January 13th, 2014

Aspiring Deputy Coming Under Fire for Vowing to Beat Citizens for the “Sheer Joy of It” (Updated III) 494

By Carlos Miller

Redding

 

On one hand, Darren Redding has everything it takes to become a law enforcement officer. He is aggressive, has a military background and doesn’t think too highly of citizens expressing their First Amendment rights.

But on the other hand, he hasn’t learned to disguise that contempt with a veneer of “safety” as many experienced cops have learned to do when justifying their aggressive acts.

Because of that, his aspiring law enforcement career may come to an end before it even starts.

Nah, probably not. Just because he made threats on Facebook against Cop Block activists, unleashing a tirade of complaints against him to his future employer, the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office, doesn’t mean they won’t hire him.

But it does mean we will be able to track his career once he does get hired because judging by his comment, which is reposted below, he doesn’t exactly think things through, considering he had no qualms posting it under his real name.

Your page is pathetic and offensive. The pictures you post and the comments you make seem like you’re trying to incriminate and deface ALL police officers, when 99% of them are great at what they do, it’s the 1% you should be posting about, not the vast majority you pathetic, ignorant, liberal pussy.

You’re just like all the liberals striving for gun control because the actions of a few, insane individuals are fucking it up for the other 99% of gun owners who are responsible with their weapons.

Or let me put it into perspective for a drug using, liberal, hippy pussy like yourself: 99% of people who smoke pot do it responsibly and safely, but 1% of the people who use participate in violent crime, or crash their cars when theyre high and kill others or themselves, but I don’t see you posting about how ALL pot smokers should be punished.

If you were a law abiding citizen you wouldn’t have any problem with 5-0, but something tells me you were probably being a jackass towards a police officer and you got what was coming to you, and that inspired you to make a page giving a bad name to all law enforcement.

You might as well bad mouth the military and veterans like myself because of those marine scout snipers that pissed on some dead Taliban a few years back. According to your logic that means ALL active duty and veterans are heinous heathens right?

You’re a fucking bitch and I hope some cop beats your ass next time you’re “protesting” or filming them or whatever. In fact I’m about to start the training academy for the washoe county sheriffs dept in reno, Nevada and I can’t wait to deal with punk ass bitches like you. I would beat your fucking liberal ass just for the sheer joy of it.

Suck my fucking dick you waste of breathable air, you should have been aborted. But I guess your mother was a dumb ass waste of life like you. You’re the reason that there’s no hope for the human race, I can’t believe people like you exist, if I had my way, there would be another holocaust with camps and gas chambers full of fucking cunt scabs like you.

I hope you die”

His comment comes across more as a rant than a direct threat, but we’ve seen several cases of citizens ranting on Facebook, only to be arrested. In fact, just last week, a Photography is Not a Crime reader received a visit from the secret service after he stated in the comments section that he would like see President Obama assassinated.

After talking to him for a few minutes, they determined he had only been ranting and had no plans to follow through on his wishes.

But now it’s up to the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office to see if they will give Redding a chance to follow through on his wishes.

UPDATE: Redding sent the following messages to Cop Block, claiming it was a friend who made the comment, not him, pleading for them to remove the post, but now it’s being picked up by other websites.

I respectfully ask that you remove this post. Like i said in the message i just sent to you, i did not post this. i’m not exactly sure who did because i had several people at my house last night. I understand that the content of the post was un called for and very abusive, but now i am being harassed because of it. your followers have sent me death threats of their own, and have called the local law enforcement authorities on me. i was almost arrested today on suspicion of being a terrorist. your followers have been harassing my family members and my friends.

Like i said, what was said in that message was verbally abusive and on behalf of whoever wrote it, i apologize. but this has gone too far and im not just being harassed over the internet, the police are showing up at my door.

So i ask you again, respectfully, to please remove this post.

Thank you, Darren

This has gone too far. One of your followers is now posting my address for everyone to see. I really need you to delete his comment and this entire post please.

UPDATE II: The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office is claiming that Redding’s Facebook account was hacked, so it looks as if he’ll become a deputy after all.

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UPDATE III: The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office sent an email to Photography is Not a Crime, stating that at no time was it considering hiring Redding.

The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office would like to clarify that Mr. Redding is not a Deputy Recruit nor has he been considered for employment with our agency.

“The comments in this post are deplorable and not in keeping with the culture of the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office,” said Sheriff Mike Haley.

The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office is committed to providing the highest quality police service and protection to our community and we pride ourselves on hiring employees that embrace our mission to build public trust by fostering an environment of honesty, trust, and mutual respect.

We would appreciate it if you would correct your article to reflect that Mr. Redding is not a Deputy recruit for our agency.

If you need further information or have questions, please contact me at your earliest convenience.

Thank you and regards,

Tami Cummings

Community Relations, WCSO


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  • Reno CCW

    Darren Redding sounds like a real charmer. I only hope that he gets just as much as he plans to give.

    • inquisitor

      I suggest he snuggle up often with the Kevlar with his style of public relations.

  • Fascist Slayer

    I don’t understand what the problem is with what he said, and I don’t understand what everyone is crying is about? Massive surveillance of an entire nation and beyond, secret prisons, secret courts, secret laws, secret judges, secret police, secret interpretation
    of laws, secret list, secret hearings, secret evidence, secret wars, militarization of local police forces, declaration of martial law for unarmed suspects, the largest prison population on earth,
    internal spy drones, millions of internal domestic spies, internal checkpoints, street lamp post that listen in on conversations, mysterious boxes affixed to power polls doing only God knows what, indefinite detention without charge or trial under NDAA, DHS hording billions of rounds of Ammo, TSA deployed onto public streets, propaganda media, a call for the arrest of journalist, children deemed and labeled terrorist for playing with certain toys, citizens being
    arrested, jailed and deemed suspected terrorist for openly filming law enforcement in public. citizens being detained and taken to area hospitals and given 8 cavity exams, X-Ray’s and Colonoscopies for minor traffic violations, Constitutional Free Zones, Free Speech Zones, votes being counted in dollars, not ballots, eugenics programs, endless wars, etc, etc,
    etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. And now Americans are shocked and disturbed that military soldiers and law enforcement are calling to have citizens exterminated in ovens & gas chambers?? Really America? Really?? What do people expect in a Fascist nation,
    rainbows made out of Skittles?

    • inquisitor

      Yes, but do you feel safe yet?

      • Fascist Slayer

        Can I move in with you?

        • inquisitor

          HAHAHAHAHA……eh……no.

          • Fascist Slayer

            Please?

          • inquisitor

            Sorry bubba. No dice…now git!!
            (racks shotgun)

        • RavenWolf_LDR

          Before you can ask me, in the great words of my favorite cat.

      • Will

        Please elaborate on what you learned in 1998 and whats going to happen here.

      • RavenWolf_LDR

        I’m with ya on what’s gonna happen. I already have my deep woods, self-sufficient home. With all that I need including a blacksmith shop. I guess great minds think alike.

        • Funtimes

          You need to create a township of like minded, skilled individuals who can operate using an ad hoc system of native currency (to the township) so you can trade effectively without being reliant on any federal institution or tax system with the labor.

          • Difdi

            Any community large enough to be self-supporting in the long term is big enough to be invaded and conquered. Though the conquerors will likely call themselves law enforcement, not conquerors.

          • RavenWolf_LDR

            Not necessarily true, Difdi. The US state of Alaska is the least populated state and most of it is consider uninhabitable by the government. Same with the Yukon Territory and Northwest Territory of Canada. Off the grid communities do exist in these area for those strong enough and brave enough to deal with the conditions. They are large and very sparsely populated. Most villages in these place belong to Inuit (Eskimo) people with some non-native settlements. These would be the ideal areas for what Funtimes has suggested.

          • RavenWolf_LDR

            Would love to start an off-grid township, but nowhere in the lower 48. All lower 48 states and Hawaii are consider inhabitable. My husband and I love roughing it and have learned to live off-grid to the point of being able to make our own electricity if needs be. The ideal areas for what you are talking about would be places such as Alaska in the US or the Yukon and Northwest Territories in Canada. They are consider mostly uninhabitable to uninhabitable depending on where you set this up. For a township to exist in these areas, you would need a group of tough people who know how to live of the land, make their own creature comforts, not mind living miles (perhaps 100s of miles) from civilization, not mind extreme weather conditions (as winters can get rough), hunt and grow your own food, and be able set to mutually set boundaries, trade, and rules that all can live by with a group elected council of elders that is changed very frequently. If your interested in trying to set something like this up, then get a hold of me at ecofriendlycountrygirl@gmail.com

        • Herbert Napp

          You’re fortunate enough to have built up a sizable income enough to do that. Some of us are young and just started working and can’t even fathom something like this. I really hate the finger wagging I get from preppers who have money to burn. I really don’t want to hear about how cheap it WASN’T either. God. Done venting, hope you don’t take offense.

          • inquisitor

            I was homeless at age 13 for an entire year.
            Enough of the poverty consciousness.

          • RavenWolf_LDR

            No offense taken. I would never tell how cheap it wasn’t because it was cheap as shit. My prepper place is in the least populated state in the US. so they paid me to move there and didn’t even ask my exact residence. They didn’t even ask if I live there full-time or part-time. Just asked that I get a state I.D. which I used a rental place for. Then the state started to pay me for living there. The state is called Alaska. After I found and made a homemade map of my deep woods location, my husband and I built the place with what we had. Almost no money at all. You just got to be use to living off the grid, hunting for your own food, know how far the nearest Inuit village is for trading, not mind extreme weather conditions, and not mind complete darkness for 6 months out of the year. Also helps to have a pilot’s license too. Canada has a lot of places like that too in the Yukon Territory and The Northwest Territory. Just move in and settle in the middle of nowhere away from everyone.

  • Jeff D

    Sounds just like the kind of Gestapo a-hole who will be willing to implement NDAA for his masters under the guise of ” I’m just following orders ” – what a testosterone laden neanderthal – just what we need to “protect and serve”

    • Difdi

      Is it any wonder the dark side gets so many converts? The light side only has tofu…

  • Alma Lovell

    IMO this isn’t something PINAC should even be writing an article about. This guys isn’t a police officer, he isn’t in the academy and there is no evidence whatsoever of any illegal actions by him.
    At this point he is simply a private citizen expressing his 1st Amendment rights.
    I sincerely hope PINAC isn’t going down the path of “liberal media” who seeks to destroy others based on disagreeable things they say.
    There are currently hundreds of videos out there on Youtube right now of police abusing photographer rights. Do a story on one of those videos. Not this type of garbage “reporting”.

    • ARtP

      It’s lovely when future cops display this mindset, “You’re a fucking bitch and I hope some cop beats your ass next time you’re “protesting” or filming them or whatever.”

    • Brandon Ellis

      The thing about dictating what others want to write on the internet is that it doesn’t work, at all. If you don’t like the content, don’t read it, nobody’s got a gun to your head.

      • inquisitor

        …except the cops should you open carry while fishing.

        • Daniel

          Actually, fishing is one of the few times I do carry. Damn city people come here on weekends and act like crazed fools.

        • Rail Car Fan

          That’s in Florida… right..!!..?

          Rail Car Fan

    • Unity Nowe

      Alma, yes, let’s just wait until he gets hired, goes insane on someone, kills them, and then, IF the victim is lucky enough that it was all caught on film, report it, eh? An ounce of prevention , I say !

    • inquisitor

      It is very relevant when you consider the militarization of the police and where today’s cops are coming from…mentally. Because there is going to be more and more of them out there. Gives people a good profile into the dark recesses of the highly disturbed psychopathic mind that you will be phoning to come over to your house and “help” you after you dial 911. Only to wonder why, as a victim of a home robbery, your family is now lying dead on your living room floor.

      • Will

        They join the US military when theyre young and idealistic, they go overseas, learn to murder, rape, harass, plant false evidence, protect drug cartels, etc. then they get brain injuries/damage and are shipped back home, where they then become police officers, using every terrorist tactic they learned in Iraq or Afghanistan against the American People.

        The United States military and police forces are the largest terrorist recruitment and training programs on the face of the Earth.

    • jcfromnj

      I think that PINAC needs to determine that this is in fact genuine. IF it is, it’s Party Time !

    • Paul Kisling

      That is right. Lets wait until he actually does something violent before we do anything. That always helps. Oh wait that is what the cops did in Castle Rock V Gonzalez.!!!!!!

    • Will

      Threatening to violently assault someone IS an illegal action. And someone training to be a cop would know this, which means he willingly and flagrantly broke the law, and planned on using government power and resources to assault innocent people in the future.

    • Fotaugrafee

      Think of it as preventative maintenance. First Amendment rights are one thing, but when you express beliefs like this guy just did, you have NO RIGHT being a cop.

    • JdL

      IMO this isn’t something PINAC should even be writing an article about.

      Who the heck are you to make pronouncements about what PINAC “should” be writing an article about? Send us a link to YOUR blog, where YOU can make the rules, eh?

      Carlos, thanks for including this story on your site.

  • Irony_Tag

    It certainly doesn’t seem look like he has the temperament to be a police officer, or any public facing position.

  • bobby day

    Doesn’t look like the Washoe County Sheriff’s FB page has been updated in several years. I’d look into contacting them through their official website:

    http://www.washoesheriff.com/

  • Josef Roesler

    While this guy is obviously out of control and has no idea how to act maturely and with reason, and does not belong in the police force, I agree with the point he is trying to make. I believe the owner of PINAC is a cop-hater and is trying to smear all of law enforcement and loves fomenting an environment of hate toward the police within the citizenry. He does post many damning videos that show cops breaking the law, and I applaud him for that, but he has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones. He has no interest showing any cops in a good light when they actually take their oath seriously. He can’t do that because that would confuse his cop-hating following.

    • Brandon Ellis

      You assume too much and think way too little.

      • Josef Roesler

        Nothing was assumed little girl. Is that all you had to contribute?

        • Adolph Schumer

          If it was she hit the nail on the head, little boy.

          • Josef Roesler

            What is it she nailed? What did I assume? Everything I said’s been documented.

          • Brandon Ellis

            No, what you ranted about was your own biased opinion. The validity of your entire argument isn’t based on facts, so you are assuming. Childish insults are a good indicator of how weak your position is. You wouldn’t happen to be a cop would you? It would explain a lot.

          • Josef Roesler

            It was my opinion, which is based on my factual experience that you obviously aren’t aware of. There were no childish insults in my OP, however, you did reply to me derogatorily, to which I replied in kind.Your opinion as well, of course.

          • Brandon Ellis

            A factual opinion, eh? Learn something new every day, I suppose. You don’t just get to type something and make it so. You invite people to tell you to use your brain more often when you do foolish things, like accusing a journalist writing a blog about police accountability of being a cop hater just trying to rouse his cop-hating following.

          • Josef Roesler

            An opinion can’t be based on fact, you say…Good day.

          • Paul Kisling

            So what if the owner of Pinac is cop hating?? He has that right if he wants to.
            He has broken NO LAWS!
            The police on the other hand are being filmed BREAKING THE LAW!

            That is the cool thing about America.
            You can hate someone and not break the law.
            However you cannot be a cop and break the law. Sorry boys.

          • Josef Roesler

            You’re correct.

          • pinbalwyz

            It’s not enough to merely OBEY Big Brother…one must LOVE Big Brother.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

        • nick

          You assumed that the person was talking to PINAC, when he was talking to Cop Block.

          • Josef Roesler

            Oh, are we not on the PINAC website right now? I sure thought we were when I made that comment referring to the article posted on the PINAC website. Sorry.

          • nick

            You said “this guy” and “the point he is trying to make.” That makes it clear you’re talking about Redding. The point Redding is trying to make doesn’t refer to Carlos at PINAC.

          • Josef Roesler

            Dude, you have comprehension problems. Two different things there. I didn’t say anything about Redding referencing PINAC.

          • elizabee

            “I agree with the point he is trying to make. <–(Redding) I believe the owner of PINAC (Carlos) is a cop-hater and is trying to smear all of law enforcement" …your words. I guess it is true, cops really are that damn dumb.

          • Josef Roesler

            You’re calling someone dumb when you can’t understand what I wrote. Two different things there. One thing’s about a guy who wrote a rant. The other thing is about a guy who runs a similar website to the one the other guy ranted on. Two different things. Stop trying to insult someone with your intelligence when you have none.

          • Nam Marine

            You sound like a dip shit to me pal!

        • Brad Wesley

          List of assumptions:

          A. “The owner of PINAC is a cop-hater”
          B. “Loves fomenting an environment of hate toward the police”
          C. “Has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones”

          • Josef Roesler

            List of opinions:

            A. “The owner of PINAC is a cop-hater”
            B. “Loves fomenting an environment of hate toward the police”
            C. “Has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones”

            You assume my opinions are assumptions.

    • Trace Morris

      well i can whole heartedly say that as an american citizen,alot of cops have this mindset.it is ridiculous and i actually messaged mr redding and told him what i thought of him,as well as what i thought of the police force and the military as a whole.we all have our right to an opinion.

      • Josef Roesler

        You are correct, we do have a right to our opinion. Our employers also have the right to not hire or fire us for this type of behavior. This guy is not police material. But most are not like this.

        • Patrick Henry,The2nd

          Most aren’t, but many are. And even worse, the good ones don’t stop the bad ones.

          Once A) fellow cops stop them and arrest them, and B) cops go to jail for crimes, cops will be better respected.

          Until then, they have to deal with the hate.

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, that has nothing to do with my OP.

            But you must have missed the many articles recently of cops being busted (by cops) for these things. I know, it doesn’t matter, they are still all wrong in your eyes.

        • Paul Kisling

          Unfortunately the ‘most’ protect the ‘least’ in the police world. That makes them dirtier than the ‘least’.

          • Josef Roesler

            You do have the right to that opinion.

        • Will

          And most drug users are not violent criminals. Neither are most black men. Neither are most gun-owners. But theyre ALL treated like they are. BY COPS.

          Remember the Golden Rule buddy! Were all just treating cops the same way they treat us citizens.

          • Josef Roesler

            Well, when you go to work, do you worry that every time you talk to someone they may try to kill you? Maybe when all the criminals follow the Golden Rule, cops will too.

          • pinbalwyz

            The best (overall) protection a cop can have is the support of their community. But, when they treat their neighbors as the ‘enemy’, they’ll be perceived as the enemy in turn. If cops generalize, people will generalize about them. It’s a fundamental quid pro quo.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            I suppose when part of a cop’s job description no longer includes”getting murdered.” they might stop seeing the people they work for as the enemy. If I knew one person I meet today might murder me, it’s kind of stupid to think I won’t generalize for the rest of the day.

          • anon

            The golden rule is to treat other people the way that you want to be treated. Treating other people the way they treat you is called revenge.

        • twolf1920

          I agree. Here’s a true story: A bunch if us are speeding on our motorcycles last year, and we were pulled over by a local sheriff…. I mean we were SPEEDING. I belong to a motorcycle club. Long story short, the cop ended up coming on several of our club rides later that year. The fact is most are just people like you or me that have a job to do. But there are some that need to be removed from their job because they are menaces!

        • Nam Marine

          Says you?

    • Carlos_Miller

      Josef, when the good cops start exposing the bad cops, I’ll be one of the first reporters on it.

      • Josef Roesler

        We’ve already been through that, you have no interest in working with the good cops on this. I’ve tried. You refused. You are merely a hate-monger.

        • Carlos_Miller

          Josef, I appreciate you, as a cop, coming in here and voicing your opinions. And I’ll always welcome you here.

          But you have to admit, you are trying to debate me as a biased cop.

          That’s understandable but it also does not allow you to see me as anything more than a “cop hater” because I’m not posting enough positive stories.

          I’m not a cop hater but I am pretty jaded because of my personal experiences as well as the stories that come across my desk everyday.

          • Josef Roesler

            I’m not a biased cop. I’m a Constitutionalist who happens to be a law abiding cop. I’m also embarrassed by the behavior of these jackholes you report on. Dirty cops do me no good. And I do what I can to make change in the system, not merely by sensationalism.

            I have officers in my own department who have some of this misguided dumbass mentality. I do what I can to educate them. I do what I can to educate their bosses.

          • Carlos_Miller

            Fair enough, Josef, You’re doing your thing. I’m doing my thing.

            You might accuse me of “sensationalism,” but everything I write is factual.

            Much more than I can say for a huge portion of arrest reports written by police.

          • Josef Roesler

            You might remember that I didn’t accuse you of sensationalism, I was referring to the photographers who post and don’t act. I understand you’re just passing it along. In my eyes, you’re doing more than the original photographer.

          • Carlos_Miller

            It boils down to this. We are going through a transition in society where citizens are more empowered than ever because of cameras and the internet, and they are using that power to weed out the bad cops or in this case, the potentially bad future cops.

            As a cop, the only you can really do is remain true to your oath and try to advise fellow cops to do the same.

            Those that do remain true to their oath have nothing to worry about. Those that don’t have nobody to blame but themselves once they are exposed.

            The transition has just begun and it’s gaining way too much momentum for you or any other cop to stop it by simply accusing us of being “cop haters,” which used to work before these videos opened the eyes of many Americans.

            What’s happening now, Josef, is that Americans who used to have tons of respect for police have lost that respect, not because of what I write, but because of the videos I post, which allows them to see things for themselves.

            These same Americans are picking up their cameras and walking into city halls and police departments and demanding transparency and accountability.

            And that’s just going to continue happening until police become immune to our cameras. But that’s going to take years, if it ever happens.

          • Josef Roesler

            I didn’t call you cop-haters to get you to stop. I’m glad you’re doing it. Wasn’t my point. Point is, cop-haters don’t make change, they just yell a lot and throw insults around if you say something they don’t like. Real mature. Not very helpful when you’re trying to change government.

          • inquisitor

            I disagree with your assessment and I support free speech.

          • Josef Roesler

            Free speech does not require one to be a dick.

          • Elliott Whitlow

            That depends on your definition of “being a dick”.. Refusing to follow unlawful orders? Refusing to identify when not required? Refusing to move 2 blocks away? What?
            I tend to get “unpleasant” when I am ORDERED to do something that I cannot be ordered to do. That is about the quickest way to get me to go from pleasant to unpleasant. Are there good cops, sure there are but its hard to accept they are the majority. You should also keep in mind that I count cops who see inappropriate behavior and do nothing about it as bad cops.

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, I don’t blame you, but that had nothing to do with my comment.

          • lberns

            After witnessing the slow roll out of the police state and the evil committed in the name of the “law” over the last 20 years, I never give costumed state mercenary fuckers the benefit of the doubt anymore, Josef.

          • Josef Roesler

            And all the more reason they’re so aggressive when they get out of the car. They are much more aware of the cop hating mentality they have to deal with now. It’s escalating on both sides. That doesn’t make it right.

          • lberns

            Don’t make excuses, jackboot. No one is putting a gun to their heads to be abusive thugs.

          • Josef Roesler

            I didn’t make any excuse. I gave you a reason. In your cop-hating selective reading, you neglected to understand I said it was not right.

          • lberns

            It’s not hate, it is zero respect. I have no respect for any organization who’s only “authority” is achieved via the barrel of a gun. You are no more legitimate than that legal fiction you work for. I gave up the superstitious belief that anyone has the legitimate right and authority to rule anyone just like I gave up the superstitious belief in Santa Claus. To me, you are nothing more than a hire mercenary for the most violent gang of thugs on the planet. There is nothing about what you do for a living, or believe, that I even remotely respect.

          • Josef Roesler

            Good thing I don’t need your respect. Sounds like hate to me though. You sound very angry. Hope you can control yourself if you ever have to deal with cops in person.

          • inquisitor

            More copspeak.

            Got ID?

          • lberns

            No, I hate bullies, you worthless fucking parasite.

            BTW – A couple more of your colleagues have gotten away with murder yet again (surprise, surprise):

            http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/01/13/fullerton-cops-found-guilty-beating-death-homeless-mentally-ill-man/

          • Josef Roesler

            And there it is. Insults. You don’t like what someone else has to say, you just turn into a caveman. I’ve done you no harm and championed your cause, yet you curse and insult me. Fine example.

          • lberns

            Your “service” is provided via the barrel of a gun. If I don’t want your “service” and I refuse to pay for it, you will come, with your gun, to throw me into a cage. If I resist, you will shoot me. In my book, that makes you a fucking parasite that cannot be trusted, ever. Want to be a champion for the “cause?” Quit!

            Message to Police – Josie Outlaw

          • Josef Roesler

            OK video. She seems to be confusing immoral orders and illegal orders. What constitutes immoral orders is based on someone’s opinion, not on the law. It’s not up to a some hippie to tell a cop what laws he thinks should be enforced because of the hippie’s morals.

            There’s two options for people like you since you hate the system so much here. Find a new country that you think treats you better or start a revolution. But you haven’t done either, have you? You just like to rant on cop-hating websites. Maybe you should kick off your revolution by storming a police station and seeing how many you can take out? Or you can just keep insulting me. On a forum.

          • lberns

            WOOOSH! It comes as no surprise that the whole point of the vid went right over your stupid fascist pointy head. Feel free to start crushing skulls now.

            And mother fuck you and your “love it or leave it” logical fallacy.

          • Josef Roesler

            Lovely.

          • pinbalwyz

            Exactly. Why would anyone who loves America leave it? Let those who would pervert it leave–NOW!
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • pinbalwyz

            Grrrr! And it isn’t up to some half baked poorly trained viciously violent cop (4 months?) who has never read/understood the Constitution (or their oath to uphold it) to pound a citizen into the pavement for petitioning their government!…or photographing them doing so!
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            No, it’s not. What’s that got to do with what I said? Grr.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, if you’re a hog being transported to the slaughterhouse, all butchers look alike. Do we talk of ‘good’ Nazis vs. ‘bad’ Nazis? At some tipping point, all Nazis become hated. Trying to persuade a Jew you, et al, are one of the ‘good’ Nazis is comical…or tragic–take your pick.
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          • Josef Roesler

            I’ve already answered you on this subject several times and I really have no idea why chose this message to reply to as your reply makes no sense in the context.. Are you just randomly replying to me with the same message??

          • Nam Marine

            No you don’t ! You would love a confrontation !

          • pinbalwyz

            Cops who cannot rise above the current antipathy many citizens feel toward them cannot be effective LEO’s.

            It’s like Ben Franklin said, “When the people are afraid of the government…that’s tyranny. When the government is afraid of the people…that’s liberty!”
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          • Josef Roesler

            Antipathy is not violence. You might have to deal with antipathy at work, cops have to deal with violence. And people like Iberns are a real threat. A cop who doesn’t realize that many of the people he works for want to kill him is an ineffective LEO. What did Franklin say about cop killers?

          • pinbalwyz

            Franklin spoke in more general terms such as his famous, “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it!” Franklin worried as much about the corruption in the people as the government. My personal experience confirms he was onto something important.
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          • Josef Roesler

            So again, you’re preaching, but not about what you replied to…

          • Chris Olin

            I know this response is a little late, but I just saw your response and I felt like replying to it.

            Police officers have a job to do and I’m fully aware that the first amendment makes it difficult for them to do it. It’s a Catch 22 giving up some of your First Amendment rights when an officer unlawfully orders you to identify yourself or move two blocks away.

            I weigh each situation individually. Yes, an officer shouldn’t lie and expect me to give up one of my First Amendment rights, but at the same time, by doing so, I could be assisting them in investigating a serious crime that would otherwise take them longer to investigate because I refuse to give up my rights.

            Personally, I believe the rights were written into the Constitution with good intentions. The word “right” gives each individual the ability to relinquish that right if they deem it necessary. The problem is that it seems the majority of law enforcement officers intimidate people into giving up that right instead of letting of make that judgement call for themselves.

          • Elliott Whitlow

            The first amendment does not make it hard, please specify how that makes it hard?

            It isn’t a catch 22, you have rights they have powers, rights trump powers in all cases except for the noted exception, PERIOD.

            I don’t give up rights, I might be willing in SOME cases to back up some, but not far and I will ABSOLUTELY not back up any further than ANY other bystander without a camera.

            Now, its simple, I will provide the video to ANYONE who *asks*, but they can have a COPY, I will retain the device and the original.

            Now, your last paragraph is largely true, if I chose to bend some I will make that decision myself. I will not be bullied into it.

          • inquisitor

            Being a cop does not require one to be a dick.

            Oh…wait a minute…strike that.

          • Josef Roesler

            I thought you said you were leaving…but yes, cops don’t have to be dicks. I agree with you.

          • inquisitor

            I thought you said you would no longer deal with me.
            But you didn’t uphold that.
            So…

          • Josef Roesler

            See, here’s an example of the mentality of the cop haters, you can’t win with them. You ignore their insults, they say they’ll stop trolling you, you agree with them, they still got issues.

            So your statement you were going to stop trolling me was a test to see if you could bait me into another reply? Clever. You win.

          • inquisitor

            Bad cops still out there, more arriving, militarized police state growing, middle class dissipating, economy purposefully being shut down…no one wins…we all lose

          • Josef Roesler

            All true.

            Be vocal about it to the police administrators. Vote out the radical left and the RINOs.

          • twolf1920

            I served in the USAF Pre Gulf War as a Law Enforcement Specialist, and can say with all honesty, that the majority of the men and women I served with cared about being professional on and off their jobs. Most treated the other men and women they encountered with respect and courtesy. However, there were some who I believe if they didn’t have badges, would have been criminals.

          • Josef Roesler

            It’s always been said there’s a fine line between criminals and cops. It’s becoming blurred, unfortunately.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, finally!–an opinion I can unreservedly support.
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          • pinbalwyz

            Many cops are attracted to dealing with criminal behavior, but didn’t have the chutzpah to join a ‘gang’. So, they joined their local police force–a gang with bigger sticks, its own ‘colors’, and better funded. But, it’s the thrill of the fight that got them hooked–like all gangsters.
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          • Chris McKenna

            Nope. But is sure allows for it.

          • Josef Roesler

            As the old saying goes, just because you can suck a dick, doesn’t mean you should.

          • Chris McKenna

            That certainly elevated the discourse, didn’t it?

          • Josef Roesler

            Certainly better than continuing to assert your right to be a dick.

          • Chris McKenna

            And you wonder why cops continue to be held in such low regard. And, since your reading comprehension is sub-par, I never asserted MY right to be a dick, so it can’t be continuing. But I did point out that the US Constitution does allow for it.

          • Josef Roesler

            Another person who wants to tell me how to comprehend but has no understanding of the English language.

            Please look up personal pronoun second person plural. Thank you. So many people in here looking to flaunt their superiority over others and in the process make themselves look stupid.

          • Chris McKenna

            Context, moron, context. You were addressing me, so your attempt at deflection: fail.

          • Josef Roesler

            No, I was addressing YOU. No deflection, YOU just can’t follow. Your personal feelings led you astray.

            See how I did that? The first one was to a group, the second one was to the person I am talking to. Sorry you’re confused.

          • Nam Marine

            You should know pal !

          • Josef Roesler

            I’m sorry, Pal, I see you are desperate to get me to engage you, but it’s quite obvious what you are up to. It’s not going to happen. Find someone else to troll. I will not be replying to you again. Good day.

          • Nam Marine

            Right down to his level!

          • JdL

            Free speech does not require one to be a dick.

            Getting through the thick skulls of cops requires some brutally frank talk, or haven’t you noticed? Asking cops to pretty-please stop being murderous criminals has accomplished exactly nothing. I’m not convinced that even very direct words can get the job done, but if they can’t, the future doesn’t look very bright. For cops, I mean.

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, the context of that was within a forum, not with cops on the street. I’m sure you’re all wired up to get some cop killing done, but you’re not going to do it on a forum where people are having discussions, so you really don’t need to be a dick on a forum. You actually need to go outside if you wanna kill some cops and get your revolution kicked off. Unless you’re just an instigator on forums.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I wouldn’t be over confident about what you’re daring some to do. Cops ARE getting killed in the streets, often without apparent provocation. Unfortunately, the killing has begun. Cops are killing innocents too, but it’s no longer only a 1-way street.
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          • Josef Roesler

            I’m completely confident that blowhard internet commandos aren’t going to do anything, that’s why they’re here, because they are impotent. But you just reiterated why cops are such assholes on the streets. They never know which one of you is going to kill them next.

          • pinbalwyz

            Neither did the Nazis fighting the underground during the 3rd Reich. All the more reason to practice law enforcement as something you do WITH the community rather than TO it! Let there be a thousand points of light, and if it comes from the glint of daggers or lenses, so be it.

            If the words of the prophets on subway walls and tenement halls (or web sites) were as impotent as you suggest, people wouldn’t be getting arrested for them, nor would they be censored. The litmus test of how effective a strategy may be is how hysterically the power structure reacts to it.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Nice speech. You and I were talking about one person. Not subway tenement hall prophets.

          • Nam Marine

            You should know Peter !

          • pinbalwyz

            Au Contraire, often it does. Were free speech ‘popular’, it wouldn’t need the protection of the 1st Amendment.

            “Journalism is printing what someone doesn’t want published. Everything else is public relations.” -G. Orwell-

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          • Josef Roesler

            No, really, you don’t need to be a dick to get your point across, you just need to be literate and correct. Being a dick just makes people stop listening.

          • Paul Kisling

            So what do you recommend to change things? Elections by the people? LOL! Human nature precludes the success of that ideal..

          • Josef Roesler

            Well posting “Fuck the police” and “All pigs must die” and “You’re an idiot for having an opinion” certainly is not the way to go about it. That’s what I see the most of in forums. No, elections do nothing about individual cases. But half a million cop-haters making phone calls to and showing up to Chief’s and Sheriff’s offices does.

            I can guarantee you if my Chief was shown a video of me violating someone’s rights, I’d be on my way out. But he doesn’t dig around in cop-hating forums, so he wouldn’t likely know about it if that’s all that was done with the video.

          • Rail Car Fan

            “Josef Roesler” said in part…

            “If my Chief was shown a video of me violating someone’s rights, I’d be on my way out.”

            THAT may be true with YOUR Chief, but the problem is (as we have seen, not only on this web site, but other so called “anti-cop” sites, as you call them)… most of the time the “Badge Bully” cop just gets a slap on the hand and told “don’t get caught doing it again” (!) because if you do I’ll have to slap your other hand too!

            Being a cop today (and the mentality of approaching a situation) is completely different than it was years ago.

            Way back when/then a cop would investigate the situation and talk to all concerned before taking whatever action was needed to solve the problem.

            Now days a lot of cops come in heavy handed… crash, thrash and kick a$$ before even trying to find out what’s going on, then after realizing what they did was wrong the creatively arrest and write up their report to cover their butt!

            So please don’t give me this 99.9% of all cops are GOOD… and just a few are bad!

            Been there… done that.

            Rail Car Fan

          • Josef Roesler

            Well, seeing that there’s about 800,000 cops in the U.S. and you see a couple of hundred on these sites in an age when everyone has a camera, I’ll have to say the facts prove you wrong.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            Since we consider a good cop to be one that actively stops a bad cop from doing bad things, it would seem that there’s not much video of that available. Maybe you could point us to a few hundred examples of that happening.

          • Josef Roesler

            No, that’s your definition, a flawed one at that. A cop doesn’t have to stop another one to be good. With that logic, a cop who never sees another one do something wrong could never be good himself. Try again.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            Put another way, a cop who DOES see another cop violating a citizen’s rights, and doesn’t stop it, is a bad cop also.

          • Josef Roesler

            Of course, there’s no disputing that. But that’s not what you were arguing two hours ago.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            No, that’s in direct reply to your statement above.

          • Josef Roesler

            No, you changed your story:
            1. we consider a good cop to be one that actively stops a bad cop from doing bad things (who by definition can never be a good cop if he never see injustice)

            2. a cop who DOES see another cop violating a citizen’s rights, and doesn’t stop it, is a bad cop also.

            I’m sorry you’re confused but those are two different and opposing statements.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            I don’t see the opposition. It seems to me that it exists only in your attempt to control the conversation. Have fun.

          • Josef Roesler

            If that’s how you wanna spin it.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, now you’re splitting hairs and testing semantics. A cop who never saw another engaged in wrong doing would have to be blind. We all (at least those of us who are adults and lived in the barrio) know the truth is more akin to a bunch of scorpions in a bottle. None wants to sting the other and reap the consequences.
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          • Josef Roesler

            ” Citizens stand a much higher chance of dying by cop than hoodlum.” You’re just blatantly making things up now. Thousands of people are killed each year by non police criminals and you just implied that even more than that number are killed by cops. That’s just silly. Now you’re going to have this whole website full of cop-haters believing that cops kill more people than criminals do.

          • pinbalwyz

            Yes, it’s true. A US citizen stands (statistically) a higher chance of being killed by a cop than a hoodlum. The critical difference is the hoodlums will usually bear the consequences, the cops won’t.
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          • Josef Roesler

            I’d like to see the study that generated those statistics because a thing that never happens cannot be statistically likely. What is your source for this?

          • BC MotoGuy

            you seriously arent paying attention are you Josef. There are many many sites and incidents far beyond ‘a couple hundred’. Thankfully standards are higher where I live, and most are ‘good’ cops (not actually good by our definition, as below). It’s the Blue Wall that is the real problem up here. Open your eyes – http://filmingcops.com/ copblock sites and on and on. Tragic stuff.

          • Josef Roesler

            Sure thing, I’ll give you a couple of thousand miscreants out of 800,000. That’s .0025. Astonishing!

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, the number of actual miscreant cops caught on video and posted on Youtube is only the tip of the iceberg. The dissembling here is the claim these are ‘rogue’ cops when the truth is they are the norm. MOST cops lie under oath and in their sworn written statements. How do I know? Because I read the reports, know what actually happened, and don’t believe I’m one of God’s chosen ones or my experiences are unique–far from it. Cops, in general, have a well deserved reputation that precedes them which they worked very hard to achieve. Now, those chickens have come home to roost.
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          • Josef Roesler

            How is it you are personally involved in so many police incidents? Most people I know have never in their lives even met a cop, yet you, a single person have been personally involved in numerous crimes where a report was generated. That is even more amazing than your fact that a person is more likely to be killed by a cop than a criminal. Keep em coming man, this is incredible!

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, you say most people you know have never, in their lives, even met a cop? Where do you live?–in a a graveyard?…Somalia? ‘Numerous crimes’? I’m not certain about your area, but here, police respond to all kinds of situation, write tickets which are ‘infractions’, not crimes, and, of course, cite people for crimes the accused didn’t commit. How do they manage to accomplish this?–well, it helps if they lie a lot, so they do. Are you calling *ME* a liar, Goombah??!@ I’m a paralegal. I read court documents for a living…including police reports. I have defended myself on many occasions because lawyers often (at least the ones I can afford) don’t do such a hot job. As a matter of fact, I’ve NEVER lost a case where I represented myself. Lawyers?–well, the Spanish have a proverb: “It’s better to be a mouse in a cat’s mouth than a client in the hands of an attorney.” My own experience bears that out. Carlos will figure it out too, eventually.

            Your thinly veiled innuendo sounds a lot like “Catsup is a vetetable” Ed Meese, Reagan’s Attorney General…the top law enforcement official in the U.S., who said people stand in soup lines because the food is free, and people wouldn’t be sitting as defendants in a courtroom if they hadn’t done something–inter alia, they MUST be guilty of something or why are they there? Never mind the presumption of innocence in law…too many adopted Ed Meese’s prejudices…and yours? You’re looking through the wrong end of the telescope, Josef. The fact I’ve been wrongfully accused more than a couple of times speaks to the amount of lying that required by DA’s and their cohorts (cops) rather than conclusive evidence I must be a ‘career criminal’.

            You can make ham handed innuendos, but I do have you at a disadvantage. I was there, you weren’t. Nor do I presume people who have been arrested or are on trial are guilty of anything. I’ve seen far too many examples of miscarriages of justice, incompetent judges, ambitious prosecutors, lying cops, jail house snitches, erratic eye witnesses, and biased juries to make such presumptions. I presume the accused is INNOCENT. Often enough, they are! It’s the cops who can’t accept that concept who feel compelled to plant evidence, lie under oath and in their written reports, and bully people into false confessions.

            “And on the 8th day, the Lord said, ‘Let there be cameras!’ And there were, and He saw that it was Good.” And on that day, there rose a great cry of joy from the oppressed, from the sat upon, the spat upon, and the ratted on. Let the sword of truth and the glare of publicity lay low those who would devour the innocent to feed their own wickedness.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Why would I need to live in Somalia? The people I know have never been in trouble with the law, so why would they have ever had contact with a cop?

            “Goombah??!@ I’m a paralegal. I read court documents for a living…including police reports.”

            There we go with the insults..you got your feelings hurt .Anyway, reading lots of reports does not qualify you as having first hand knowledge of the incidents as you have stated. Being in trouble all the time, that does qualify you. What was the innuendo? If you’re in trouble with the law all the time, you’re in trouble with the law all the time. No innuendo there. If it quacks, it’s a duck. If you don’t want people thinking you get arrested a lot, don’t be telling people you get arrested a lot. Maybe if you said it in Latin, they wouldn’t know…

            Before I became a cop, I was never once accused of something I didn’t do by the police. Don’t know anyone who ever was either.

            But then you do live where cops are committing THOUSANDS of murders a year, so I guess it’s to be expected.

            What does “Catsup is a vetetable” have to do with anything Ed Meese said? You’re really rambling.

          • pinbalwyz

            The thinly veiled innuendo you used suggest ‘guilt’ by association/arrest. Unchallenged, that prejudice allows cops to become judges and executioners merely by arresting/citing someone. Many judges have never met a cop they didn’t like. People must realize cops lie a great deal of the time to reclaim their government and its processes. Just because a cop said something, doesn’t make it true. Yet that’s the assumption too many have.

            Whether your neighbors/associates have ever met a cop they didn’t like has no bearing on my assertion: Cops LIE! Today, too many know it for it to be a secret any longer. Who would have believed Rodney King if there hadn’t been a video camera on hand witnessing the entire beat down by a coterie of cops? Thank God for the inexpensive technology available to the people today if they’d simply develop the discipline to USE it more often.

            As an aside, I’d rather live in the streets of Detroit than a neighborhood full of people who think cops never lie and characterize trumped up charges as ‘being in trouble’.

            Dr. Martin Luther King, jr. was ‘in trouble’ as he sat in the Birmingham Jail, I suppose. The Church I was raised in resented his being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and characterized him (since he’d been ‘in trouble’) as a common criminal! Of course, the same Church taught blacks were dark skinned as punishment by God for not being more ‘valiant’ in the pre-existence. They were descendents of Cain, the Church said. i.e. It taught a racist theology. Blacks could join, but were not allowed (at that time) to hold the priesthood. Later, the head of the Church said he got a phone call direct from God notifying him of changing His mind.

            I’m of a mind that ‘being in trouble’ may be a blessing. People ‘in trouble’ often get things done, create change, serve as counselors/tutors to others. The folks who claim they’ve never been in trouble or met a cop?–not so much. :)
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          • Josef Roesler

            There was no thinly veiled innuendo. I said what I thought. You might want to call it thinly veiled innuendo so you have some kind of cause to cry about. You apparently have been arrested numerous times and you are what is known in the system as a “criminal” so don’t cry to me if you are labeled that way.

          • pinbalwyz

            The public is well aware of the police inclination for profiling/labeling. All one need do is listen to one of the scanner channels. As far as the ‘criminal’ label, that’s the argument the defendants at Nuremberg used, isn’t it? In the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes and be labeled a ‘felon’ shortly thereafter, or possibly even simultaneously. Felons are, from a system management perspective, so much easier to kontrol, aren’t they? You make the term (‘criminal’) sound like the ‘N’ word. You imply you’re not fond of them either, due to earlier experiences. You express fears the public would like to kill you. Houston, we have a problem.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Why is my expressing the fact, not fear, that the public wants to kill cops a problem? Since when is “criminal” supposed to be a nice thing?

            I have not implied at all that I don’t like black people. I was making an analogy. Some of that “common sense” you were referring to before would work wonders right there as opposed to taking the opportunity to imply racism.

            For a person who complains so often about “thinly veiled implications,” you certainly do a lot of it yourself. I can’t tell if you think you’re being clever, or you’re just afraid to come out and say something directly.

          • pinbalwyz

            Because you used the term ‘fear’. Because you are again over generalizing. It is NOT a ‘fact’ the “public wants to kill cops”. There are radically violent elements of the public who’d like to retaliate against cops in this manner, yes, just as there are irresponsible/vicious cops who think nothing of killing members of the public. Yet, I do not say, “The police want to kill the public.” I’m not taking the bait. My discussion and the premises on which I base my arguments are more nuanced than that.

            I’m cautious when I do generalize. e.g. I don’t lightly assert my belief a substantial proportion of cops lie under oath and in their reports. It’s a serious and depressing allegation. Yet, I believe it’s true based on my personal experiences, which are not insubstantial, as well as the experiences of others I find quite credible and what video footage I find online. I’ve watched in court as officers lie under oath, are exposed for doing so, yet judges do little or nothing about it. The cat’s out of the bag. People are becoming increasingly aware of this problem. Police no longer have the respect they once did as a result. Neither do the judges who allow it.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Because I use the word fear, you want to somehow minimize it? It is not irrational to fear what happens frequently. You keep crying about generalizations, but they keep you alive sometimes.

            If I know that SOME muslims think all infidels must die, and I am an infidel, then wouldn’t it behoove me to consider ALL muslims the enemy and dangerous since I have no way of knowing which muslim is the next who will try to kill me? Absolutely! Same thing you’re doing with the cops.

            I hope you’re happy, I switched from blacks to the evil muslim. And so you can climb all the way up on your high PC horse, I’m not just using muslims as an analogy; they are, in fact, a genuine threat to my/your life.

            So yes, fear is justified when it is a FACT that many members of the public want to kill cops. A thing further perpetrated by this website.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I don’t agree with your reasoning. Yes, there are some groups whom I consider enemies without equivocating…Nazis, Terrorists, traitors, corrupt officials, and those who would pervert America.

            I do NOT consider all cops to be my ‘enemy’ because they are not all corrupt/incompetent. I can’t tell which, however, so I record everything. I do the same for the public because I can’t tell which ones are violent, traitors, liars, or corrupt…but there are plenty of them, believe me. Some look like pillars of the community, but they’re corrupt–they aid and abet criminal/violent elements in the community. Some of them are college professors receiving handsome salaries from the State, holding privileged/cushy jobs.

            I firmly recognize I’m dependent, in my situations, for my safety on LEO’s. I’ve found myself under attack in situations where the fully armed uniformed LEO would not enter for 5 minutes (while I remained exposed) until backup arrived. I’ve witnessed how dangerous the streets are in some areas of Seattle, Tacoma, and Olympia. I thank God for the police when I see them in these areas. I also thank God for members of the community who actively monitor and oppose police brutality. I’m certainly grateful luggage is inspected when I board an airline. I don’t do that anymore because security there, of necessity, is now so restrictive. Most of all, I thank God for people like Carlos who are willing to fight for our inalienable human rights!

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          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, a sample of 200 out of 800,000 can give a fair indication of a trend. I haven’t met all 800,000 either, but MOST of the police reports I’ve read where I have first hand knowledge of the facts contained blatant misrepresentations serving the cop’s interests. I’ve now become expert enough in this pattern of false police reports, I can look at the tangible evidence, analyze the cop’s spin, and come up with a pretty good theory as to why they are lying. Generally, it’s to cover their ass because they f**ked up. On other occasions, it’s because they don’t like the suspect or the group they associate with the suspect. These cops believe they have to break/bend the law to make sure the ‘bad’ guy gets convicted. They apply the same amoral principles the suspect is accused of.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Actually, it’s generally to cover their ass because the public lies. Reports get written a particular way because there is always some cop hating asshole telling lies because he got his feelings hurt.

            I once wrote a parking ticket ($15) to an individual and never said a word to that person, who then felt it necessary to write a three page letter to my Chief detailing all kinds of abuse I inflicted upon her. Imagine trying to ruin someone’s career over $15 because YOU screwed up.

            Point is, the public lies much more frequently than the cops do. I don’t believe in misrepresenting your actions in a report, but I can understand why it happens. Criminals go free much more often than any innocents go to jail.

            You really think 0.00025 represents a trend?

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, our legal system was conceived to operate that way. It’s better that a guilty person goes free than an innocent one be convicted. Yet many LEO’s lie for the reason you suggest–they’re frustrated at the guilty going unpunished. I don’t disagree about corruption/lying among the public. However, a lying public official/LEO is far more dangerous that a civilian who lies. Frankly, I’m of the opinion judges should treat lying under oath far more seriously than they do. A trial is supposed to be a search for the truth, not who is the most artful liar.

            As to the rest of your argument, I must reject it. You’re at a disadvantage if you have not had enough occasions to compare a LEO’s report with the facts you personally witnessed. I have. Thus, your conjecture as to percentages when it comes to how frequently LEO’s perjure themselves is utter speculation. My assessment is based on experience. Yours is based on wishful thinking…a popular dream, no doubt, but still wishful. You admitted many in your circle had never even met a cop. You said you had never ‘been in trouble’. That makes you a lousy source for estimating how often cops lie. That the public lies is not disputed. Your assertion that the number of lying cops is miniscule is belied by the countless numbers of those reporting otherwise. Why else would the police be so terrified of cameras and video footage? Because, like any criminal, they don’t want to get caught. The more honest/competent LEO’s I’ve observed don’t interfere with my recording them and say stuff like, “We have nothing to hide.”

            As an aside, I deplore photographers who deliberately harass and antagonize LEO’s. I think they’re jerks. Most often (with some depressing exceptions) the LEO’s behave professionally, ignoring the taunts and baiting. When such footage is posted, the public’s normal reaction is to criticize the camera holding jerk. Don’t be that guy!
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          • Josef Roesler

            I hate to tell you this, but as long as the public has no conscience in lying about what I did or did not do, then I have no problem doing what I need to do to survive.

            “As an aside, I deplore photographers who deliberately harass and antagonize LEO’s. I think they’re jerks. Most often (with some depressing exceptions) the LEO’s behave professionally, ignoring the taunts and baiting. When such footage is posted, the public’s normal reaction is to criticize the camera holding jerk. Don’t be that guy!”

            I’m glad we can at least agree on this.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, there’s nothing wrong with you recording what went down just like any other citizen.
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          • Josef Roesler

            How you gonna film something that didn’t happen?

          • pinbalwyz

            By filming what did!
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          • Josef Roesler

            Man, making you understand something is like pulling teeth. This is why I have to use exaggeration for effect. Your method of proving that I didn’t do something that I didn’t know I would be accused of later is to film nothing happening somewhere. So I could just film a street showing nothing happening, or maybe I could film the sky showing nothing happening, or maybe I could film the inside of a toilet bowl showing nothing happening. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that this probably didn’t help you understand that you can’t film nothing happening, especially if you don’t know that there will be an accusation that something did. I don’t have a film crew to constantly follow me around 24 hours a day rolling film. So in order for me to film nothing happening, I would have to know beforehand there would be an accusation of something happening.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I run into this conundrum routinely. I solve it by ALWAYS recording any interaction I’m having with public officials or, often enough, even the public when I’m wearing my ‘PRESS’ button. I’ve given public notice I do so on my web site. A sworn uniformed peace officer should do likewise, whenever they’re on duty, both for their own safety and the public’s. You don’t need a film crew. There are any number of discreet audio and video recorders which will do the job. Had you been using one when you issued the parking ticket, it would have recorded nothing untoward happened and there was NO conversation. Suit yourself, but I’d think any cop would want one to cover their butt, especially the honest ones.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Do you really believe what is NOT on video doesn’t get complained about? All anyone has to do is edit the video.

            I see plenty of examples of lack of context on THIS website. Videos are constantly being posted that have absolutely no context because the videographer waits til long after the suspect has done whatever foolishness he was up to before they start filming. Then all you see is a crazy cop hollering “stop resisting!” and you title it “Jaywalker Beaten For No Reason”

            I could have filmed a completely benign incident of me handing a ticket to an asshole and all the asshole has to say is I didn’t film my brutality. I would have been no better off than I originally was.

          • pinbalwyz

            The other permutation is the cop falsely uttering implicating statements, which I have personally seen, and in the case of the FEMA contracted security guard, experienced. I had a cop lie about where I was standing (how close to a subject) and how long I took to exit when directed to do so. My photographs (the EXIF data) showed she was lying. It revealed when the photos were taken (thereby revealing the length of time I was inside the building after she contacted me) and the focal setting of the zoom lens. A quick photo of a tape measure with the same setting revealed just how far the focal plane was from the camera.

            Video and audio recordings may not be a panacea, but they’re far better than nothing. If you have yours on continually while you’re on duty, the suspect need only be asked, “When did this happen?” Your continually operating audio recorder should provide an ideal alibi. Editing the data can be detected. Yeah, sure, I could have a witness I convinced to lie. But anyone knows a witness is better than no witness.

            Another example of video/audio recording saving my bacon (I’ve posted this on my site along with an editorial) is when I entered a public park with my camera and large hairy microphone mounted on top, a large 6″ yellow, black, & red ‘PRESS’ button to document a group of transients there in broad daylight one afternoon. They immediately asked which ‘press’ I was with and I told them it was Soul Snatcher, Productions ™. They wanted to know why I was there and I responded I was doing a story on the homeless. A couple told me they didn’t want their pictures taken and I was not permitted to do so without their permission. I attempted to correct their misapprehensions by explaining (contrary to their opinion) the park was PUBLIC, and no permission was legally required to photograph it or anyone in it. One of them (Phillips) began to threaten me with physical violence. I politely asked him several times to stop threatening me and warned him it was illegal. He continued to do so. I became alarmed for my safety (I’m not a young man), jumped up and retreated from the picnic table where we’d been setting, and dialed 911. During the 2 minutes it took for the police to arrive, he continued to pursue and threaten me. I warned him he was being recorded. He arrogantly responded, “I don’t care!”

            When the police arrived, the officer asked me what happened while his partner contacted the transients (about 5) to hear their side. After taking my statement, the officer who questioned me approached his partner and they compared notes. He returned and said, “Well, he says he didn’t threaten you.” I said, “Yes, he did.” The LEO added, “…and his friends, they ALL say he didn’t threaten you.” (At this point, I’m at risk of being accused of filing a false police report, right?)

            I said, “Officer, I’ve got the entire incident on audio. In fact, I’m recording our conversation right now.” The LEO actually thanked me for letting him now, returned to Phillips and cited him for criminal harassment. Much later, after I acquired a copy of the police report, I read how the LEO confronted Phillips with the fact I had an audio recording of him threatening me. Upon realizing I had a record of the truth, Phillips admitted to the cop he had lied to him earlier and that he HAD threatened me. He later entered a guilty plea in the municipal court. If I hadn’t had a recording, I might well have been charged for lying to a LEO, something Phillips finally admitted he’d done, a crime he was never charged with.

            The LEO above asked me if he could have a copy of the audio and I assured him he could as soon as I got home, downloaded it off my memory card and sent it to him as a file attachment in e-mail. This, I did. But, the pre-trial report also indicated the officer turned the audio over to the city prosecuting attorney and asked her to determine if I’d violated Washington’s wire-tap/privacy law. The attorney later (after Phillips entered a plea) signed a document authorizing the police to destroy their copy which I had provided them. Fortunately, for a number of reasons I won’t bother you with presently, I still have the original. I even had a transcript (very useful) of it made. If it had been evidence I had broken the law, the city prosecutor would never have authorized its destruction.

            Many police departments have provided their officers with audio and video recording equipment to be used while on duty. Our local transit authority video and audio records the passengers (all of them) and driver on all of its buses including even the view out the windshield. This data is stored. It helps protect passengers, the driver, and the transit authority from false claims or menacing actors. Many (including me) are discomforted by this erosion of privacy, but I have (in law) no expectation of privacy on a public bus among a group of strangers…or in a public park, for that matter.

            It’s a shame your agency hasn’t provided you with these tools for preserving the truth, but if I were you, I’d spend my own $, if necessary, to acquire and USE them. The public deserves these safeguards, and so do LEO’s.
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          • pinbalwyz

            Carlos typically posts phone numbers and contact info for the departments involved.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Yes, Carlos does. I’ve never once taken issue with anything Carlos does. I always support Carlos even though he thinks I’m a dirty cop. But Carlos seems to prefer “fuck the police” internet commandos than actual follow up on these videos. How many people actually call versus the morons who come on here and say “all pigs must die?”

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, again, that’s conjecture on your part, isn’t it? Some here post reports on how frustrated the receptionist or spokesperson was when they were able to contact them. Others (like Carlos) are actually suing the bastards. I do not want to see LEO’s injured (or worse) in the streets. It’s dangerous for them and it’s very dangerous for the public. If I saw a person/mob attack a LEO in the streets without provocation, I’d have no qualms testifying against them. I want our LEO’s to be safe on the streets because they are citizens and have a right to be safe. Unfortunately, some think the best way to achieve that goal is to bully/intimidate citizens. I’ve seen it many times. Naturally, they experience a response typical for all bullies.
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          • Josef Roesler

            No, it’s not conjecture on my part at all. It’s based on fact.

          • inquisitor

            Well it is obvious a lot of people here don’t like what you have to say.
            Which is all the reason why you should stay and continue to do it.

            See how we differ?

          • Josef Roesler

            I certainly do. You say lots of stuff like that, with veiled sarcasm. I don’t. If you weren’t bashing and insulting people and being snarky all the time, I’d probably agree with the rest you have to say.

          • inquisitor

            Sarcasm. bashing, insulting, snarky…

            …can you tell me the statute.

            I also don’t put the napkin on my lap at the dinner table.

          • Josef Roesler

            You asked me, I told you. Keep arguing about it if you like.

          • Chris Olin

            You’re going to get a lot of people disagreeing with you on this here, but you have a very valid point.

            While yelling a lot and throwing insults around isn’t illegal, it is very
            definitely NOT mature or helpful. I get that we’re all people and people
            aren’t perfect, so we’re not going to handle complex issues like this
            perfectly, but I do find that many people like push that invisible line
            of being belligerent and rude out of principal, not because it helps.

            As much as I love and support PINAC, there are a lot of people who
            follow PINAC that like repeating their beliefs and arguing with the
            other side of the coin. The people like Darren who see us all as
            “ignorant, liberal pussies”. It’s easy to generalize people you don’t like. He makes that clear by bringing up gun control. Contrary to popular
            myth, you can support PINAC and understand that many of today’s gun control laws and/or bills do little to nothing to prevent gun crimes and ultimately burden the lawful gun owner, but I digress.

            While you might get a sense of justice or feel good about shutting someone down by arguing why “you’re wrong and I’m right”, the goal should be to try debating with people to get them to start rethinking their beliefs. You might not get that immediate gratification, but the key here is education of sorts. People that disagree with the entire concept and point of PINAC need to understand for themselves why this is important and the people that support it aren’t ignorant, liberal pussies.

          • Josef Roesler

            True.

          • JdL

            Point is, cop-haters don’t make change, they just yell a lot and throw insults around if you say something they don’t like. Real mature. Not very helpful when you’re trying to change government.

            You are whining because Carlos is exposing the corruption and criminality perpetrated by cops. It doesn’t matter whether you think it’s “mature” or not of Carlos to do this exposing. It’s going to happen. And, contrary to your assertion, it’s going to make change. Just watch.

          • Josef Roesler

            That’s funny what you did right there. You don’t like what I’m saying, so you tell me I’m whining. Nice. Your point is invalid because I have not once complained that Carlos posted a video.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, the truth is the truth no matter where you find it. The more sunshine that penetrates the dark hole of law enforcement, the cleaner those cracks will become regardless of who is holding the light.
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          • Josef Roesler

            If you call insults sunshine…