January 13th, 2014

Aspiring Deputy Coming Under Fire for Vowing to Beat Citizens for the “Sheer Joy of It” (Updated III) 494

By Carlos Miller

Redding

 

On one hand, Darren Redding has everything it takes to become a law enforcement officer. He is aggressive, has a military background and doesn’t think too highly of citizens expressing their First Amendment rights.

But on the other hand, he hasn’t learned to disguise that contempt with a veneer of “safety” as many experienced cops have learned to do when justifying their aggressive acts.

Because of that, his aspiring law enforcement career may come to an end before it even starts.

Nah, probably not. Just because he made threats on Facebook against Cop Block activists, unleashing a tirade of complaints against him to his future employer, the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office, doesn’t mean they won’t hire him.

But it does mean we will be able to track his career once he does get hired because judging by his comment, which is reposted below, he doesn’t exactly think things through, considering he had no qualms posting it under his real name.

Your page is pathetic and offensive. The pictures you post and the comments you make seem like you’re trying to incriminate and deface ALL police officers, when 99% of them are great at what they do, it’s the 1% you should be posting about, not the vast majority you pathetic, ignorant, liberal pussy.

You’re just like all the liberals striving for gun control because the actions of a few, insane individuals are fucking it up for the other 99% of gun owners who are responsible with their weapons.

Or let me put it into perspective for a drug using, liberal, hippy pussy like yourself: 99% of people who smoke pot do it responsibly and safely, but 1% of the people who use participate in violent crime, or crash their cars when theyre high and kill others or themselves, but I don’t see you posting about how ALL pot smokers should be punished.

If you were a law abiding citizen you wouldn’t have any problem with 5-0, but something tells me you were probably being a jackass towards a police officer and you got what was coming to you, and that inspired you to make a page giving a bad name to all law enforcement.

You might as well bad mouth the military and veterans like myself because of those marine scout snipers that pissed on some dead Taliban a few years back. According to your logic that means ALL active duty and veterans are heinous heathens right?

You’re a fucking bitch and I hope some cop beats your ass next time you’re “protesting” or filming them or whatever. In fact I’m about to start the training academy for the washoe county sheriffs dept in reno, Nevada and I can’t wait to deal with punk ass bitches like you. I would beat your fucking liberal ass just for the sheer joy of it.

Suck my fucking dick you waste of breathable air, you should have been aborted. But I guess your mother was a dumb ass waste of life like you. You’re the reason that there’s no hope for the human race, I can’t believe people like you exist, if I had my way, there would be another holocaust with camps and gas chambers full of fucking cunt scabs like you.

I hope you die”

His comment comes across more as a rant than a direct threat, but we’ve seen several cases of citizens ranting on Facebook, only to be arrested. In fact, just last week, a Photography is Not a Crime reader received a visit from the secret service after he stated in the comments section that he would like see President Obama assassinated.

After talking to him for a few minutes, they determined he had only been ranting and had no plans to follow through on his wishes.

But now it’s up to the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office to see if they will give Redding a chance to follow through on his wishes.

UPDATE: Redding sent the following messages to Cop Block, claiming it was a friend who made the comment, not him, pleading for them to remove the post, but now it’s being picked up by other websites.

I respectfully ask that you remove this post. Like i said in the message i just sent to you, i did not post this. i’m not exactly sure who did because i had several people at my house last night. I understand that the content of the post was un called for and very abusive, but now i am being harassed because of it. your followers have sent me death threats of their own, and have called the local law enforcement authorities on me. i was almost arrested today on suspicion of being a terrorist. your followers have been harassing my family members and my friends.

Like i said, what was said in that message was verbally abusive and on behalf of whoever wrote it, i apologize. but this has gone too far and im not just being harassed over the internet, the police are showing up at my door.

So i ask you again, respectfully, to please remove this post.

Thank you, Darren

This has gone too far. One of your followers is now posting my address for everyone to see. I really need you to delete his comment and this entire post please.

UPDATE II: The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office is claiming that Redding’s Facebook account was hacked, so it looks as if he’ll become a deputy after all.

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UPDATE III: The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office sent an email to Photography is Not a Crime, stating that at no time was it considering hiring Redding.

The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office would like to clarify that Mr. Redding is not a Deputy Recruit nor has he been considered for employment with our agency.

“The comments in this post are deplorable and not in keeping with the culture of the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office,” said Sheriff Mike Haley.

The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office is committed to providing the highest quality police service and protection to our community and we pride ourselves on hiring employees that embrace our mission to build public trust by fostering an environment of honesty, trust, and mutual respect.

We would appreciate it if you would correct your article to reflect that Mr. Redding is not a Deputy recruit for our agency.

If you need further information or have questions, please contact me at your earliest convenience.

Thank you and regards,

Tami Cummings

Community Relations, WCSO


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  • Reno CCW

    Darren Redding sounds like a real charmer. I only hope that he gets just as much as he plans to give.

    • inquisitor

      I suggest he snuggle up often with the Kevlar with his style of public relations.

  • Fascist Slayer

    I don’t understand what the problem is with what he said, and I don’t understand what everyone is crying is about? Massive surveillance of an entire nation and beyond, secret prisons, secret courts, secret laws, secret judges, secret police, secret interpretation
    of laws, secret list, secret hearings, secret evidence, secret wars, militarization of local police forces, declaration of martial law for unarmed suspects, the largest prison population on earth,
    internal spy drones, millions of internal domestic spies, internal checkpoints, street lamp post that listen in on conversations, mysterious boxes affixed to power polls doing only God knows what, indefinite detention without charge or trial under NDAA, DHS hording billions of rounds of Ammo, TSA deployed onto public streets, propaganda media, a call for the arrest of journalist, children deemed and labeled terrorist for playing with certain toys, citizens being
    arrested, jailed and deemed suspected terrorist for openly filming law enforcement in public. citizens being detained and taken to area hospitals and given 8 cavity exams, X-Ray’s and Colonoscopies for minor traffic violations, Constitutional Free Zones, Free Speech Zones, votes being counted in dollars, not ballots, eugenics programs, endless wars, etc, etc,
    etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. And now Americans are shocked and disturbed that military soldiers and law enforcement are calling to have citizens exterminated in ovens & gas chambers?? Really America? Really?? What do people expect in a Fascist nation,
    rainbows made out of Skittles?

    • inquisitor

      Yes, but do you feel safe yet?

      • Fascist Slayer

        Can I move in with you?

        • inquisitor

          HAHAHAHAHA……eh……no.

          • Fascist Slayer

            Please?

          • inquisitor

            Sorry bubba. No dice…now git!!
            (racks shotgun)

        • RavenWolf_LDR

          Before you can ask me, in the great words of my favorite cat.

      • Will

        Please elaborate on what you learned in 1998 and whats going to happen here.

      • RavenWolf_LDR

        I’m with ya on what’s gonna happen. I already have my deep woods, self-sufficient home. With all that I need including a blacksmith shop. I guess great minds think alike.

        • Funtimes

          You need to create a township of like minded, skilled individuals who can operate using an ad hoc system of native currency (to the township) so you can trade effectively without being reliant on any federal institution or tax system with the labor.

          • Difdi

            Any community large enough to be self-supporting in the long term is big enough to be invaded and conquered. Though the conquerors will likely call themselves law enforcement, not conquerors.

          • RavenWolf_LDR

            Not necessarily true, Difdi. The US state of Alaska is the least populated state and most of it is consider uninhabitable by the government. Same with the Yukon Territory and Northwest Territory of Canada. Off the grid communities do exist in these area for those strong enough and brave enough to deal with the conditions. They are large and very sparsely populated. Most villages in these place belong to Inuit (Eskimo) people with some non-native settlements. These would be the ideal areas for what Funtimes has suggested.

          • RavenWolf_LDR

            Would love to start an off-grid township, but nowhere in the lower 48. All lower 48 states and Hawaii are consider inhabitable. My husband and I love roughing it and have learned to live off-grid to the point of being able to make our own electricity if needs be. The ideal areas for what you are talking about would be places such as Alaska in the US or the Yukon and Northwest Territories in Canada. They are consider mostly uninhabitable to uninhabitable depending on where you set this up. For a township to exist in these areas, you would need a group of tough people who know how to live of the land, make their own creature comforts, not mind living miles (perhaps 100s of miles) from civilization, not mind extreme weather conditions (as winters can get rough), hunt and grow your own food, and be able set to mutually set boundaries, trade, and rules that all can live by with a group elected council of elders that is changed very frequently. If your interested in trying to set something like this up, then get a hold of me at ecofriendlycountrygirl@gmail.com

        • Herbert Napp

          You’re fortunate enough to have built up a sizable income enough to do that. Some of us are young and just started working and can’t even fathom something like this. I really hate the finger wagging I get from preppers who have money to burn. I really don’t want to hear about how cheap it WASN’T either. God. Done venting, hope you don’t take offense.

          • inquisitor

            I was homeless at age 13 for an entire year.
            Enough of the poverty consciousness.

          • RavenWolf_LDR

            No offense taken. I would never tell how cheap it wasn’t because it was cheap as shit. My prepper place is in the least populated state in the US. so they paid me to move there and didn’t even ask my exact residence. They didn’t even ask if I live there full-time or part-time. Just asked that I get a state I.D. which I used a rental place for. Then the state started to pay me for living there. The state is called Alaska. After I found and made a homemade map of my deep woods location, my husband and I built the place with what we had. Almost no money at all. You just got to be use to living off the grid, hunting for your own food, know how far the nearest Inuit village is for trading, not mind extreme weather conditions, and not mind complete darkness for 6 months out of the year. Also helps to have a pilot’s license too. Canada has a lot of places like that too in the Yukon Territory and The Northwest Territory. Just move in and settle in the middle of nowhere away from everyone.

  • Jeff D

    Sounds just like the kind of Gestapo a-hole who will be willing to implement NDAA for his masters under the guise of ” I’m just following orders ” – what a testosterone laden neanderthal – just what we need to “protect and serve”

    • Difdi

      Is it any wonder the dark side gets so many converts? The light side only has tofu…

  • Alma Lovell

    IMO this isn’t something PINAC should even be writing an article about. This guys isn’t a police officer, he isn’t in the academy and there is no evidence whatsoever of any illegal actions by him.
    At this point he is simply a private citizen expressing his 1st Amendment rights.
    I sincerely hope PINAC isn’t going down the path of “liberal media” who seeks to destroy others based on disagreeable things they say.
    There are currently hundreds of videos out there on Youtube right now of police abusing photographer rights. Do a story on one of those videos. Not this type of garbage “reporting”.

    • ARtP

      It’s lovely when future cops display this mindset, “You’re a fucking bitch and I hope some cop beats your ass next time you’re “protesting” or filming them or whatever.”

    • Brandon Ellis

      The thing about dictating what others want to write on the internet is that it doesn’t work, at all. If you don’t like the content, don’t read it, nobody’s got a gun to your head.

      • inquisitor

        …except the cops should you open carry while fishing.

        • Daniel

          Actually, fishing is one of the few times I do carry. Damn city people come here on weekends and act like crazed fools.

        • Rail Car Fan

          That’s in Florida… right..!!..?

          Rail Car Fan

    • Unity Nowe

      Alma, yes, let’s just wait until he gets hired, goes insane on someone, kills them, and then, IF the victim is lucky enough that it was all caught on film, report it, eh? An ounce of prevention , I say !

    • inquisitor

      It is very relevant when you consider the militarization of the police and where today’s cops are coming from…mentally. Because there is going to be more and more of them out there. Gives people a good profile into the dark recesses of the highly disturbed psychopathic mind that you will be phoning to come over to your house and “help” you after you dial 911. Only to wonder why, as a victim of a home robbery, your family is now lying dead on your living room floor.

      • Will

        They join the US military when theyre young and idealistic, they go overseas, learn to murder, rape, harass, plant false evidence, protect drug cartels, etc. then they get brain injuries/damage and are shipped back home, where they then become police officers, using every terrorist tactic they learned in Iraq or Afghanistan against the American People.

        The United States military and police forces are the largest terrorist recruitment and training programs on the face of the Earth.

    • jcfromnj

      I think that PINAC needs to determine that this is in fact genuine. IF it is, it’s Party Time !

    • Paul Kisling

      That is right. Lets wait until he actually does something violent before we do anything. That always helps. Oh wait that is what the cops did in Castle Rock V Gonzalez.!!!!!!

    • Will

      Threatening to violently assault someone IS an illegal action. And someone training to be a cop would know this, which means he willingly and flagrantly broke the law, and planned on using government power and resources to assault innocent people in the future.

    • Fotaugrafee

      Think of it as preventative maintenance. First Amendment rights are one thing, but when you express beliefs like this guy just did, you have NO RIGHT being a cop.

    • JdL

      IMO this isn’t something PINAC should even be writing an article about.

      Who the heck are you to make pronouncements about what PINAC “should” be writing an article about? Send us a link to YOUR blog, where YOU can make the rules, eh?

      Carlos, thanks for including this story on your site.

  • Irony_Tag

    It certainly doesn’t seem look like he has the temperament to be a police officer, or any public facing position.

  • bobby day

    Doesn’t look like the Washoe County Sheriff’s FB page has been updated in several years. I’d look into contacting them through their official website:

    http://www.washoesheriff.com/

  • Josef Roesler

    While this guy is obviously out of control and has no idea how to act maturely and with reason, and does not belong in the police force, I agree with the point he is trying to make. I believe the owner of PINAC is a cop-hater and is trying to smear all of law enforcement and loves fomenting an environment of hate toward the police within the citizenry. He does post many damning videos that show cops breaking the law, and I applaud him for that, but he has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones. He has no interest showing any cops in a good light when they actually take their oath seriously. He can’t do that because that would confuse his cop-hating following.

    • Brandon Ellis

      You assume too much and think way too little.

      • Josef Roesler

        Nothing was assumed little girl. Is that all you had to contribute?

        • Adolph Schumer

          If it was she hit the nail on the head, little boy.

          • Josef Roesler

            What is it she nailed? What did I assume? Everything I said’s been documented.

          • Brandon Ellis

            No, what you ranted about was your own biased opinion. The validity of your entire argument isn’t based on facts, so you are assuming. Childish insults are a good indicator of how weak your position is. You wouldn’t happen to be a cop would you? It would explain a lot.

          • Josef Roesler

            It was my opinion, which is based on my factual experience that you obviously aren’t aware of. There were no childish insults in my OP, however, you did reply to me derogatorily, to which I replied in kind.Your opinion as well, of course.

          • Brandon Ellis

            A factual opinion, eh? Learn something new every day, I suppose. You don’t just get to type something and make it so. You invite people to tell you to use your brain more often when you do foolish things, like accusing a journalist writing a blog about police accountability of being a cop hater just trying to rouse his cop-hating following.

          • Josef Roesler

            An opinion can’t be based on fact, you say…Good day.

          • Paul Kisling

            So what if the owner of Pinac is cop hating?? He has that right if he wants to.
            He has broken NO LAWS!
            The police on the other hand are being filmed BREAKING THE LAW!

            That is the cool thing about America.
            You can hate someone and not break the law.
            However you cannot be a cop and break the law. Sorry boys.

          • Josef Roesler

            You’re correct.

          • pinbalwyz

            It’s not enough to merely OBEY Big Brother…one must LOVE Big Brother.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

        • nick

          You assumed that the person was talking to PINAC, when he was talking to Cop Block.

          • Josef Roesler

            Oh, are we not on the PINAC website right now? I sure thought we were when I made that comment referring to the article posted on the PINAC website. Sorry.

          • nick

            You said “this guy” and “the point he is trying to make.” That makes it clear you’re talking about Redding. The point Redding is trying to make doesn’t refer to Carlos at PINAC.

          • Josef Roesler

            Dude, you have comprehension problems. Two different things there. I didn’t say anything about Redding referencing PINAC.

          • elizabee

            “I agree with the point he is trying to make. <–(Redding) I believe the owner of PINAC (Carlos) is a cop-hater and is trying to smear all of law enforcement" …your words. I guess it is true, cops really are that damn dumb.

          • Josef Roesler

            You’re calling someone dumb when you can’t understand what I wrote. Two different things there. One thing’s about a guy who wrote a rant. The other thing is about a guy who runs a similar website to the one the other guy ranted on. Two different things. Stop trying to insult someone with your intelligence when you have none.

          • Nam Marine

            You sound like a dip shit to me pal!

        • Brad Wesley

          List of assumptions:

          A. “The owner of PINAC is a cop-hater”
          B. “Loves fomenting an environment of hate toward the police”
          C. “Has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones”

          • Josef Roesler

            List of opinions:

            A. “The owner of PINAC is a cop-hater”
            B. “Loves fomenting an environment of hate toward the police”
            C. “Has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones”

            You assume my opinions are assumptions.

    • Trace Morris

      well i can whole heartedly say that as an american citizen,alot of cops have this mindset.it is ridiculous and i actually messaged mr redding and told him what i thought of him,as well as what i thought of the police force and the military as a whole.we all have our right to an opinion.

      • Josef Roesler

        You are correct, we do have a right to our opinion. Our employers also have the right to not hire or fire us for this type of behavior. This guy is not police material. But most are not like this.

        • Patrick Henry,The2nd

          Most aren’t, but many are. And even worse, the good ones don’t stop the bad ones.

          Once A) fellow cops stop them and arrest them, and B) cops go to jail for crimes, cops will be better respected.

          Until then, they have to deal with the hate.

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, that has nothing to do with my OP.

            But you must have missed the many articles recently of cops being busted (by cops) for these things. I know, it doesn’t matter, they are still all wrong in your eyes.

        • Paul Kisling

          Unfortunately the ‘most’ protect the ‘least’ in the police world. That makes them dirtier than the ‘least’.

          • Josef Roesler

            You do have the right to that opinion.

        • Will

          And most drug users are not violent criminals. Neither are most black men. Neither are most gun-owners. But theyre ALL treated like they are. BY COPS.

          Remember the Golden Rule buddy! Were all just treating cops the same way they treat us citizens.

          • Josef Roesler

            Well, when you go to work, do you worry that every time you talk to someone they may try to kill you? Maybe when all the criminals follow the Golden Rule, cops will too.

          • pinbalwyz

            The best (overall) protection a cop can have is the support of their community. But, when they treat their neighbors as the ‘enemy’, they’ll be perceived as the enemy in turn. If cops generalize, people will generalize about them. It’s a fundamental quid pro quo.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            I suppose when part of a cop’s job description no longer includes”getting murdered.” they might stop seeing the people they work for as the enemy. If I knew one person I meet today might murder me, it’s kind of stupid to think I won’t generalize for the rest of the day.

          • anon

            The golden rule is to treat other people the way that you want to be treated. Treating other people the way they treat you is called revenge.

        • twolf1920

          I agree. Here’s a true story: A bunch if us are speeding on our motorcycles last year, and we were pulled over by a local sheriff…. I mean we were SPEEDING. I belong to a motorcycle club. Long story short, the cop ended up coming on several of our club rides later that year. The fact is most are just people like you or me that have a job to do. But there are some that need to be removed from their job because they are menaces!

        • Nam Marine

          Says you?

    • Carlos_Miller

      Josef, when the good cops start exposing the bad cops, I’ll be one of the first reporters on it.

      • Josef Roesler

        We’ve already been through that, you have no interest in working with the good cops on this. I’ve tried. You refused. You are merely a hate-monger.

        • Carlos_Miller

          Josef, I appreciate you, as a cop, coming in here and voicing your opinions. And I’ll always welcome you here.

          But you have to admit, you are trying to debate me as a biased cop.

          That’s understandable but it also does not allow you to see me as anything more than a “cop hater” because I’m not posting enough positive stories.

          I’m not a cop hater but I am pretty jaded because of my personal experiences as well as the stories that come across my desk everyday.

          • Josef Roesler

            I’m not a biased cop. I’m a Constitutionalist who happens to be a law abiding cop. I’m also embarrassed by the behavior of these jackholes you report on. Dirty cops do me no good. And I do what I can to make change in the system, not merely by sensationalism.

            I have officers in my own department who have some of this misguided dumbass mentality. I do what I can to educate them. I do what I can to educate their bosses.

          • Carlos_Miller

            Fair enough, Josef, You’re doing your thing. I’m doing my thing.

            You might accuse me of “sensationalism,” but everything I write is factual.

            Much more than I can say for a huge portion of arrest reports written by police.

          • Josef Roesler

            You might remember that I didn’t accuse you of sensationalism, I was referring to the photographers who post and don’t act. I understand you’re just passing it along. In my eyes, you’re doing more than the original photographer.

          • Carlos_Miller

            It boils down to this. We are going through a transition in society where citizens are more empowered than ever because of cameras and the internet, and they are using that power to weed out the bad cops or in this case, the potentially bad future cops.

            As a cop, the only you can really do is remain true to your oath and try to advise fellow cops to do the same.

            Those that do remain true to their oath have nothing to worry about. Those that don’t have nobody to blame but themselves once they are exposed.

            The transition has just begun and it’s gaining way too much momentum for you or any other cop to stop it by simply accusing us of being “cop haters,” which used to work before these videos opened the eyes of many Americans.

            What’s happening now, Josef, is that Americans who used to have tons of respect for police have lost that respect, not because of what I write, but because of the videos I post, which allows them to see things for themselves.

            These same Americans are picking up their cameras and walking into city halls and police departments and demanding transparency and accountability.

            And that’s just going to continue happening until police become immune to our cameras. But that’s going to take years, if it ever happens.

          • Josef Roesler

            I didn’t call you cop-haters to get you to stop. I’m glad you’re doing it. Wasn’t my point. Point is, cop-haters don’t make change, they just yell a lot and throw insults around if you say something they don’t like. Real mature. Not very helpful when you’re trying to change government.

          • inquisitor

            I disagree with your assessment and I support free speech.

          • Josef Roesler

            Free speech does not require one to be a dick.

          • Elliott Whitlow

            That depends on your definition of “being a dick”.. Refusing to follow unlawful orders? Refusing to identify when not required? Refusing to move 2 blocks away? What?
            I tend to get “unpleasant” when I am ORDERED to do something that I cannot be ordered to do. That is about the quickest way to get me to go from pleasant to unpleasant. Are there good cops, sure there are but its hard to accept they are the majority. You should also keep in mind that I count cops who see inappropriate behavior and do nothing about it as bad cops.

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, I don’t blame you, but that had nothing to do with my comment.

          • lberns

            After witnessing the slow roll out of the police state and the evil committed in the name of the “law” over the last 20 years, I never give costumed state mercenary fuckers the benefit of the doubt anymore, Josef.

          • Josef Roesler

            And all the more reason they’re so aggressive when they get out of the car. They are much more aware of the cop hating mentality they have to deal with now. It’s escalating on both sides. That doesn’t make it right.

          • lberns

            Don’t make excuses, jackboot. No one is putting a gun to their heads to be abusive thugs.

          • Josef Roesler

            I didn’t make any excuse. I gave you a reason. In your cop-hating selective reading, you neglected to understand I said it was not right.

          • lberns

            It’s not hate, it is zero respect. I have no respect for any organization who’s only “authority” is achieved via the barrel of a gun. You are no more legitimate than that legal fiction you work for. I gave up the superstitious belief that anyone has the legitimate right and authority to rule anyone just like I gave up the superstitious belief in Santa Claus. To me, you are nothing more than a hire mercenary for the most violent gang of thugs on the planet. There is nothing about what you do for a living, or believe, that I even remotely respect.

          • Josef Roesler

            Good thing I don’t need your respect. Sounds like hate to me though. You sound very angry. Hope you can control yourself if you ever have to deal with cops in person.

          • inquisitor

            More copspeak.

            Got ID?

          • lberns

            No, I hate bullies, you worthless fucking parasite.

            BTW – A couple more of your colleagues have gotten away with murder yet again (surprise, surprise):

            http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/01/13/fullerton-cops-found-guilty-beating-death-homeless-mentally-ill-man/

          • Josef Roesler

            And there it is. Insults. You don’t like what someone else has to say, you just turn into a caveman. I’ve done you no harm and championed your cause, yet you curse and insult me. Fine example.

          • lberns

            Your “service” is provided via the barrel of a gun. If I don’t want your “service” and I refuse to pay for it, you will come, with your gun, to throw me into a cage. If I resist, you will shoot me. In my book, that makes you a fucking parasite that cannot be trusted, ever. Want to be a champion for the “cause?” Quit!

            Message to Police – Josie Outlaw

          • Josef Roesler

            OK video. She seems to be confusing immoral orders and illegal orders. What constitutes immoral orders is based on someone’s opinion, not on the law. It’s not up to a some hippie to tell a cop what laws he thinks should be enforced because of the hippie’s morals.

            There’s two options for people like you since you hate the system so much here. Find a new country that you think treats you better or start a revolution. But you haven’t done either, have you? You just like to rant on cop-hating websites. Maybe you should kick off your revolution by storming a police station and seeing how many you can take out? Or you can just keep insulting me. On a forum.

          • lberns

            WOOOSH! It comes as no surprise that the whole point of the vid went right over your stupid fascist pointy head. Feel free to start crushing skulls now.

            And mother fuck you and your “love it or leave it” logical fallacy.

          • Josef Roesler

            Lovely.

          • pinbalwyz

            Exactly. Why would anyone who loves America leave it? Let those who would pervert it leave–NOW!
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • pinbalwyz

            Grrrr! And it isn’t up to some half baked poorly trained viciously violent cop (4 months?) who has never read/understood the Constitution (or their oath to uphold it) to pound a citizen into the pavement for petitioning their government!…or photographing them doing so!
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            No, it’s not. What’s that got to do with what I said? Grr.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, if you’re a hog being transported to the slaughterhouse, all butchers look alike. Do we talk of ‘good’ Nazis vs. ‘bad’ Nazis? At some tipping point, all Nazis become hated. Trying to persuade a Jew you, et al, are one of the ‘good’ Nazis is comical…or tragic–take your pick.
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          • Josef Roesler

            I’ve already answered you on this subject several times and I really have no idea why chose this message to reply to as your reply makes no sense in the context.. Are you just randomly replying to me with the same message??

          • Nam Marine

            No you don’t ! You would love a confrontation !

          • pinbalwyz

            Cops who cannot rise above the current antipathy many citizens feel toward them cannot be effective LEO’s.

            It’s like Ben Franklin said, “When the people are afraid of the government…that’s tyranny. When the government is afraid of the people…that’s liberty!”
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          • Josef Roesler

            Antipathy is not violence. You might have to deal with antipathy at work, cops have to deal with violence. And people like Iberns are a real threat. A cop who doesn’t realize that many of the people he works for want to kill him is an ineffective LEO. What did Franklin say about cop killers?

          • pinbalwyz

            Franklin spoke in more general terms such as his famous, “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it!” Franklin worried as much about the corruption in the people as the government. My personal experience confirms he was onto something important.
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          • Josef Roesler

            So again, you’re preaching, but not about what you replied to…

          • Chris Olin

            I know this response is a little late, but I just saw your response and I felt like replying to it.

            Police officers have a job to do and I’m fully aware that the first amendment makes it difficult for them to do it. It’s a Catch 22 giving up some of your First Amendment rights when an officer unlawfully orders you to identify yourself or move two blocks away.

            I weigh each situation individually. Yes, an officer shouldn’t lie and expect me to give up one of my First Amendment rights, but at the same time, by doing so, I could be assisting them in investigating a serious crime that would otherwise take them longer to investigate because I refuse to give up my rights.

            Personally, I believe the rights were written into the Constitution with good intentions. The word “right” gives each individual the ability to relinquish that right if they deem it necessary. The problem is that it seems the majority of law enforcement officers intimidate people into giving up that right instead of letting of make that judgement call for themselves.

          • Elliott Whitlow

            The first amendment does not make it hard, please specify how that makes it hard?

            It isn’t a catch 22, you have rights they have powers, rights trump powers in all cases except for the noted exception, PERIOD.

            I don’t give up rights, I might be willing in SOME cases to back up some, but not far and I will ABSOLUTELY not back up any further than ANY other bystander without a camera.

            Now, its simple, I will provide the video to ANYONE who *asks*, but they can have a COPY, I will retain the device and the original.

            Now, your last paragraph is largely true, if I chose to bend some I will make that decision myself. I will not be bullied into it.

          • inquisitor

            Being a cop does not require one to be a dick.

            Oh…wait a minute…strike that.

          • Josef Roesler

            I thought you said you were leaving…but yes, cops don’t have to be dicks. I agree with you.

          • inquisitor

            I thought you said you would no longer deal with me.
            But you didn’t uphold that.
            So…

          • Josef Roesler

            See, here’s an example of the mentality of the cop haters, you can’t win with them. You ignore their insults, they say they’ll stop trolling you, you agree with them, they still got issues.

            So your statement you were going to stop trolling me was a test to see if you could bait me into another reply? Clever. You win.

          • inquisitor

            Bad cops still out there, more arriving, militarized police state growing, middle class dissipating, economy purposefully being shut down…no one wins…we all lose

          • Josef Roesler

            All true.

            Be vocal about it to the police administrators. Vote out the radical left and the RINOs.

          • twolf1920

            I served in the USAF Pre Gulf War as a Law Enforcement Specialist, and can say with all honesty, that the majority of the men and women I served with cared about being professional on and off their jobs. Most treated the other men and women they encountered with respect and courtesy. However, there were some who I believe if they didn’t have badges, would have been criminals.

          • Josef Roesler

            It’s always been said there’s a fine line between criminals and cops. It’s becoming blurred, unfortunately.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, finally!–an opinion I can unreservedly support.
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          • pinbalwyz

            Many cops are attracted to dealing with criminal behavior, but didn’t have the chutzpah to join a ‘gang’. So, they joined their local police force–a gang with bigger sticks, its own ‘colors’, and better funded. But, it’s the thrill of the fight that got them hooked–like all gangsters.
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          • Chris McKenna

            Nope. But is sure allows for it.

          • Josef Roesler

            As the old saying goes, just because you can suck a dick, doesn’t mean you should.

          • Chris McKenna

            That certainly elevated the discourse, didn’t it?

          • Josef Roesler

            Certainly better than continuing to assert your right to be a dick.

          • Chris McKenna

            And you wonder why cops continue to be held in such low regard. And, since your reading comprehension is sub-par, I never asserted MY right to be a dick, so it can’t be continuing. But I did point out that the US Constitution does allow for it.

          • Josef Roesler

            Another person who wants to tell me how to comprehend but has no understanding of the English language.

            Please look up personal pronoun second person plural. Thank you. So many people in here looking to flaunt their superiority over others and in the process make themselves look stupid.

          • Chris McKenna

            Context, moron, context. You were addressing me, so your attempt at deflection: fail.

          • Josef Roesler

            No, I was addressing YOU. No deflection, YOU just can’t follow. Your personal feelings led you astray.

            See how I did that? The first one was to a group, the second one was to the person I am talking to. Sorry you’re confused.

          • Nam Marine

            You should know pal !

          • Josef Roesler

            I’m sorry, Pal, I see you are desperate to get me to engage you, but it’s quite obvious what you are up to. It’s not going to happen. Find someone else to troll. I will not be replying to you again. Good day.

          • Nam Marine

            Right down to his level!

          • JdL

            Free speech does not require one to be a dick.

            Getting through the thick skulls of cops requires some brutally frank talk, or haven’t you noticed? Asking cops to pretty-please stop being murderous criminals has accomplished exactly nothing. I’m not convinced that even very direct words can get the job done, but if they can’t, the future doesn’t look very bright. For cops, I mean.

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, the context of that was within a forum, not with cops on the street. I’m sure you’re all wired up to get some cop killing done, but you’re not going to do it on a forum where people are having discussions, so you really don’t need to be a dick on a forum. You actually need to go outside if you wanna kill some cops and get your revolution kicked off. Unless you’re just an instigator on forums.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I wouldn’t be over confident about what you’re daring some to do. Cops ARE getting killed in the streets, often without apparent provocation. Unfortunately, the killing has begun. Cops are killing innocents too, but it’s no longer only a 1-way street.
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          • Josef Roesler

            I’m completely confident that blowhard internet commandos aren’t going to do anything, that’s why they’re here, because they are impotent. But you just reiterated why cops are such assholes on the streets. They never know which one of you is going to kill them next.

          • pinbalwyz

            Neither did the Nazis fighting the underground during the 3rd Reich. All the more reason to practice law enforcement as something you do WITH the community rather than TO it! Let there be a thousand points of light, and if it comes from the glint of daggers or lenses, so be it.

            If the words of the prophets on subway walls and tenement halls (or web sites) were as impotent as you suggest, people wouldn’t be getting arrested for them, nor would they be censored. The litmus test of how effective a strategy may be is how hysterically the power structure reacts to it.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Nice speech. You and I were talking about one person. Not subway tenement hall prophets.

          • Nam Marine

            You should know Peter !

          • pinbalwyz

            Au Contraire, often it does. Were free speech ‘popular’, it wouldn’t need the protection of the 1st Amendment.

            “Journalism is printing what someone doesn’t want published. Everything else is public relations.” -G. Orwell-

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          • Josef Roesler

            No, really, you don’t need to be a dick to get your point across, you just need to be literate and correct. Being a dick just makes people stop listening.

          • Paul Kisling

            So what do you recommend to change things? Elections by the people? LOL! Human nature precludes the success of that ideal..

          • Josef Roesler

            Well posting “Fuck the police” and “All pigs must die” and “You’re an idiot for having an opinion” certainly is not the way to go about it. That’s what I see the most of in forums. No, elections do nothing about individual cases. But half a million cop-haters making phone calls to and showing up to Chief’s and Sheriff’s offices does.

            I can guarantee you if my Chief was shown a video of me violating someone’s rights, I’d be on my way out. But he doesn’t dig around in cop-hating forums, so he wouldn’t likely know about it if that’s all that was done with the video.

          • Rail Car Fan

            “Josef Roesler” said in part…

            “If my Chief was shown a video of me violating someone’s rights, I’d be on my way out.”

            THAT may be true with YOUR Chief, but the problem is (as we have seen, not only on this web site, but other so called “anti-cop” sites, as you call them)… most of the time the “Badge Bully” cop just gets a slap on the hand and told “don’t get caught doing it again” (!) because if you do I’ll have to slap your other hand too!

            Being a cop today (and the mentality of approaching a situation) is completely different than it was years ago.

            Way back when/then a cop would investigate the situation and talk to all concerned before taking whatever action was needed to solve the problem.

            Now days a lot of cops come in heavy handed… crash, thrash and kick a$$ before even trying to find out what’s going on, then after realizing what they did was wrong the creatively arrest and write up their report to cover their butt!

            So please don’t give me this 99.9% of all cops are GOOD… and just a few are bad!

            Been there… done that.

            Rail Car Fan

          • Josef Roesler

            Well, seeing that there’s about 800,000 cops in the U.S. and you see a couple of hundred on these sites in an age when everyone has a camera, I’ll have to say the facts prove you wrong.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            Since we consider a good cop to be one that actively stops a bad cop from doing bad things, it would seem that there’s not much video of that available. Maybe you could point us to a few hundred examples of that happening.

          • Josef Roesler

            No, that’s your definition, a flawed one at that. A cop doesn’t have to stop another one to be good. With that logic, a cop who never sees another one do something wrong could never be good himself. Try again.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            Put another way, a cop who DOES see another cop violating a citizen’s rights, and doesn’t stop it, is a bad cop also.

          • Josef Roesler

            Of course, there’s no disputing that. But that’s not what you were arguing two hours ago.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            No, that’s in direct reply to your statement above.

          • Josef Roesler

            No, you changed your story:
            1. we consider a good cop to be one that actively stops a bad cop from doing bad things (who by definition can never be a good cop if he never see injustice)

            2. a cop who DOES see another cop violating a citizen’s rights, and doesn’t stop it, is a bad cop also.

            I’m sorry you’re confused but those are two different and opposing statements.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            I don’t see the opposition. It seems to me that it exists only in your attempt to control the conversation. Have fun.

          • Josef Roesler

            If that’s how you wanna spin it.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, now you’re splitting hairs and testing semantics. A cop who never saw another engaged in wrong doing would have to be blind. We all (at least those of us who are adults and lived in the barrio) know the truth is more akin to a bunch of scorpions in a bottle. None wants to sting the other and reap the consequences.
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          • Josef Roesler

            ” Citizens stand a much higher chance of dying by cop than hoodlum.” You’re just blatantly making things up now. Thousands of people are killed each year by non police criminals and you just implied that even more than that number are killed by cops. That’s just silly. Now you’re going to have this whole website full of cop-haters believing that cops kill more people than criminals do.

          • pinbalwyz

            Yes, it’s tr