Proud GrandPa

            So you think it was another set up to get a cop to make a bad arrest? The goal is money from a lawsuit? Is that what you think is the motive of the photog?

          • John H Johnson III

            I was giving an prime example of what some people do. This guy in the video obviously was scared which why I spoke up. If her knew he has the legal right to video record why did he stop?? Now if the cop would of arrested him for recording him, then yes the guy should of sued the department for all they are worth. They would of taken his freedom without a doubt, so why should he be all self-righteous and stuff?? Turning the cheek when the police do us wrong is the reason why in this country you got videos like this and no one does nothing about it.

          • BusPass

            Doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is the 1st Amendment.

          • Rail Car Fan

            There’s “NOTHING” wrong with that. Do it a few times for the right amount of $ MONEY $ and you can kick back and retire.

            Rail Car Fan

          • Fotaugrafee

            If you’re filming in the middle of the street, you’re a dumbass who is obstructing traffic.

            In the course of exercising your photographic rights, try not to break other laws to get your point across. It goes a long way in trying to win that lottery of false arrest. And you don’t “record them in their damn face” either, that’s probably a good way to get taken down for interfering with their arrest or traffic stop (like they’re alleging Jeff Gray just did).

          • Flashing Scotsman

            It might not be for nothing. This is why we have civil courts.

          • Rail Car Fan

            My “For Nothing” starts off at a minimum of $50k for 12 hours of my time… and goes UP from there!

            Rail Car Fan

        • Antonio Buehler

          Lots of people have gone to jail for legally filming the police. It’s happened to me three times, alone.

  • rick

    Hey Lancaster PD! Coercion is a second degree misdemeanor.

    § 2906. Criminal coercion.
    (a) Offense defined.–A person is guilty of criminal coercion, if, with intent unlawfully to restrict freedom of action of another to the detriment of the other, he threatens to:
    (2) accuse anyone of a criminal offense

    http://law.justia.com/codes/pennsylvania/2010/title-18/chapter-29/2906

    Then again, deprivation of rights under color of law is probably a felony making his actions a first degree misdemeanor.

    • inquisitor

      good post rick

    • Ian Battles

      Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 242 of the US Code makes it a federal crime for
      a public official to use their official authority under color of law to
      violate a civil, statutory or constitutional right. A simple oral
      directive issued in their official capacity to stop exercising the right
      is worth a year in prison or a $1,000 fine or both.

      TLDR: It’s a federal crime for a cop to interfere with calm, non-violent citizen
      videography, since filming in public is a 1st Amendment right. Threatening to arrest someone for exercising their 1st Amendment right is a crime.

  • harry balzanya

    Non emergency operator refused to take complaint said lancastor police department was not enough information it could be any police department.

  • Difster

    Let’s see how many times they double down. Maybe the State AG needs to get involved and spank them.

  • Virtualfrog

    He was doing fine by himself. Why does that annoying woman keep talking. That just makes things worse. Let one person talk and keep it under control as he did. The old adage of “Two many cooks spoil the broth” is very true when confronting police.

  • jimmarch

    Here’s the solution to cops shining a flashlight in your eyes…google these words:

    NiteCore TM26 “Tiny Monster” 3500 Lumen Flashlight

    This is not the only hand-held (roughly beer can size) “superflashlight” out there, but at 3500 lumens it’s a beast.

    • Carlos_Miller

      I would love to give that a try, but at $300, it will be a while before I do.

      http://www.amazon.com/NiteCore-Monster-3500-Lumens-Flashlight-Black/dp/B00B8XAEJ0

    • rick

      TrustFire TR-3T6 will do the trick. Basically a vehicle headlight in your hand. I can see color of neighbor’s house at 150+ yards.

    • Difdi

      200 lumens is enough to cause stabbing pain for someone with night-adjusted eyes, and you can get a decent 200 lumen LED light for around $20-$30.

      Of course, police tend to open fire when spotlighted that way, and if you survive you’ll be arrested for assaulting a police officer. Never mind that he did it first outside the line of duty and self-defense is legal under those circumstances…

      • Flashing Scotsman

        I like my 800-1000 lumen lights that cost ten dollars. I wouldn’t want one shined in MY face. If you really want to disorient, set them to strobe.

    • Joseph Murray

      SkyRay lights are a tenth that price and rate 4000+ LM
      All over ebay.

    • Proud GrandPa

      Oh really? And just what excatly would you do… to the police officer? If the LEO violates your rights, do you suppose you could shine a light into his eyes for revenge and get away with it? If so, you are going to lose at your trial. I’d gladly vote to convict anyone who harmed a cop even if that cop erred.
      .

      • jimmarch

        Well it leads to an interesting legal sequence, doesn’t it?

        See, the courts say we can record – it is our constitutional right to do so, linked to the 1st Amendment right to gather news for dissemination (which is a right we ALL have, not just professional reporters).

        So. We have the right, and a cop takes it away by shining a 200Lumen flashlight right at us.

        The only practical way we can get the right back is to use a light so bright it overwhelms that puny critter with 2,000+ Lumens.

        What happens then?

        Well it could go several ways.

        1) Cop backs down, we all turn our damn lights off and we get on with life.

        2) Cop makes an arrest and we’ll deal with it in court. Where I’d win.

        3) Cop makes a false *assault* or makes threats severe enough to put me in reasonable fear of losing my life or suffering great bodily injury. In which case things get very damned interesting because he’s blind as a bat and his gun is in a retention holster…mine is in a speed-rig of my own design and I’ve got a lot more eyesight available (plus I can keep right on blinding him).

        Do I want option 3 to happen? No. I think it will happen though. I can show you several examples of cop-watchers threatened by law enforcement to such a degree that legal use of force laws kick in. The most recent in Philly had two cops threatening to split somebody’s head open – those guys had a right to draw and fire right that second. Threats of that sort made before a lethal beat-down are why several cops in Fullerton CA are being prosecuted for murder – “these fists are gonna fuck you up” was a felony criminal threat uttered by a cop (as he put gloves on). Is a threat like that going to be uttered against an armed citizen like me at some point? Yeah. No question.

      • Rail Car Fan

        “Proud GrandPa” said in part…

        ” I’d gladly vote to convict anyone who harmed a cop even if that cop erred.”

        Seeing you made a blanket statement that covered “ALL” possible illegal scenarios and situations, (to and including beating a handcuffed victim who had “NOT” broken any law), which could be photographing cops from their front yard,.. then it’s quite questionable if you should ever be on a Jury having the mind set that you do.

        Making such a “all inclusive” statement, as you did, would be like me saying: “Drivers who run red lights and stop signs… or, drivers who do 45mph in a 20mph school zone should have their license taken away from them for a minimum of 6 months,” (irregardless of the circumstances or situation they may be in at the time).

        Things are NOT always Black and/or White! There is such a thing as a “GRAY” area.

        In addition: even though a rule, regulation or LAW may have been technically and LEGALLY broken, there is such a thing as “MORALLY” having done so because of the surrounding circumstances and situation (which, because of the aforementioned), NO established negative action would be taken against the the so called “LAW Breaker”!

        Rail Car Fan

      • Fotaugrafee

        Shine it in YOUR eyes!!! Too bad we can’t gag you with one of them.

        You’d convict on ANYTHING that would harm a cop, eh? What a worthless scumbag you are.

    • Fotaugrafee

      Holy shit!! That better be a good goddamn light for $300-400!!!

  • Film The Police Always

    Mr. Dejesus you are perfectly legal to videotape the police along with their thug voices on it and there is nothing they can do about it. Call the attorney generals officer AFTER you go down to the Police Department with your camera on filing a complaint against the tough guy in that video. Take friends with you and everybody record. If you are in a PUBLIC place then you can record. Refuse to shut off your camera and make sure it’s going to the cloud. The only person that should talk is you. Everybody else just record. Make sure you notify the news and let them know what time you plan on going down to the department to file your complaint. I’m sure they will go down there for the story.

  • Tom Polen

    Their policy must be new because they were so COOL with it here… https://www.facebook.com/LancCityPD/posts/588091657915845

  • The Martian Manhunter

    If you want to leave a message they ask you what one plus three is. The correct answers are:
    Base Ten or higher thru base Five – 4
    Base Four – 10
    Base Three – 11
    Base Two – 100

    • John

      In base two and base three there is no 3, so the last two are incorrect since you cannot add 1 to 3 in the first place and be working in those systems.

  • Patrick Henry,The2nd

    Not surprised. This happened to me last year when I videod some Lancaster cops. They shined their lights on my camera, then they kept sending squad cars past me to harrass me. I’m going to give them a call.

  • Film The Police Always

    Mr. Dejesus check this out. Time to cash in buddy. Stand your ground whether in your yard or out front of the police station. Matter of fact, have your buddies film from a secure place and you stand in front of the police station and film them coming and going. Say nothing to them and just film. Call the news station and tell them what time you will be exercising your 1st amendment rights. http://pdnpulse.pdnonline.com/2012/06/police-intimidation-watch-mannie-garcia-files-500k-lawsuit-for-unlawful-arrest.html

  • Anonymous

    Just called and talked to someone … they tried to tell me there is gray area as to consent. I told him he needs to brush up on his privacy law.

    • Proud GrandPa

      The department is wrong and will correct itself. Add a lawsuit for motivation and see how camera-friendly the LEOs in Lancaster become. That’s the American Way… or peaceful problem resolution without violence.

      • Joseph Murray

        The people of Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Korea, Grenada, Serbia, Aphganistan, Iraq, Nicaragua, and a few dozen other countries might disagree…

  • hazy

    Repeat after me…You do not have an expectation of privacy in public.

    • Difdi

      …and if you did then so do I and looking at me in my yard makes you a Peeping Tom!

      • Fotaugrafee

        Orrrr, how is it that they’re allowed to record us with dash cams, but they don’t feel that extension of the same toward them is permissible?

  • Jbroyles

    As an avid PINAC reader and in general, a supporter of Law Enforcement Officers, I have a different take on this issue. The real culprits are the administrators of these departments. These LEO’s should be furious with their departments for not providing basic fundamental training on these constitutional rights. Especially one week after their very own department came under scrutiny. They are letting these guys hang out in the wind for no reason. I presume these agencies all have some kind of shift change or roll call. In most of these cities, the entire force could be trained in days with the proper directives from above. I firmly believe most of these officers think they are right. It’s up to their command staff to very clearly direct them as to what the law is. We all know, this isn’t rocket science. I’m sure given the choice these officers would choose not to become the subjects of national ridicule because their departments couldn’t take 10 minutes to educate them and help protect them from being subject to the onslaught that is more richly deserved by the brass.

    • Paul Sanders

      The Officers are responsible for knowing the Law! Ignorance is no excuse!

      • Jbroyles

        I won’t argue with that Paul. My point is that it seems common sense would prevail and police administrations would take easy steps to solve these problems. Most cops go to work and punch a clock and do what they’re told. All of us on here advocating for our rights are well aware of how simple this is. Most people, including cops, aren’t as passionate as us and do not pay attention. Clearly with all of these cops using almost universally the same 3 tools (wiretap, obstruction, disorderly conduct) they are getting their marching orders from somewhere. We are all clearly being let down by these cops. My point is that they are being let down by their supervisors as well and even worse, then being made scapegoats for the failures of their police administrations when the shit hits the fan. I think they should be pissed at their own command failures, not the people exerting their rights. I’m 100% on board with personal responsibility and you can be sure if you or I were cops, we would comport ourselves in accordance with the law. I have no problems with the police being in the well deserved spotlight they’ve created for themselves. I’d just like to see the problem solved because it would be so easy. Where is the integrity of these Chiefs and Sherrifs who should be standing up and apologizing for their lack of accountability.

        • Antonio Buehler

          You assume that cops will stop bullying if they’re told to stop bullying.

          • Jbroyles

            I think bully cops should be fired and charged. It would be a lot easier to accomplish if the departments could point to a sign in log or videotape of the officers recieving the training on the law and then violate. I also make a huge distinction between cops that are just stupid and ones that know the law but decide to use force to impose their will because they feel that they are above the law

          • Flashing Scotsman

            That story that seems to be making the rounds of LEOs, about the camera possibly concealing a gun, has to be coming from somewhere also. I can’t believe they all just simultaneously dreamed up that one.

          • Wrong For America

            Cops are trained to bully and intimidate at the police academy … but they don’t actually think it is “bullying”.

            They call it “controlling the situation” and the easiest way to do that is to come in like a storm-trooper and immediately shut-down any possible dissention.

            The reason the police academies teach this is for officer safety (supposedly). They believe that an officer in control is safer.

            Unfortunately the US Supreme Court has always sided with officer safety even when it trumps your Constitutional rights (like them frisking you for no reason when you haven’t done anything – that is called a “Terry Stop” and is sadly legal).

        • Fotaugrafee

          To make such an argument about “being let down by their admins”, one could say that about ANY job where the rules are involved.

          I work in the railroad business, and only ONE company I’ve worked for really stuck it to you if you deviated. If you went above & beyond to do the job by the rules, you got targeted…in all of them. The rules are written in blood, you follow them. You don’t do what suits you b/c you’re ignorant to learn the rule(s) or the reason they were enacted. And if you’re a officer or someone charged with enforcement of those rules, you should KNOW them prior to charging ANYONE with ANYTHING, and if you can’t make it stick / “hang” them over it, you let them go until you ARE able.

          And you don’t make shit up in the process, or change the rules (you are NOT a legislator!!) in the process just b/c it’s easier on you.

          And if you can’t do all of the above, you shouldn’t be a fucking cop (or any kind of enforcement / compliance officer).

    • Antonio Buehler

      Do you support the cops who cross the thin blue line and arrest or kill the cops they see committing crimes against the people? Oh wait, that never happens.

      • Jbroyles

        I would completely support that and I agree it never happens. I don’t think cops are above the law. I think many, many of the cops seen in these videos should be charged and jailed. I just believe that some of these cops believe they are enforcing the law and my point is that THEY should be mad at their own command and not people like Paul for videotaping them.

    • Difdi

      A police officer receives the same basic training all citizens do, K-12. They have the Academy on top of it and often at least 2 years of college. A police officer is usually MORE educated in the law, and never LESS educated than a private citizen.

      I learned about the Constitution in great detail in 7th grade and earlier years of my education touched on it. Are you saying police officers, who are more educated and trained in the law than I am know less about it than I am expected to?

      • Jbroyles

        Well clearly from these videos, these police officers know less about the law than the average citizens on these boards. I also studied the constitution in seventh grade and I assure you, we didn’t cover videotaping the police. I think you are all missing my point. While my entire life I have been generally pro-Leo, I am one of you, not one of them. I just think that people who are not advocates and activists in general don’t know their rights. People like Carlos and Jeff Gray and You and Antonio and even me in my everyday life do a great job getting the word out but it still remains true that the vast majority of the public would believe a police officer if he told them it was illegal to record. I would submit that there are two different kinds of cops in these videos, the ones who believe it is illegal to record the police and the bullies who know it is not illegal but will lie, coerce, threaten and ultimately use force to impose their will. Clearly both groups are dangerous, but the second group is far worse and should be fired and jailed while the first group could probably be retrained.

        • dedhead66

          As the videographer stated, If the LEO really believed it is illegal to record the cop’s voice, then the cop would have arrested him. Claiming the recording is illegal is just the cop’s way of attempting to harass Paul, the videographer.

    • Film The Police Always

      …”Especially one week after their very own department came under
      scrutiny. They are letting these guys hang out in the wind for no
      reason. I presume these agencies all have some kind of shift change or
      roll call. In most of these cities, the entire force could be trained in
      days with the proper directives from above”…

      This is the great thing about Mr. Dejesus videotaping these encounters. It proves exactly what you are saying if he ever has to file a Color Of Law charge against these thugs with the FBI. False arrest and fabrication will be the charge for trying to get even with him. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/color_of_law

      Even if these higher ups give training to these guy’s, there’s still a whole lot of them that will thumb their noses to that training and will continue to violate the peoples rights. I’ll say this, like someone said on another forum about this, I would most definitely set the police up on this one. I’d gather my buddies with cameras, and would have some with me, and some at a distance videotaping these thugs assaulting them. Matter of fact, you know they will start driving by his house so hang right there and record as they go by. Make it obvious. Have friends on each side of the road, and have some hidden in the windows. Go get them Mr. Dejesus. All’s you say is, “You are a public official, and you have NO expectation of privacy so I will continue exercising my 1st amendment rights GUARANTEED by the United States Constitution. I’m now invoking my 5th amendment rights and need you to stop asking me question. I will no longer answer your questions and I’m warning you that anymore harassment by you will be see by a jury of my peers. You have been warned”. End of story. ALWAYS FILM THE POLICE!

      • Proud GrandPa

        if these higher ups give training to these guy’s, there’s still a whole lot of them that will thumb their noses to that training
        .
        Proud GrandPa says its time to bust the public employees union for making it hard to fire bad gov’t employees.

        • Flashing Scotsman

          If the department does what’s right, trains the officers in the law, and the officers STILL abuse the citizens, the officers MUST be held liable personally.

          • Fotaugrafee

            Agreed, and no court in the land should be able to give them ANY kind of immunity.

    • Wrong For America

      The problem is that a large percentage of cops are simply thugs-with-badges that use intimidation and threats of arrest in their daily routine. They use “officer safety” and a catch-all excuse to dominate and control any and every situation. They are themselves breaking the very law that they are sworn to uphold … but as with most laws the cops seem to be exempt. These bad cops make themselves, their fellow officers and their department look ridiculous and incompetent.

    • Fotaugrafee

      Why would they be outraged and/or furious at the shortcomings of their admins? If anything, it gives them a false authority in which to throw their weight around, like we know so many cops LOVE to do. You’d be taking away a bargaining chip for them, even though it’s illegal & scummy, they’re perfectly happy in their ignorance of the matter.

  • paschn

    Well, hell. Of course it’s contempt of cop! It’s contempt of those the filth-in-Blue are running errands for and protecting from the righteous rage of the AmeriKan People. They are most certainly the Neo-Judas Class of traitors. The type of filth drawn to a job that defends those who are bringing down their very own nation must, w/o a doubt have the same DNA in their veins as the swine Judas who threw himself off a cliff with a rope around his neck shortly after betraying the Christ. So, what are you waiting for sycophants? We’ll explain in detail what you did to your children, great detail. Foul swine, treachery of your ilk would need to pull yourselves UP to reach equal status of the Gestapo.

  • Antonio Buehler

    It’s as if these coward cops want to prove to us how stupid they are.

    • Fotaugrafee

      Don’t confuse stupidity with ignorance, Antonio. Stupidity can be excused, ignorance should not.

  • David

    are you a public servant performing a duty? (questions deflect surety in ANY matter).
    always ask THEM the questions.

    • David

      AND i might add, no ONE has to by LAW ever ANSWER THERE QUESTION(S).

  • Difdi

    The police are not exempted from Peeping Tom statutes. If the officer has an expectation of privacy on a public street then a private citizen does too.

    Spying on people when they have an expectation of privacy invokes Peeping Tom laws.

    • Wrong For America

      An officer has no expectation of privacy while on duty. Courts have repeatedly ruled on this.

      • Difdi

        Perhaps you could read what I wrote before replying? It reduces the chance you end up arguing with someone by agreeing with everything they said.

        • Wrong For America

          Perhaps you could learn how to better form your sentences. ;)

          • Difdi

            You apparently skipped over the first sentence in my post. It has a very different meaning if you only read the second sentence. Go read all of it, it’s not rocket science.

  • Tijuana Joe

    They don’t want you audiotaping because with audio way you will capture their

    stupid lies… like the one that “audiotaping without consent is a crime.”
    It’s that simple.

    • Fotaugrafee

      Yeah, but sadly enough, general civilians believe that they’re entitled to the same “privacy” in public spaces, too.

  • Proud GrandPa

    Yes, finally a story on PINAC which actually concerns a violation of the right to photograph law enforcement. Good work.
    .
    Here is how this will be resolved. The department will admit its policy against recording police is unlawful and so educate its employees. There will be an apology and a cash settlement, after which the Lancaster Police Department will join the rest of the nation’s law enforcment agencies in respecting photographer’s rights.
    .
    End of story…at least in Lancaster.
    .

    • Wrong For America

      Nope – LPD will pretend that it didn’t happen – Standard Operating Procedure.

      You would have to either file a complaint or a lawsuit to get an official response.

    • Rail Car Fan

      Give me a break… Get real!

      It sure sounds/looks like you’re living in your own little Utopian world, while wearing Rose colored glasses.

      Rail Car Fan

    • Fotaugrafee

      That easy-peasy, eh? LOL….naive old man.

  • Flashing Scotsman

    A quick stroll through the comments in their FB page is fun. They are being OVERRAN by comments and questions about this.

  • stk33

    I wonder if it’s even necessary to engage in discussion, whether it’s legal or not. As Dejesus said himself in the video, the cop sure knows it is, otherwise he would have arrested him at once without any discussion.

    “I hope you are not recording my voice”
    “I sure do record it” (or: “no comment” – maybe even better)
    “It’s illegal”
    “Arrest me then”.

    Guess that would be end of discussion. In fact I had a similar conversation once, where to the cop’s informing me that XYZ is illegal, I simply offered to arrest me. His answer was “have a nice day”.

    Anything and everything they say is nothing but fishing expedition. They couldn’t care less about legal discussion, much less with the citizens whom they perceive as enemies and potential terrorists, and street encounters are not the place for them to learn the law anyway.

    • Fotaugrafee

      I’m pretty sure “arrest me” is ill-advised, too. Try rephrasing how you tell them to do so in the future, especially if you’re going to such lengths of recording it. Such as…

      “Officer, if what I’m doing is illegal, you would / could have arrested me by now. Take your scare tactics & intimidation to someone who doesn’t know their rights, thank you.”

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