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Aspiring Deputy Coming Under Fire for Vowing to Beat Citizens for the “Sheer Joy of It” (Updated III)

Redding

 

On one hand, Darren Redding has everything it takes to become a law enforcement officer. He is aggressive, has a military background and doesn’t think too highly of citizens expressing their First Amendment rights.

But on the other hand, he hasn’t learned to disguise that contempt with a veneer of “safety” as many experienced cops have learned to do when justifying their aggressive acts.

Because of that, his aspiring law enforcement career may come to an end before it even starts.

Nah, probably not. Just because he made threats on Facebook against Cop Block activists, unleashing a tirade of complaints against him to his future employer, the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office, doesn’t mean they won’t hire him.

But it does mean we will be able to track his career once he does get hired because judging by his comment, which is reposted below, he doesn’t exactly think things through, considering he had no qualms posting it under his real name.

Your page is pathetic and offensive. The pictures you post and the comments you make seem like you’re trying to incriminate and deface ALL police officers, when 99% of them are great at what they do, it’s the 1% you should be posting about, not the vast majority you pathetic, ignorant, liberal pussy.

You’re just like all the liberals striving for gun control because the actions of a few, insane individuals are fucking it up for the other 99% of gun owners who are responsible with their weapons.

Or let me put it into perspective for a drug using, liberal, hippy pussy like yourself: 99% of people who smoke pot do it responsibly and safely, but 1% of the people who use participate in violent crime, or crash their cars when theyre high and kill others or themselves, but I don’t see you posting about how ALL pot smokers should be punished.

If you were a law abiding citizen you wouldn’t have any problem with 5-0, but something tells me you were probably being a jackass towards a police officer and you got what was coming to you, and that inspired you to make a page giving a bad name to all law enforcement.

You might as well bad mouth the military and veterans like myself because of those marine scout snipers that pissed on some dead Taliban a few years back. According to your logic that means ALL active duty and veterans are heinous heathens right?

You’re a fucking bitch and I hope some cop beats your ass next time you’re “protesting” or filming them or whatever. In fact I’m about to start the training academy for the washoe county sheriffs dept in reno, Nevada and I can’t wait to deal with punk ass bitches like you. I would beat your fucking liberal ass just for the sheer joy of it.

Suck my fucking dick you waste of breathable air, you should have been aborted. But I guess your mother was a dumb ass waste of life like you. You’re the reason that there’s no hope for the human race, I can’t believe people like you exist, if I had my way, there would be another holocaust with camps and gas chambers full of fucking cunt scabs like you.

I hope you die”

His comment comes across more as a rant than a direct threat, but we’ve seen several cases of citizens ranting on Facebook, only to be arrested. In fact, just last week, a Photography is Not a Crime reader received a visit from the secret service after he stated in the comments section that he would like see President Obama assassinated.

After talking to him for a few minutes, they determined he had only been ranting and had no plans to follow through on his wishes.

But now it’s up to the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office to see if they will give Redding a chance to follow through on his wishes.

UPDATE: Redding sent the following messages to Cop Block, claiming it was a friend who made the comment, not him, pleading for them to remove the post, but now it’s being picked up by other websites.

I respectfully ask that you remove this post. Like i said in the message i just sent to you, i did not post this. i’m not exactly sure who did because i had several people at my house last night. I understand that the content of the post was un called for and very abusive, but now i am being harassed because of it. your followers have sent me death threats of their own, and have called the local law enforcement authorities on me. i was almost arrested today on suspicion of being a terrorist. your followers have been harassing my family members and my friends.

Like i said, what was said in that message was verbally abusive and on behalf of whoever wrote it, i apologize. but this has gone too far and im not just being harassed over the internet, the police are showing up at my door.

So i ask you again, respectfully, to please remove this post.

Thank you, Darren

This has gone too far. One of your followers is now posting my address for everyone to see. I really need you to delete his comment and this entire post please.

UPDATE II: The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office is claiming that Redding’s Facebook account was hacked, so it looks as if he’ll become a deputy after all.

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UPDATE III: The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office sent an email to Photography is Not a Crime, stating that at no time was it considering hiring Redding.

The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office would like to clarify that Mr. Redding is not a Deputy Recruit nor has he been considered for employment with our agency.

“The comments in this post are deplorable and not in keeping with the culture of the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office,” said Sheriff Mike Haley.

The Washoe County Sheriff’s Office is committed to providing the highest quality police service and protection to our community and we pride ourselves on hiring employees that embrace our mission to build public trust by fostering an environment of honesty, trust, and mutual respect.

We would appreciate it if you would correct your article to reflect that Mr. Redding is not a Deputy recruit for our agency.

If you need further information or have questions, please contact me at your earliest convenience.

Thank you and regards,

Tami Cummings

Community Relations, WCSO

About Carlos Miller

Carlos Miller is founder and publisher of Photography is Not a Crime, which began as a one-man blog in 2007 to document his trial after he was arrested for photographing police during a journalistic assignment. He is also the author of The Citizen Journalist's Photography Handbook, which can be purchased through Amazon.
  • Reno CCW

    Darren Redding sounds like a real charmer. I only hope that he gets just as much as he plans to give.

    • inquisitor

      I suggest he snuggle up often with the Kevlar with his style of public relations.

  • Fascist Slayer

    I don’t understand what the problem is with what he said, and I don’t understand what everyone is crying about? Massive surveillance of an entire nation and beyond, secret prisons, secret courts, secret laws, secret judges, secret police, secret interpretation
    of laws, secret list, secret hearings, secret evidence, secret wars, militarization of local police forces, declaration of martial law for unarmed suspects, the largest prison population on earth,
    internal spy drones, millions of internal domestic spies, internal checkpoints, street lamp post that listen in on conversations, mysterious boxes affixed to power polls doing only God knows what, mysterious black boxes now being mandated for all vehicles with Giant Monster car corporations stating that they “now know when everyone breaks the law”. Indefinite detention without charge or trial under NDAA, DHS hording billions of rounds of Ammo, TSA deployed onto public streets, propaganda media, a call for the arrest of journalist, children deemed and labeled terrorist for playing with certain toys, citizens being arrested, jailed and deemed suspected terrorist for openly filming law enforcement in public. citizens being detained and taken to area hospitals and given 8 cavity exams, X-Ray’s and Colonoscopies for minor traffic violations, Constitutional Free Zones, Free Speech Zones, votes being counted in dollars, not ballots, eugenics programs, endless wars, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. And now Americans are shocked and disturbed that military soldiers and law enforcement are calling to have citizens exterminated in ovens & gas chambers?? Really America? Really?? What do people expect in a Fascist nation, rainbows made out of Skittles?

    • inquisitor

      Your post is tyrannical poetry. Yes, but do you feel safe yet?

      You see, I learned some very valuable things about this back in 1998 and also what is going to go down in the US within the next ten future years.
      And it isn’t pretty.
      Which is why I now live abroad, deep in the quiet woods, self-sufficient…waiting.

      • Fascist Slayer

        Can I move in with you?

        • inquisitor

          HAHAHAHAHA……eh……no.

          • Fascist Slayer

            Please?

          • inquisitor

            Sorry bubba. No dice…now git!!
            (racks shotgun)

        • RavenWolf_LDR

          Before you can ask me, in the great words of my favorite cat.

      • Will

        Please elaborate on what you learned in 1998 and whats going to happen here.

      • RavenWolf_LDR

        I’m with ya on what’s gonna happen. I already have my deep woods, self-sufficient home. With all that I need including a blacksmith shop. I guess great minds think alike.

        • Funtimes

          You need to create a township of like minded, skilled individuals who can operate using an ad hoc system of native currency (to the township) so you can trade effectively without being reliant on any federal institution or tax system with the labor.

          • Difdi

            Any community large enough to be self-supporting in the long term is big enough to be invaded and conquered. Though the conquerors will likely call themselves law enforcement, not conquerors.

          • RavenWolf_LDR

            Not necessarily true, Difdi. The US state of Alaska is the least populated state and most of it is consider uninhabitable by the government. Same with the Yukon Territory and Northwest Territory of Canada. Off the grid communities do exist in these area for those strong enough and brave enough to deal with the conditions. They are large and very sparsely populated. Most villages in these place belong to Inuit (Eskimo) people with some non-native settlements. These would be the ideal areas for what Funtimes has suggested.

          • RavenWolf_LDR

            Would love to start an off-grid township, but nowhere in the lower 48. All lower 48 states and Hawaii are consider inhabitable. My husband and I love roughing it and have learned to live off-grid to the point of being able to make our own electricity if needs be. The ideal areas for what you are talking about would be places such as Alaska in the US or the Yukon and Northwest Territories in Canada. They are consider mostly uninhabitable to uninhabitable depending on where you set this up. For a township to exist in these areas, you would need a group of tough people who know how to live of the land, make their own creature comforts, not mind living miles (perhaps 100s of miles) from civilization, not mind extreme weather conditions (as winters can get rough), hunt and grow your own food, and be able set to mutually set boundaries, trade, and rules that all can live by with a group elected council of elders that is changed very frequently. If your interested in trying to set something like this up, then get a hold of me at ecofriendlycountrygirl@gmail.com

        • Herbert Napp

          You’re fortunate enough to have built up a sizable income enough to do that. Some of us are young and just started working and can’t even fathom something like this. I really hate the finger wagging I get from preppers who have money to burn. I really don’t want to hear about how cheap it WASN’T either. God. Done venting, hope you don’t take offense.

          • inquisitor

            I was homeless at age 13 for an entire year.
            Enough of the poverty consciousness.

          • RavenWolf_LDR

            No offense taken. I would never tell how cheap it wasn’t because it was cheap as shit. My prepper place is in the least populated state in the US. so they paid me to move there and didn’t even ask my exact residence. They didn’t even ask if I live there full-time or part-time. Just asked that I get a state I.D. which I used a rental place for. Then the state started to pay me for living there. The state is called Alaska. After I found and made a homemade map of my deep woods location, my husband and I built the place with what we had. Almost no money at all. You just got to be use to living off the grid, hunting for your own food, know how far the nearest Inuit village is for trading, not mind extreme weather conditions, and not mind complete darkness for 6 months out of the year. Also helps to have a pilot’s license too. Canada has a lot of places like that too in the Yukon Territory and The Northwest Territory. Just move in and settle in the middle of nowhere away from everyone.

  • Jeff D

    Sounds just like the kind of Gestapo a-hole who will be willing to implement NDAA for his masters under the guise of ” I’m just following orders ” – what a testosterone laden neanderthal – just what we need to “protect and serve”

    • Difdi

      Is it any wonder the dark side gets so many converts? The light side only has tofu…

  • Alma Lovell

    IMO this isn’t something PINAC should even be writing an article about. This guys isn’t a police officer, he isn’t in the academy and there is no evidence whatsoever of any illegal actions by him.
    At this point he is simply a private citizen expressing his 1st Amendment rights.
    I sincerely hope PINAC isn’t going down the path of “liberal media” who seeks to destroy others based on disagreeable things they say.
    There are currently hundreds of videos out there on Youtube right now of police abusing photographer rights. Do a story on one of those videos. Not this type of garbage “reporting”.

    • ARtP

      It’s lovely when future cops display this mindset, “You’re a fucking bitch and I hope some cop beats your ass next time you’re “protesting” or filming them or whatever.”

    • Brandon Ellis

      The thing about dictating what others want to write on the internet is that it doesn’t work, at all. If you don’t like the content, don’t read it, nobody’s got a gun to your head.

      • inquisitor

        …except the cops should you open carry while fishing.

        • Daniel

          Actually, fishing is one of the few times I do carry. Damn city people come here on weekends and act like crazed fools.

        • Rail Car Fan

          That’s in Florida… right..!!..?

          Rail Car Fan

    • Unity Nowe

      Alma, yes, let’s just wait until he gets hired, goes insane on someone, kills them, and then, IF the victim is lucky enough that it was all caught on film, report it, eh? An ounce of prevention , I say !

    • inquisitor

      It is very relevant when you consider the militarization of the police and where today’s cops are coming from…mentally. Because there is going to be more and more of them out there. Gives people a good profile into the dark recesses of the highly disturbed psychopathic mind that you will be phoning to come over to your house and “help” you after you dial 911. Only to wonder why, as a victim of a home robbery, your family is now lying dead on your living room floor.

      • Will

        They join the US military when theyre young and idealistic, they go overseas, learn to murder, rape, harass, plant false evidence, protect drug cartels, etc. then they get brain injuries/damage and are shipped back home, where they then become police officers, using every terrorist tactic they learned in Iraq or Afghanistan against the American People.

        The United States military and police forces are the largest terrorist recruitment and training programs on the face of the Earth.

    • jcfromnj

      I think that PINAC needs to determine that this is in fact genuine. IF it is, it’s Party Time !

    • Paul Kisling

      That is right. Lets wait until he actually does something violent before we do anything. That always helps. Oh wait that is what the cops did in Castle Rock V Gonzalez.!!!!!!

    • Will

      Threatening to violently assault someone IS an illegal action. And someone training to be a cop would know this, which means he willingly and flagrantly broke the law, and planned on using government power and resources to assault innocent people in the future.

    • Fotaugrafee

      Think of it as preventative maintenance. First Amendment rights are one thing, but when you express beliefs like this guy just did, you have NO RIGHT being a cop.

    • JdL

      IMO this isn’t something PINAC should even be writing an article about.

      Who the heck are you to make pronouncements about what PINAC “should” be writing an article about? Send us a link to YOUR blog, where YOU can make the rules, eh?

      Carlos, thanks for including this story on your site.

  • Irony_Tag

    It certainly doesn’t seem look like he has the temperament to be a police officer, or any public facing position.

  • Jason Blankenship

    Doesn’t look like the Washoe County Sheriff’s FB page has been updated in several years. I’d look into contacting them through their official website:

    http://www.washoesheriff.com/

  • Josef Roesler

    While this guy is obviously out of control and has no idea how to act maturely and with reason, and does not belong in the police force, I agree with the point he is trying to make. I believe the owner of PINAC is a cop-hater and is trying to smear all of law enforcement and loves fomenting an environment of hate toward the police within the citizenry. He does post many damning videos that show cops breaking the law, and I applaud him for that, but he has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones. He has no interest showing any cops in a good light when they actually take their oath seriously. He can’t do that because that would confuse his cop-hating following.

    • Brandon Ellis

      You assume too much and think way too little.

      • Josef Roesler

        Nothing was assumed little girl. Is that all you had to contribute?

        • Adolph Schumer

          If it was she hit the nail on the head, little boy.

          • Josef Roesler

            What is it she nailed? What did I assume? Everything I said’s been documented.

          • Brandon Ellis

            No, what you ranted about was your own biased opinion. The validity of your entire argument isn’t based on facts, so you are assuming. Childish insults are a good indicator of how weak your position is. You wouldn’t happen to be a cop would you? It would explain a lot.

          • Josef Roesler

            It was my opinion, which is based on my factual experience that you obviously aren’t aware of. There were no childish insults in my OP, however, you did reply to me derogatorily, to which I replied in kind.Your opinion as well, of course.

          • Brandon Ellis

            A factual opinion, eh? Learn something new every day, I suppose. You don’t just get to type something and make it so. You invite people to tell you to use your brain more often when you do foolish things, like accusing a journalist writing a blog about police accountability of being a cop hater just trying to rouse his cop-hating following.

          • Josef Roesler

            An opinion can’t be based on fact, you say…Good day.

          • Paul Kisling

            So what if the owner of Pinac is cop hating?? He has that right if he wants to.
            He has broken NO LAWS!
            The police on the other hand are being filmed BREAKING THE LAW!

            That is the cool thing about America.
            You can hate someone and not break the law.
            However you cannot be a cop and break the law. Sorry boys.

          • Josef Roesler

            You’re correct.

          • pinbalwyz

            It’s not enough to merely OBEY Big Brother…one must LOVE Big Brother.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

        • nick

          You assumed that the person was talking to PINAC, when he was talking to Cop Block.

          • Josef Roesler

            Oh, are we not on the PINAC website right now? I sure thought we were when I made that comment referring to the article posted on the PINAC website. Sorry.

          • nick

            You said “this guy” and “the point he is trying to make.” That makes it clear you’re talking about Redding. The point Redding is trying to make doesn’t refer to Carlos at PINAC.

          • Josef Roesler

            Dude, you have comprehension problems. Two different things there. I didn’t say anything about Redding referencing PINAC.

          • elizabee

            “I agree with the point he is trying to make. <–(Redding) I believe the owner of PINAC (Carlos) is a cop-hater and is trying to smear all of law enforcement" …your words. I guess it is true, cops really are that damn dumb.

          • Josef Roesler

            You’re calling someone dumb when you can’t understand what I wrote. Two different things there. One thing’s about a guy who wrote a rant. The other thing is about a guy who runs a similar website to the one the other guy ranted on. Two different things. Stop trying to insult someone with your intelligence when you have none.

          • Nam Marine

            You sound like a dip shit to me pal!

        • Brad Wesley

          List of assumptions:

          A. “The owner of PINAC is a cop-hater”
          B. “Loves fomenting an environment of hate toward the police”
          C. “Has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones”

          • Josef Roesler

            List of opinions:

            A. “The owner of PINAC is a cop-hater”
            B. “Loves fomenting an environment of hate toward the police”
            C. “Has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones”

            You assume my opinions are assumptions.

    • Trace Morris

      well i can whole heartedly say that as an american citizen,alot of cops have this mindset.it is ridiculous and i actually messaged mr redding and told him what i thought of him,as well as what i thought of the police force and the military as a whole.we all have our right to an opinion.

      • Josef Roesler

        You are correct, we do have a right to our opinion. Our employers also have the right to not hire or fire us for this type of behavior. This guy is not police material. But most are not like this.

        • Patrick Henry,The2nd

          Most aren’t, but many are. And even worse, the good ones don’t stop the bad ones.

          Once A) fellow cops stop them and arrest them, and B) cops go to jail for crimes, cops will be better respected.

          Until then, they have to deal with the hate.

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, that has nothing to do with my OP.

            But you must have missed the many articles recently of cops being busted (by cops) for these things. I know, it doesn’t matter, they are still all wrong in your eyes.

        • Paul Kisling

          Unfortunately the ‘most’ protect the ‘least’ in the police world. That makes them dirtier than the ‘least’.

          • Josef Roesler

            You do have the right to that opinion.

        • Will

          And most drug users are not violent criminals. Neither are most black men. Neither are most gun-owners. But theyre ALL treated like they are. BY COPS.

          Remember the Golden Rule buddy! Were all just treating cops the same way they treat us citizens.

          • Josef Roesler

            Well, when you go to work, do you worry that every time you talk to someone they may try to kill you? Maybe when all the criminals follow the Golden Rule, cops will too.

          • pinbalwyz

            The best (overall) protection a cop can have is the support of their community. But, when they treat their neighbors as the ‘enemy’, they’ll be perceived as the enemy in turn. If cops generalize, people will generalize about them. It’s a fundamental quid pro quo.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            I suppose when part of a cop’s job description no longer includes”getting murdered.” they might stop seeing the people they work for as the enemy. If I knew one person I meet today might murder me, it’s kind of stupid to think I won’t generalize for the rest of the day.

          • anon

            The golden rule is to treat other people the way that you want to be treated. Treating other people the way they treat you is called revenge.

        • twolf1920

          I agree. Here’s a true story: A bunch if us are speeding on our motorcycles last year, and we were pulled over by a local sheriff…. I mean we were SPEEDING. I belong to a motorcycle club. Long story short, the cop ended up coming on several of our club rides later that year. The fact is most are just people like you or me that have a job to do. But there are some that need to be removed from their job because they are menaces!

        • Nam Marine

          Says you?

    • Carlos_Miller

      Josef, when the good cops start exposing the bad cops, I’ll be one of the first reporters on it.

      • Josef Roesler

        We’ve already been through that, you have no interest in working with the good cops on this. I’ve tried. You refused. You are merely a hate-monger.

        • Carlos_Miller

          Josef, I appreciate you, as a cop, coming in here and voicing your opinions. And I’ll always welcome you here.

          But you have to admit, you are trying to debate me as a biased cop.

          That’s understandable but it also does not allow you to see me as anything more than a “cop hater” because I’m not posting enough positive stories.

          I’m not a cop hater but I am pretty jaded because of my personal experiences as well as the stories that come across my desk everyday.

          • Josef Roesler

            I’m not a biased cop. I’m a Constitutionalist who happens to be a law abiding cop. I’m also embarrassed by the behavior of these jackholes you report on. Dirty cops do me no good. And I do what I can to make change in the system, not merely by sensationalism.

            I have officers in my own department who have some of this misguided dumbass mentality. I do what I can to educate them. I do what I can to educate their bosses.

          • Carlos_Miller

            Fair enough, Josef, You’re doing your thing. I’m doing my thing.

            You might accuse me of “sensationalism,” but everything I write is factual.

            Much more than I can say for a huge portion of arrest reports written by police.

          • Josef Roesler

            You might remember that I didn’t accuse you of sensationalism, I was referring to the photographers who post and don’t act. I understand you’re just passing it along. In my eyes, you’re doing more than the original photographer.

          • Carlos_Miller

            It boils down to this. We are going through a transition in society where citizens are more empowered than ever because of cameras and the internet, and they are using that power to weed out the bad cops or in this case, the potentially bad future cops.

            As a cop, the only you can really do is remain true to your oath and try to advise fellow cops to do the same.

            Those that do remain true to their oath have nothing to worry about. Those that don’t have nobody to blame but themselves once they are exposed.

            The transition has just begun and it’s gaining way too much momentum for you or any other cop to stop it by simply accusing us of being “cop haters,” which used to work before these videos opened the eyes of many Americans.

            What’s happening now, Josef, is that Americans who used to have tons of respect for police have lost that respect, not because of what I write, but because of the videos I post, which allows them to see things for themselves.

            These same Americans are picking up their cameras and walking into city halls and police departments and demanding transparency and accountability.

            And that’s just going to continue happening until police become immune to our cameras. But that’s going to take years, if it ever happens.

          • Josef Roesler

            I didn’t call you cop-haters to get you to stop. I’m glad you’re doing it. Wasn’t my point. Point is, cop-haters don’t make change, they just yell a lot and throw insults around if you say something they don’t like. Real mature. Not very helpful when you’re trying to change government.

          • inquisitor

            I disagree with your assessment and I support free speech.

          • Josef Roesler

            Free speech does not require one to be a dick.

          • Elliott Whitlow

            That depends on your definition of “being a dick”.. Refusing to follow unlawful orders? Refusing to identify when not required? Refusing to move 2 blocks away? What?
            I tend to get “unpleasant” when I am ORDERED to do something that I cannot be ordered to do. That is about the quickest way to get me to go from pleasant to unpleasant. Are there good cops, sure there are but its hard to accept they are the majority. You should also keep in mind that I count cops who see inappropriate behavior and do nothing about it as bad cops.

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, I don’t blame you, but that had nothing to do with my comment.

          • lberns

            After witnessing the slow roll out of the police state and the evil committed in the name of the “law” over the last 20 years, I never give costumed state mercenary fuckers the benefit of the doubt anymore, Josef.

          • Josef Roesler

            And all the more reason they’re so aggressive when they get out of the car. They are much more aware of the cop hating mentality they have to deal with now. It’s escalating on both sides. That doesn’t make it right.

          • lberns

            Don’t make excuses, jackboot. No one is putting a gun to their heads to be abusive thugs.

          • Josef Roesler

            I didn’t make any excuse. I gave you a reason. In your cop-hating selective reading, you neglected to understand I said it was not right.

          • lberns

            It’s not hate, it is zero respect. I have no respect for any organization who’s only “authority” is achieved via the barrel of a gun. You are no more legitimate than that legal fiction you work for. I gave up the superstitious belief that anyone has the legitimate right and authority to rule anyone just like I gave up the superstitious belief in Santa Claus. To me, you are nothing more than a hire mercenary for the most violent gang of thugs on the planet. There is nothing about what you do for a living, or believe, that I even remotely respect.

          • Josef Roesler

            Good thing I don’t need your respect. Sounds like hate to me though. You sound very angry. Hope you can control yourself if you ever have to deal with cops in person.

          • inquisitor

            More copspeak.

            Got ID?

          • lberns

            No, I hate bullies, you worthless fucking parasite.

            BTW – A couple more of your colleagues have gotten away with murder yet again (surprise, surprise):

            http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/01/13/fullerton-cops-found-guilty-beating-death-homeless-mentally-ill-man/

          • Josef Roesler

            And there it is. Insults. You don’t like what someone else has to say, you just turn into a caveman. I’ve done you no harm and championed your cause, yet you curse and insult me. Fine example.

          • lberns

            Your “service” is provided via the barrel of a gun. If I don’t want your “service” and I refuse to pay for it, you will come, with your gun, to throw me into a cage. If I resist, you will shoot me. In my book, that makes you a fucking parasite that cannot be trusted, ever. Want to be a champion for the “cause?” Quit!

            Message to Police – Josie Outlaw

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOsN-P5abVg

          • Josef Roesler

            OK video. She seems to be confusing immoral orders and illegal orders. What constitutes immoral orders is based on someone’s opinion, not on the law. It’s not up to a some hippie to tell a cop what laws he thinks should be enforced because of the hippie’s morals.

            There’s two options for people like you since you hate the system so much here. Find a new country that you think treats you better or start a revolution. But you haven’t done either, have you? You just like to rant on cop-hating websites. Maybe you should kick off your revolution by storming a police station and seeing how many you can take out? Or you can just keep insulting me. On a forum.

          • lberns

            WOOOSH! It comes as no surprise that the whole point of the vid went right over your stupid fascist pointy head. Feel free to start crushing skulls now.

            And mother fuck you and your “love it or leave it” logical fallacy.

          • Josef Roesler

            Lovely.

          • pinbalwyz

            Exactly. Why would anyone who loves America leave it? Let those who would pervert it leave–NOW!
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          • pinbalwyz

            Grrrr! And it isn’t up to some half baked poorly trained viciously violent cop (4 months?) who has never read/understood the Constitution (or their oath to uphold it) to pound a citizen into the pavement for petitioning their government!…or photographing them doing so!
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          • Josef Roesler

            No, it’s not. What’s that got to do with what I said? Grr.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, if you’re a hog being transported to the slaughterhouse, all butchers look alike. Do we talk of ‘good’ Nazis vs. ‘bad’ Nazis? At some tipping point, all Nazis become hated. Trying to persuade a Jew you, et al, are one of the ‘good’ Nazis is comical…or tragic–take your pick.
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          • Josef Roesler

            I’ve already answered you on this subject several times and I really have no idea why chose this message to reply to as your reply makes no sense in the context.. Are you just randomly replying to me with the same message??

          • Nam Marine

            No you don’t ! You would love a confrontation !

          • pinbalwyz

            Cops who cannot rise above the current antipathy many citizens feel toward them cannot be effective LEO’s.

            It’s like Ben Franklin said, “When the people are afraid of the government…that’s tyranny. When the government is afraid of the people…that’s liberty!”
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          • Josef Roesler

            Antipathy is not violence. You might have to deal with antipathy at work, cops have to deal with violence. And people like Iberns are a real threat. A cop who doesn’t realize that many of the people he works for want to kill him is an ineffective LEO. What did Franklin say about cop killers?

          • pinbalwyz

            Franklin spoke in more general terms such as his famous, “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it!” Franklin worried as much about the corruption in the people as the government. My personal experience confirms he was onto something important.
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          • Josef Roesler

            So again, you’re preaching, but not about what you replied to…

          • Chris Olin

            I know this response is a little late, but I just saw your response and I felt like replying to it.

            Police officers have a job to do and I’m fully aware that the first amendment makes it difficult for them to do it. It’s a Catch 22 giving up some of your First Amendment rights when an officer unlawfully orders you to identify yourself or move two blocks away.

            I weigh each situation individually. Yes, an officer shouldn’t lie and expect me to give up one of my First Amendment rights, but at the same time, by doing so, I could be assisting them in investigating a serious crime that would otherwise take them longer to investigate because I refuse to give up my rights.

            Personally, I believe the rights were written into the Constitution with good intentions. The word “right” gives each individual the ability to relinquish that right if they deem it necessary. The problem is that it seems the majority of law enforcement officers intimidate people into giving up that right instead of letting of make that judgement call for themselves.

          • Elliott Whitlow

            The first amendment does not make it hard, please specify how that makes it hard?

            It isn’t a catch 22, you have rights they have powers, rights trump powers in all cases except for the noted exception, PERIOD.

            I don’t give up rights, I might be willing in SOME cases to back up some, but not far and I will ABSOLUTELY not back up any further than ANY other bystander without a camera.

            Now, its simple, I will provide the video to ANYONE who *asks*, but they can have a COPY, I will retain the device and the original.

            Now, your last paragraph is largely true, if I chose to bend some I will make that decision myself. I will not be bullied into it.

          • inquisitor

            Being a cop does not require one to be a dick.

            Oh…wait a minute…strike that.

          • Josef Roesler

            I thought you said you were leaving…but yes, cops don’t have to be dicks. I agree with you.

          • inquisitor

            I thought you said you would no longer deal with me.
            But you didn’t uphold that.
            So…

          • Josef Roesler

            See, here’s an example of the mentality of the cop haters, you can’t win with them. You ignore their insults, they say they’ll stop trolling you, you agree with them, they still got issues.

            So your statement you were going to stop trolling me was a test to see if you could bait me into another reply? Clever. You win.

          • inquisitor

            Bad cops still out there, more arriving, militarized police state growing, middle class dissipating, economy purposefully being shut down…no one wins…we all lose

          • Josef Roesler

            All true.

            Be vocal about it to the police administrators. Vote out the radical left and the RINOs.

          • twolf1920

            I served in the USAF Pre Gulf War as a Law Enforcement Specialist, and can say with all honesty, that the majority of the men and women I served with cared about being professional on and off their jobs. Most treated the other men and women they encountered with respect and courtesy. However, there were some who I believe if they didn’t have badges, would have been criminals.

          • Josef Roesler

            It’s always been said there’s a fine line between criminals and cops. It’s becoming blurred, unfortunately.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, finally!–an opinion I can unreservedly support.
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          • pinbalwyz

            Many cops are attracted to dealing with criminal behavior, but didn’t have the chutzpah to join a ‘gang’. So, they joined their local police force–a gang with bigger sticks, its own ‘colors’, and better funded. But, it’s the thrill of the fight that got them hooked–like all gangsters.
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          • Chris McKenna

            Nope. But is sure allows for it.

          • Josef Roesler

            As the old saying goes, just because you can suck a dick, doesn’t mean you should.

          • Chris McKenna

            That certainly elevated the discourse, didn’t it?

          • Josef Roesler

            Certainly better than continuing to assert your right to be a dick.

          • Chris McKenna

            And you wonder why cops continue to be held in such low regard. And, since your reading comprehension is sub-par, I never asserted MY right to be a dick, so it can’t be continuing. But I did point out that the US Constitution does allow for it.

          • Josef Roesler

            Another person who wants to tell me how to comprehend but has no understanding of the English language.

            Please look up personal pronoun second person plural. Thank you. So many people in here looking to flaunt their superiority over others and in the process make themselves look stupid.

          • Chris McKenna

            Context, moron, context. You were addressing me, so your attempt at deflection: fail.

          • Josef Roesler

            No, I was addressing YOU. No deflection, YOU just can’t follow. Your personal feelings led you astray.

            See how I did that? The first one was to a group, the second one was to the person I am talking to. Sorry you’re confused.

          • Nam Marine

            You should know pal !

          • Josef Roesler

            I’m sorry, Pal, I see you are desperate to get me to engage you, but it’s quite obvious what you are up to. It’s not going to happen. Find someone else to troll. I will not be replying to you again. Good day.

          • Nam Marine

            Right down to his level!

          • JdL

            Free speech does not require one to be a dick.

            Getting through the thick skulls of cops requires some brutally frank talk, or haven’t you noticed? Asking cops to pretty-please stop being murderous criminals has accomplished exactly nothing. I’m not convinced that even very direct words can get the job done, but if they can’t, the future doesn’t look very bright. For cops, I mean.

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, the context of that was within a forum, not with cops on the street. I’m sure you’re all wired up to get some cop killing done, but you’re not going to do it on a forum where people are having discussions, so you really don’t need to be a dick on a forum. You actually need to go outside if you wanna kill some cops and get your revolution kicked off. Unless you’re just an instigator on forums.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I wouldn’t be over confident about what you’re daring some to do. Cops ARE getting killed in the streets, often without apparent provocation. Unfortunately, the killing has begun. Cops are killing innocents too, but it’s no longer only a 1-way street.
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          • Josef Roesler

            I’m completely confident that blowhard internet commandos aren’t going to do anything, that’s why they’re here, because they are impotent. But you just reiterated why cops are such assholes on the streets. They never know which one of you is going to kill them next.

          • pinbalwyz

            Neither did the Nazis fighting the underground during the 3rd Reich. All the more reason to practice law enforcement as something you do WITH the community rather than TO it! Let there be a thousand points of light, and if it comes from the glint of daggers or lenses, so be it.

            If the words of the prophets on subway walls and tenement halls (or web sites) were as impotent as you suggest, people wouldn’t be getting arrested for them, nor would they be censored. The litmus test of how effective a strategy may be is how hysterically the power structure reacts to it.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Nice speech. You and I were talking about one person. Not subway tenement hall prophets.

          • Nam Marine

            You should know Peter !

          • pinbalwyz

            Au Contraire, often it does. Were free speech ‘popular’, it wouldn’t need the protection of the 1st Amendment.

            “Journalism is printing what someone doesn’t want published. Everything else is public relations.” -G. Orwell-

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          • Josef Roesler

            No, really, you don’t need to be a dick to get your point across, you just need to be literate and correct. Being a dick just makes people stop listening.

          • Paul Kisling

            So what do you recommend to change things? Elections by the people? LOL! Human nature precludes the success of that ideal..

          • Josef Roesler

            Well posting “Fuck the police” and “All pigs must die” and “You’re an idiot for having an opinion” certainly is not the way to go about it. That’s what I see the most of in forums. No, elections do nothing about individual cases. But half a million cop-haters making phone calls to and showing up to Chief’s and Sheriff’s offices does.

            I can guarantee you if my Chief was shown a video of me violating someone’s rights, I’d be on my way out. But he doesn’t dig around in cop-hating forums, so he wouldn’t likely know about it if that’s all that was done with the video.

          • Rail Car Fan

            “Josef Roesler” said in part…

            “If my Chief was shown a video of me violating someone’s rights, I’d be on my way out.”

            THAT may be true with YOUR Chief, but the problem is (as we have seen, not only on this web site, but other so called “anti-cop” sites, as you call them)… most of the time the “Badge Bully” cop just gets a slap on the hand and told “don’t get caught doing it again” (!) because if you do I’ll have to slap your other hand too!

            Being a cop today (and the mentality of approaching a situation) is completely different than it was years ago.

            Way back when/then a cop would investigate the situation and talk to all concerned before taking whatever action was needed to solve the problem.

            Now days a lot of cops come in heavy handed… crash, thrash and kick a$$ before even trying to find out what’s going on, then after realizing what they did was wrong the creatively arrest and write up their report to cover their butt!

            So please don’t give me this 99.9% of all cops are GOOD… and just a few are bad!

            Been there… done that.

            Rail Car Fan

          • Josef Roesler

            Well, seeing that there’s about 800,000 cops in the U.S. and you see a couple of hundred on these sites in an age when everyone has a camera, I’ll have to say the facts prove you wrong.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            Since we consider a good cop to be one that actively stops a bad cop from doing bad things, it would seem that there’s not much video of that available. Maybe you could point us to a few hundred examples of that happening.

          • Josef Roesler

            No, that’s your definition, a flawed one at that. A cop doesn’t have to stop another one to be good. With that logic, a cop who never sees another one do something wrong could never be good himself. Try again.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            Put another way, a cop who DOES see another cop violating a citizen’s rights, and doesn’t stop it, is a bad cop also.

          • Josef Roesler

            Of course, there’s no disputing that. But that’s not what you were arguing two hours ago.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            No, that’s in direct reply to your statement above.

          • Josef Roesler

            No, you changed your story:
            1. we consider a good cop to be one that actively stops a bad cop from doing bad things (who by definition can never be a good cop if he never see injustice)

            2. a cop who DOES see another cop violating a citizen’s rights, and doesn’t stop it, is a bad cop also.

            I’m sorry you’re confused but those are two different and opposing statements.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            I don’t see the opposition. It seems to me that it exists only in your attempt to control the conversation. Have fun.

          • Josef Roesler

            If that’s how you wanna spin it.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, now you’re splitting hairs and testing semantics. A cop who never saw another engaged in wrong doing would have to be blind. We all (at least those of us who are adults and lived in the barrio) know the truth is more akin to a bunch of scorpions in a bottle. None wants to sting the other and reap the consequences. Yet the federal criminal justice system is built on a foundation of mandated snitching. Those who won’t are given longer sentences. The purpose is to destroy the targeted network of associates, instill fear/paranoia and distrust. Why should cops be given a pass? They should be held to the same standards, if anything, because they are even more pernicious than the civilian criminal element. Citizens stand a much higher chance of dying by cop than hoodlum.
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          • Josef Roesler

            ” Citizens stand a much higher chance of dying by cop than hoodlum.” You’re just blatantly making things up now. Thousands of people are killed each year by non police criminals and you just implied that even more than that number are killed by cops. That’s just silly. Now you’re going to have this whole website full of cop-haters believing that cops kill more people than criminals do.

          • pinbalwyz

            Yes, it’s true. A US citizen stands (statistically) a higher chance of being killed by a cop than a hoodlum. The critical difference is the hoodlums will usually bear the consequences, the cops won’t.
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          • Josef Roesler

            I’d like to see the study that generated those statistics because a thing that never happens cannot be statistically likely. What is your source for this?

          • BC MotoGuy

            you seriously arent paying attention are you Josef. There are many many sites and incidents far beyond ‘a couple hundred’. Thankfully standards are higher where I live, and most are ‘good’ cops (not actually good by our definition, as below). It’s the Blue Wall that is the real problem up here. Open your eyes – http://filmingcops.com/ copblock sites and on and on. Tragic stuff.

          • Josef Roesler

            Sure thing, I’ll give you a couple of thousand miscreants out of 800,000. That’s .0025. Astonishing!

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, the number of actual miscreant cops caught on video and posted on Youtube is only the tip of the iceberg. The dissembling here is the claim these are ‘rogue’ cops when the truth is they are the norm. MOST cops lie under oath and in their sworn written statements. How do I know? Because I read the reports, know what actually happened, and don’t believe I’m one of God’s chosen ones or my experiences are unique–far from it. Cops, in general, have a well deserved reputation that precedes them which they worked very hard to achieve. Now, those chickens have come home to roost.
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          • Josef Roesler

            How is it you are personally involved in so many police incidents? Most people I know have never in their lives even met a cop, yet you, a single person have been personally involved in numerous crimes where a report was generated. That is even more amazing than your fact that a person is more likely to be killed by a cop than a criminal. Keep em coming man, this is incredible!

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, you say most people you know have never, in their lives, even met a cop? Where do you live?–in a a graveyard?…Somalia? ‘Numerous crimes’? I’m not certain about your area, but here, police respond to all kinds of situation, write tickets which are ‘infractions’, not crimes, and, of course, cite people for crimes the accused didn’t commit. How do they manage to accomplish this?–well, it helps if they lie a lot, so they do. Are you calling *ME* a liar, Goombah??!@ I’m a paralegal. I read court documents for a living…including police reports. I have defended myself on many occasions because lawyers often (at least the ones I can afford) don’t do such a hot job. As a matter of fact, I’ve NEVER lost a case where I represented myself. Lawyers?–well, the Spanish have a proverb: “It’s better to be a mouse in a cat’s mouth than a client in the hands of an attorney.” My own experience bears that out. Carlos will figure it out too, eventually.

            Your thinly veiled innuendo sounds a lot like “Catsup is a vetetable” Ed Meese, Reagan’s Attorney General…the top law enforcement official in the U.S., who said people stand in soup lines because the food is free, and people wouldn’t be sitting as defendants in a courtroom if they hadn’t done something–inter alia, they MUST be guilty of something or why are they there? Never mind the presumption of innocence in law…too many adopted Ed Meese’s prejudices…and yours? You’re looking through the wrong end of the telescope, Josef. The fact I’ve been wrongfully accused more than a couple of times speaks to the amount of lying that required by DA’s and their cohorts (cops) rather than conclusive evidence I must be a ‘career criminal’.

            You can make ham handed innuendos, but I do have you at a disadvantage. I was there, you weren’t. Nor do I presume people who have been arrested or are on trial are guilty of anything. I’ve seen far too many examples of miscarriages of justice, incompetent judges, ambitious prosecutors, lying cops, jail house snitches, erratic eye witnesses, and biased juries to make such presumptions. I presume the accused is INNOCENT. Often enough, they are! It’s the cops who can’t accept that concept who feel compelled to plant evidence, lie under oath and in their written reports, and bully people into false confessions.

            “And on the 8th day, the Lord said, ‘Let there be cameras!’ And there were, and He saw that it was Good.” And on that day, there rose a great cry of joy from the oppressed, from the sat upon, the spat upon, and the ratted on. Let the sword of truth and the glare of publicity lay low those who would devour the innocent to feed their own wickedness.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Why would I need to live in Somalia? The people I know have never been in trouble with the law, so why would they have ever had contact with a cop?

            “Goombah??!@ I’m a paralegal. I read court documents for a living…including police reports.”

            There we go with the insults..you got your feelings hurt .Anyway, reading lots of reports does not qualify you as having first hand knowledge of the incidents as you have stated. Being in trouble all the time, that does qualify you. What was the innuendo? If you’re in trouble with the law all the time, you’re in trouble with the law all the time. No innuendo there. If it quacks, it’s a duck. If you don’t want people thinking you get arrested a lot, don’t be telling people you get arrested a lot. Maybe if you said it in Latin, they wouldn’t know…

            Before I became a cop, I was never once accused of something I didn’t do by the police. Don’t know anyone who ever was either.

            But then you do live where cops are committing THOUSANDS of murders a year, so I guess it’s to be expected.

            What does “Catsup is a vetetable” have to do with anything Ed Meese said? You’re really rambling.

          • pinbalwyz

            The thinly veiled innuendo you used suggest ‘guilt’ by association/arrest. Unchallenged, that prejudice allows cops to become judges and executioners merely by arresting/citing someone. Many judges have never met a cop they didn’t like. People must realize cops lie a great deal of the time to reclaim their government and its processes. Just because a cop said something, doesn’t make it true. Yet that’s the assumption too many have.

            Whether your neighbors/associates have ever met a cop they didn’t like has no bearing on my assertion: Cops LIE! Today, too many know it for it to be a secret any longer. Who would have believed Rodney King if there hadn’t been a video camera on hand witnessing the entire beat down by a coterie of cops? Thank God for the inexpensive technology available to the people today if they’d simply develop the discipline to USE it more often.

            As an aside, I’d rather live in the streets of Detroit than a neighborhood full of people who think cops never lie and characterize trumped up charges as ‘being in trouble’.

            Dr. Martin Luther King, jr. was ‘in trouble’ as he sat in the Birmingham Jail, I suppose. The Church I was raised in resented his being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and characterized him (since he’d been ‘in trouble’) as a common criminal! Of course, the same Church taught blacks were dark skinned as punishment by God for not being more ‘valiant’ in the pre-existence. They were descendents of Cain, the Church said. i.e. It taught a racist theology. Blacks could join, but were not allowed (at that time) to hold the priesthood. Later, the head of the Church said he got a phone call direct from God notifying him of changing His mind.

            I’m of a mind that ‘being in trouble’ may be a blessing. People ‘in trouble’ often get things done, create change, serve as counselors/tutors to others. The folks who claim they’ve never been in trouble or met a cop?–not so much. :)
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          • Josef Roesler

            There was no thinly veiled innuendo. I said what I thought. You might want to call it thinly veiled innuendo so you have some kind of cause to cry about. You apparently have been arrested numerous times and you are what is known in the system as a “criminal” so don’t cry to me if you are labeled that way.

          • pinbalwyz

            The public is well aware of the police inclination for profiling/labeling. All one need do is listen to one of the scanner channels. As far as the ‘criminal’ label, that’s the argument the defendants at Nuremberg used, isn’t it? In the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes and be labeled a ‘felon’ shortly thereafter, or possibly even simultaneously. Felons are, from a system management perspective, so much easier to kontrol, aren’t they? You make the term (‘criminal’) sound like the ‘N’ word. You imply you’re not fond of them either, due to earlier experiences. You express fears the public would like to kill you. Houston, we have a problem.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Why is my expressing the fact, not fear, that the public wants to kill cops a problem? Since when is “criminal” supposed to be a nice thing?

            I have not implied at all that I don’t like black people. I was making an analogy. Some of that “common sense” you were referring to before would work wonders right there as opposed to taking the opportunity to imply racism.

            For a person who complains so often about “thinly veiled implications,” you certainly do a lot of it yourself. I can’t tell if you think you’re being clever, or you’re just afraid to come out and say something directly.

          • pinbalwyz

            Because you used the term ‘fear’. Because you are again over generalizing. It is NOT a ‘fact’ the “public wants to kill cops”. There are radically violent elements of the public who’d like to retaliate against cops in this manner, yes, just as there are irresponsible/vicious cops who think nothing of killing members of the public. Yet, I do not say, “The police want to kill the public.” I’m not taking the bait. My discussion and the premises on which I base my arguments are more nuanced than that.

            I’m cautious when I do generalize. e.g. I don’t lightly assert my belief a substantial proportion of cops lie under oath and in their reports. It’s a serious and depressing allegation. Yet, I believe it’s true based on my personal experiences, which are not insubstantial, as well as the experiences of others I find quite credible and what video footage I find online. I’ve watched in court as officers lie under oath, are exposed for doing so, yet judges do little or nothing about it. The cat’s out of the bag. People are becoming increasingly aware of this problem. Police no longer have the respect they once did as a result. Neither do the judges who allow it.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Because I use the word fear, you want to somehow minimize it? It is not irrational to fear what happens frequently. You keep crying about generalizations, but they keep you alive sometimes.

            If I know that SOME muslims think all infidels must die, and I am an infidel, then wouldn’t it behoove me to consider ALL muslims the enemy and dangerous since I have no way of knowing which muslim is the next who will try to kill me? Absolutely! Same thing you’re doing with the cops.

            I hope you’re happy, I switched from blacks to the evil muslim. And so you can climb all the way up on your high PC horse, I’m not just using muslims as an analogy; they are, in fact, a genuine threat to my/your life.

            So yes, fear is justified when it is a FACT that many members of the public want to kill cops. A thing further perpetrated by this website.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I don’t agree with your reasoning. Yes, there are some groups whom I consider enemies without equivocating…Nazis, Terrorists, traitors, corrupt officials, and those who would pervert America.

            I do NOT consider all cops to be my ‘enemy’ because they are not all corrupt/incompetent. I can’t tell which, however, so I record everything. I do the same for the public because I can’t tell which ones are violent, traitors, liars, or corrupt…but there are plenty of them, believe me. Some look like pillars of the community, but they’re corrupt–they aid and abet criminal/violent elements in the community. Some of them are college professors receiving handsome salaries from the State, holding privileged/cushy jobs.

            I firmly recognize I’m dependent, in my situations, for my safety on LEO’s. I’ve found myself under attack in situations where the fully armed uniformed LEO would not enter for 5 minutes (while I remained exposed) until backup arrived. I’ve witnessed how dangerous the streets are in some areas of Seattle, Tacoma, and Olympia. I thank God for the police when I see them in these areas. I also thank God for members of the community who actively monitor and oppose police brutality. I’m certainly grateful luggage is inspected when I board an airline. I don’t do that anymore because security there, of necessity, is now so restrictive. Most of all, I thank God for people like Carlos who are willing to fight for our inalienable human rights!

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          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, a sample of 200 out of 800,000 can give a fair indication of a trend. I haven’t met all 800,000 either, but MOST of the police reports I’ve read where I have first hand knowledge of the facts contained blatant misrepresentations serving the cop’s interests. I’ve now become expert enough in this pattern of false police reports, I can look at the tangible evidence, analyze the cop’s spin, and come up with a pretty good theory as to why they are lying. Generally, it’s to cover their ass because they f**ked up. On other occasions, it’s because they don’t like the suspect or the group they associate with the suspect. These cops believe they have to break/bend the law to make sure the ‘bad’ guy gets convicted. They apply the same amoral principles the suspect is accused of.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Actually, it’s generally to cover their ass because the public lies. Reports get written a particular way because there is always some cop hating asshole telling lies because he got his feelings hurt.

            I once wrote a parking ticket ($15) to an individual and never said a word to that person, who then felt it necessary to write a three page letter to my Chief detailing all kinds of abuse I inflicted upon her. Imagine trying to ruin someone’s career over $15 because YOU screwed up.

            Point is, the public lies much more frequently than the cops do. I don’t believe in misrepresenting your actions in a report, but I can understand why it happens. Criminals go free much more often than any innocents go to jail.

            You really think 0.00025 represents a trend?

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, our legal system was conceived to operate that way. It’s better that a guilty person goes free than an innocent one be convicted. Yet many LEO’s lie for the reason you suggest–they’re frustrated at the guilty going unpunished. I don’t disagree about corruption/lying among the public. However, a lying public official/LEO is far more dangerous that a civilian who lies. Frankly, I’m of the opinion judges should treat lying under oath far more seriously than they do. A trial is supposed to be a search for the truth, not who is the most artful liar.

            As to the rest of your argument, I must reject it. You’re at a disadvantage if you have not had enough occasions to compare a LEO’s report with the facts you personally witnessed. I have. Thus, your conjecture as to percentages when it comes to how frequently LEO’s perjure themselves is utter speculation. My assessment is based on experience. Yours is based on wishful thinking…a popular dream, no doubt, but still wishful. You admitted many in your circle had never even met a cop. You said you had never ‘been in trouble’. That makes you a lousy source for estimating how often cops lie. That the public lies is not disputed. Your assertion that the number of lying cops is miniscule is belied by the countless numbers of those reporting otherwise. Why else would the police be so terrified of cameras and video footage? Because, like any criminal, they don’t want to get caught. The more honest/competent LEO’s I’ve observed don’t interfere with my recording them and say stuff like, “We have nothing to hide.”

            As an aside, I deplore photographers who deliberately harass and antagonize LEO’s. I think they’re jerks. Most often (with some depressing exceptions) the LEO’s behave professionally, ignoring the taunts and baiting. When such footage is posted, the public’s normal reaction is to criticize the camera holding jerk. Don’t be that guy!
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          • Josef Roesler

            I hate to tell you this, but as long as the public has no conscience in lying about what I did or did not do, then I have no problem doing what I need to do to survive.

            “As an aside, I deplore photographers who deliberately harass and antagonize LEO’s. I think they’re jerks. Most often (with some depressing exceptions) the LEO’s behave professionally, ignoring the taunts and baiting. When such footage is posted, the public’s normal reaction is to criticize the camera holding jerk. Don’t be that guy!”

            I’m glad we can at least agree on this.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, there’s nothing wrong with you recording what went down just like any other citizen.
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          • Josef Roesler

            How you gonna film something that didn’t happen?

          • pinbalwyz

            By filming what did!
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          • Josef Roesler

            Man, making you understand something is like pulling teeth. This is why I have to use exaggeration for effect. Your method of proving that I didn’t do something that I didn’t know I would be accused of later is to film nothing happening somewhere. So I could just film a street showing nothing happening, or maybe I could film the sky showing nothing happening, or maybe I could film the inside of a toilet bowl showing nothing happening. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that this probably didn’t help you understand that you can’t film nothing happening, especially if you don’t know that there will be an accusation that something did. I don’t have a film crew to constantly follow me around 24 hours a day rolling film. So in order for me to film nothing happening, I would have to know beforehand there would be an accusation of something happening.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I run into this conundrum routinely. I solve it by ALWAYS recording any interaction I’m having with public officials or, often enough, even the public when I’m wearing my ‘PRESS’ button. I’ve given public notice I do so on my web site. A sworn uniformed peace officer should do likewise, whenever they’re on duty, both for their own safety and the public’s. You don’t need a film crew. There are any number of discreet audio and video recorders which will do the job. Had you been using one when you issued the parking ticket, it would have recorded nothing untoward happened and there was NO conversation. Suit yourself, but I’d think any cop would want one to cover their butt, especially the honest ones.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Do you really believe what is NOT on video doesn’t get complained about? All anyone has to do is edit the video.

            I see plenty of examples of lack of context on THIS website. Videos are constantly being posted that have absolutely no context because the videographer waits til long after the suspect has done whatever foolishness he was up to before they start filming. Then all you see is a crazy cop hollering “stop resisting!” and you title it “Jaywalker Beaten For No Reason”

            I could have filmed a completely benign incident of me handing a ticket to an asshole and all the asshole has to say is I didn’t film my brutality. I would have been no better off than I originally was.

          • pinbalwyz

            The other permutation is the cop falsely uttering implicating statements, which I have personally seen, and in the case of the FEMA contracted security guard, experienced. I had a cop lie about where I was standing (how close to a subject) and how long I took to exit when directed to do so. My photographs (the EXIF data) showed she was lying. It revealed when the photos were taken (thereby revealing the length of time I was inside the building after she contacted me) and the focal setting of the zoom lens. A quick photo of a tape measure with the same setting revealed just how far the focal plane was from the camera.

            Video and audio recordings may not be a panacea, but they’re far better than nothing. If you have yours on continually while you’re on duty, the suspect need only be asked, “When did this happen?” Your continually operating audio recorder should provide an ideal alibi. Editing the data can be detected. Yeah, sure, I could have a witness I convinced to lie. But anyone knows a witness is better than no witness.

            Another example of video/audio recording saving my bacon (I’ve posted this on my site along with an editorial) is when I entered a public park with my camera and large hairy microphone mounted on top, a large 6″ yellow, black, & red ‘PRESS’ button to document a group of transients there in broad daylight one afternoon. They immediately asked which ‘press’ I was with and I told them it was Soul Snatcher, Productions ™. They wanted to know why I was there and I responded I was doing a story on the homeless. A couple told me they didn’t want their pictures taken and I was not permitted to do so without their permission. I attempted to correct their misapprehensions by explaining (contrary to their opinion) the park was PUBLIC, and no permission was legally required to photograph it or anyone in it. One of them (Phillips) began to threaten me with physical violence. I politely asked him several times to stop threatening me and warned him it was illegal. He continued to do so. I became alarmed for my safety (I’m not a young man), jumped up and retreated from the picnic table where we’d been setting, and dialed 911. During the 2 minutes it took for the police to arrive, he continued to pursue and threaten me. I warned him he was being recorded. He arrogantly responded, “I don’t care!”

            When the police arrived, the officer asked me what happened while his partner contacted the transients (about 5) to hear their side. After taking my statement, the officer who questioned me approached his partner and they compared notes. He returned and said, “Well, he says he didn’t threaten you.” I said, “Yes, he did.” The LEO added, “…and his friends, they ALL say he didn’t threaten you.” (At this point, I’m at risk of being accused of filing a false police report, right?)

            I said, “Officer, I’ve got the entire incident on audio. In fact, I’m recording our conversation right now.” The LEO actually thanked me for letting him know, returned to Phillips and cited him for criminal harassment. Much later, after I acquired a copy of the police report, I read how the LEO confronted Phillips with the fact I had an audio recording of him threatening me. Upon realizing I had a record of the truth, Phillips admitted to the cop he had lied to him earlier and that he HAD threatened me. He later entered a guilty plea in the municipal court. If I hadn’t had a recording, I might well have been charged for lying to a LEO, something Phillips finally admitted he’d done, a crime he was never charged with.

            The LEO above asked me if he could have a copy of the audio and I assured him he could as soon as I got home, downloaded it off my memory card and sent it to him as a file attachment in e-mail. This, I did. But, the pre-trial report also indicated the officer turned the audio over to the city prosecuting attorney and asked her to determine if I’d violated Washington’s wire-tap/privacy law. The attorney later (after Phillips entered a plea) signed a document authorizing the police to destroy their copy which I had provided them. Fortunately, for a number of reasons I won’t bother you with presently, I still have the original. I even had a transcript (very useful) of it made. If it had been evidence I had broken the law, the city prosecutor would never have authorized its destruction.

            Many police departments have provided their officers with audio and video recording equipment to be used while on duty. Our local transit authority video and audio records the passengers (all of them) and driver on all of its buses including even the view out the windshield. This data is stored. It helps protect passengers, the driver, and the transit authority from false claims or menacing actors. Many (including me) are discomforted by this erosion of privacy, but I have (in law) no expectation of privacy on a public bus among a group of strangers…or in a public park, for that matter.

            It’s a shame your agency hasn’t provided you with these tools for preserving the truth, but if I were you, I’d spend my own $, if necessary, to acquire and USE them. The public deserves these safeguards, and so do LEO’s.
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          • pinbalwyz

            Carlos typically posts phone numbers and contact info for the departments involved.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Yes, Carlos does. I’ve never once taken issue with anything Carlos does. I always support Carlos even though he thinks I’m a dirty cop. But Carlos seems to prefer “fuck the police” internet commandos than actual follow up on these videos. How many people actually call versus the morons who come on here and say “all pigs must die?”

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, again, that’s conjecture on your part, isn’t it? Some here post reports on how frustrated the receptionist or spokesperson was when they were able to contact them. Others (like Carlos) are actually suing the bastards. I do not want to see LEO’s injured (or worse) in the streets. It’s dangerous for them and it’s very dangerous for the public. If I saw a person/mob attack a LEO in the streets without provocation, I’d have no qualms testifying against them. I want our LEO’s to be safe on the streets because they are citizens and have a right to be safe. Unfortunately, some think the best way to achieve that goal is to bully/intimidate citizens. I’ve seen it many times. Naturally, they experience a response typical for all bullies.
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          • Josef Roesler

            No, it’s not conjecture on my part at all. It’s based on fact.

          • inquisitor

            Well it is obvious a lot of people here don’t like what you have to say.
            Which is all the reason why you should stay and continue to do it.

            See how we differ?

          • Josef Roesler

            I certainly do. You say lots of stuff like that, with veiled sarcasm. I don’t. If you weren’t bashing and insulting people and being snarky all the time, I’d probably agree with the rest you have to say.

          • inquisitor

            Sarcasm. bashing, insulting, snarky…

            …can you tell me the statute.

            I also don’t put the napkin on my lap at the dinner table.

          • Josef Roesler

            You asked me, I told you. Keep arguing about it if you like.

          • Chris Olin

            You’re going to get a lot of people disagreeing with you on this here, but you have a very valid point.

            While yelling a lot and throwing insults around isn’t illegal, it is very
            definitely NOT mature or helpful. I get that we’re all people and people
            aren’t perfect, so we’re not going to handle complex issues like this
            perfectly, but I do find that many people like push that invisible line
            of being belligerent and rude out of principal, not because it helps.

            As much as I love and support PINAC, there are a lot of people who
            follow PINAC that like repeating their beliefs and arguing with the
            other side of the coin. The people like Darren who see us all as
            “ignorant, liberal pussies”. It’s easy to generalize people you don’t like. He makes that clear by bringing up gun control. Contrary to popular
            myth, you can support PINAC and understand that many of today’s gun control laws and/or bills do little to nothing to prevent gun crimes and ultimately burden the lawful gun owner, but I digress.

            While you might get a sense of justice or feel good about shutting someone down by arguing why “you’re wrong and I’m right”, the goal should be to try debating with people to get them to start rethinking their beliefs. You might not get that immediate gratification, but the key here is education of sorts. People that disagree with the entire concept and point of PINAC need to understand for themselves why this is important and the people that support it aren’t ignorant, liberal pussies.

          • Josef Roesler

            True.

          • JdL

            Point is, cop-haters don’t make change, they just yell a lot and throw insults around if you say something they don’t like. Real mature. Not very helpful when you’re trying to change government.

            You are whining because Carlos is exposing the corruption and criminality perpetrated by cops. It doesn’t matter whether you think it’s “mature” or not of Carlos to do this exposing. It’s going to happen. And, contrary to your assertion, it’s going to make change. Just watch.

          • Josef Roesler

            That’s funny what you did right there. You don’t like what I’m saying, so you tell me I’m whining. Nice. Your point is invalid because I have not once complained that Carlos posted a video.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, the truth is the truth no matter where you find it. The more sunshine that penetrates the dark hole of law enforcement, the cleaner those cracks will become regardless of who is holding the light.
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          • Josef Roesler

            If you call insults sunshine…

          • pinbalwyz

            Being thin skinned doesn’t make a comment an insult. Let the sun shine in!
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          • Josef Roesler

            Being a dick doesn’t help your cause. Let the sun shine on the assholes as well.

          • Farid Rushdi

            You know Carlos, I think it’s the very people that people like Josef call “cop haters” that love the police the most. We want them to succeed. We want them to be safe. We keep our eyes open and report things we see that look illegal. We want them to be our heroes.

            We love cops so much that it makes us sick that even one is willing to treat us outside the bounds of their oath. We get so angry at we treat all police like the rotten apples.

            I assume that the bad cops are a representative slice of Americana. If four-percent of Wal Mart workers have anger issues and authority problems, then four-percent of police have the same problems.

            But most Wal Mart workers can’t get you illegally arrested and sent to jail because they had a bad day.

            And that’s why it’s so important for a-l-l police to be honest and true regarding their fellow police. If you don’t protect me then why should I protect you?

            We can’t get rid of bad teachers and we can’t get rid of bad police. Hmmm …. what do they have in common …..

          • pinbalwyz

            Actually, LEO’s who honor their oaths DO have something to fear–dirty cops! Have you ever seen the film, SERPICO?

            It’s about an honest cop in NYC and what his peers do to him for it. COPS hate a whistle blower who exposes them. They will go to extremes to ‘neutralize’ the ‘rat’ among their ranks. But today, what with all the cameras and technology, it’s getting dicey to pervert the truth. THAT is why cops hate cameras and those who wield them. They fear the truth.

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          • Avery

            “Much more than I can say for a huge portion of arrest reports…”

            and, what is the proportion, Carlos? Do you have statistics on the ratio of counterfactual police reports to factual police reports?

            If not, how is your usage of “huge” any more credible than any other comparative adjective that you could replace it with?

          • pinbalwyz

            RE: Arrest Reports — YES!!
            Disingenuous arrest reports aren’t the exception, they’re the rule.
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          • pinbalwyz

            A supporter of our Constitution has my respect whether they’re a cop or not. More LEO’s need to read it and grasp it. It’s not that hard.

            I believe Carlos feels the same way.
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          • Josef Roesler

            What is there about the message you just replied to that would make 2 people vote it down? Really? That shows me what I’m dealing with. You can’t win with cop haters. And those are the people I generalize about because I have no idea who they are, or why they hate me, but I must be vigilant against them because they are dangerous.

          • pinbalwyz

            Much of the public feels the same way about LEO’s, obviously. When government begins to treat its own citizens as the ‘enemy’, it has lost its legitimacy.
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          • Josef Roesler

            So you legitimize it.

            “I’m not a biased cop. I’m a Constitutionalist who happens to be a law abiding cop. I’m also embarrassed by the behavior of these jackholes you report on. Dirty cops do me no good. And I do what I can to make change in the system, not merely by sensationalism.

            I have officers in my own department who have some of this misguided dumbass mentality. I do what I can to educate them. I do what I can to educate their bosses.”

            There is absolutely nothing in that a cop hater should have a problem with, but you think it is acceptable that the public think that way? So you know what my answer is to the public? FUCK YOU. I am really tired of dealing with you. Take your beatings where you get them and eat shit. I do not have to waste my time and resources on worthless pieces of shit like you, I get my paycheck regardless. IT REALLY IS NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE TRYING TO HELP YOU WORTHLESS ASS SHEEP.

        • Nam Marine

          And you….a member of the new Gestapo!

      • Farid Rushdi

        There is the answer to this conundrum. Because m-o-s-t good police officers refuse to expose the bad ones, they too become bad cops, even worse in my opinion. When that blue wall falls, and bad police officers are allowed to rot in the light of truth and transparency, I will again trust the police (sorry, I write for a living–prose is my enemy).

        I live in Idaho, and our police force does an outstanding job protecting and serving us. But does anyone really believe that the same could be said of St. Louis, Miami, New York and other large cities? Here the police answer to the citizens. All too often, however, the police answer to themselves.

    • Patrick Henry,The2nd

      The thing is, even if he is a “cop-hater” (despite any lack of evidence)- the police make it really easy for him to “smear” law enforcement.

      If they would just start to respect citizens and their rights, and stop beating innocent people, shooting their dogs, and arresting them for contempt of cop- Carlos would have nothing to post about.

      So maybe direct your complaints to the proper problem.

      • Josef Roesler

        There is plenty of evidence. I never said the police aren’t wrong in most of his videos, I usually agree with the photographer. I have directed my energies to solving the problem, it’s the cop-haters who are not interested in doing anything about it but spewing their hatred. If you try to do anything constructive towards solving the problem, you get beat down as being part of the problem. There is no winning with these people.

        • Paul Kisling

          I can solve the problems too. Make it where the cops get the same punishment as everyone else when they break the law. NO special treatment. I guarantee the fear of being put in the general population will keep them in line.. Does for most people.
          If they think that they might get hurt then DON’T BREAK THE LAW!!!!!

          • inquisitor

            How about extra-punitive and mandatory punishments holding those in allegedly trusted positions of law enforcement accountable?
            And civil liability.
            And when imprisoned and in general population, they still have to wear their police uniform instead of the orange.

          • Farid Rushdi

            When a police officer acts in a manner outside of his oath, and a lawsuit is brought, it’s the police officer that should be held responsible financially as well as the city. Do you think an officer would ever try to arrest a citizen for recording him again?

            And I’m tired of hearing that the officers will undergo “further training.” No. Each watch commander says, “Boys, the brass say no more screwing with photographers. Do it and you’re suspended. Do it again and you’re fired.”

            The problem would be corrected in 24 hours.

          • Josef Roesler

            I agree with that as well. You shouldn’t get special treatment as a cop. Actually your treatment should be MORE strict since you ‘re supposed to know better and you violated the public trust you were granted your authority behind.

            But where that is happening, who’s fault is that? Is it the cop’s fault the DA coddles him? How about “Fuck the DA” instead of “Fuck the police?”

            Or maybe the cop’s lawyer gets him the same cushy deal the crackhead rapist’s lawyer got him. We can’t get guilty criminals to stay in jail, cops or not.

          • TheFlashingScotsman

            How about “Fuck the DA AND the dirty cop?” Why does it have to be either/or?

          • Josef Roesler

            That sounds good too.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, bad judges and bad district attorneys are also part of the problem. It’s even more depressing because there are more remedies for a bad cop than there are for a bad judge or DA.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Makes you wonder why there aren’t as many judge and D.A. hating websites around, doesn’t it? Why don’t we see “Fuck the judiciary?” Or “All District Attorneys must DIE!!” You really never see that.

          • pinbalwyz

            Apparently you haven’t read a lot of what I’ve posted on my site. I *DO* hold prosecutors and judges accountable. I fully support exposing those who are corrupt/incompetent and do everything I can to publish those reports. It’s not for the feint of heart, though. They DO come after you/retaliate. They’re level of immunity, in law, far exceeds that of LEO’s and in the case of judges is virtually absolute. Ben Franklin said, “The monarchists will hide in the judiciary.” Ben was stunningly perspicacious.

            I do NOT (and never will) advocate the harming of or physical attacking of judges. We recently had a man do just that when he stalked a Thurston County District Court judge to his home and, when the judge opened his front door, threw an acid solution into his face. The entire community (including me) was shocked. He was eventually caught several months later. I have no sympathy for him or that kind of street violence.
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          • Josef Roesler

            You mean the broken link in your signature? Perspicacious.

          • pinbalwyz

            Common sense and actually typing on your keyboard to enter the address should work.
            amicuscuria.com/wordpress
            Is that better? You might want to cut & paste if you’re unwilling to type.

          • Josef Roesler

            Look at you being a dick again. Common sense would not have helped anyone when the link was not working. And it’s a link, you don’t have to type when it’s working right. I shouldn’t have said anything and nobody would still be able to find that page.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, you really think that many are paying attention to these exchanges between us? I don’t.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Not at all, do you think people can only see your link in this conversation?

          • Josef Roesler

            Makes you wonder why you don’t see any judge or D.A. hating websites, doesn’t it? We never see “Fuck the judiciary!” or “All District Attorneys must DIE!!” Why is that? People just like to hate on cops I guess. Probably cause a cop hurt their feelings once.

        • Rail Car Fan

          “Josef Roesier” said in part…

          “If you try to do anything constructive towards solving the problem, you get beat down…”

          That’s true, because when you try to point out to the “Thin Blue Wall” that what they’re doing is illegal, etc. they “BEAT YOU DOWN”, taser you and in some cases even shoot/kill you… which, in a lot of cases, results in nothing being done to the “Badge Bully” cop.

          Rail Car Fan

          P.S. I STILL don’t see where you can say 99.9% of all cops are GOOD… and only a handful are bad!

          • Josef Roesler

            Well, I guess that’s because you don’t want to see it. You enjoy your cop-hating too much. You have no evidence they are all bad and I have shown you numbers that say they are not. And that’s YOUR percentage, not mine.

          • Rail Car Fan

            Actually “Josef”…

            I’m NOT anti-cop (or a cop hater like you’ve erroneously labeled me as), but rather, anti-“Badge Bully” cop.and anti good (?) cop who sees their brother/sister in blue break the law… and then doesn’t do anything about it!

            Considering you labeled me they way you did (without doing your field investigation in the first place like you should have), I can only surmise then that you’re one of those who “smash, crash and kick a$$” first before finding out the real situation.

            You see… “Josef”……… all you had to do was ask me what my thoughts were and how I felt when it came to LE and/or cops in general… but you didn’t. If you had, you would have found out they’re completely opposite than what you labeled me.

            Rail Car Fan

          • Josef Roesler

            You give plenty of reason to make one think you are a cop hater, starting with your stupid 99.99 statistic you keep throwing out.

            Does it make you feel superior or something when you put my name in quotation marks? What is the purpose of that?

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I do. It’s called statistical analysis and the premise I’m not chosen by God or unique. My direct experience is MOST cops lie under oath and in their sworn written reports. Why is that? Am I just unlucky?…or typical? See, I think it’s a stretch to believe God hates me either. I think it’s reasonable to believe my experiences and those of my friends who have had dealings with the police are typical. I’ve been around the block enough times to have a statistically valid sample. That only the tip of the iceberg shows up on Youtube is no statistically valid sample at all. There’s good reason to believe it grossly understates the problem. More telling is the obvious desire of the police to censor the photographers. They must know something and their actions speak volumes.
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          • Josef Roesler

            One person does not make a statistical sample. And that person’s couple of friends does not make a statistical sample.

          • pinbalwyz

            If even only one person flips the coin a dozen times and it comes up heads each and every time, there’s a fair chance the coin is weighted–ya think?? How many times does the dog have to bite you (or LIE) before you get it?
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          • Josef Roesler

            So you will agree with me that if one black person ever offends you, you should therefore hate all black people. I was starting to think it was just me.

        • pinbalwyz

          Josef, you call it “spewing hatred”, but others see it as sharing their experiences and resulting feelings. You disparage posting these sentiments and trivialize their effectiveness. But, there’s value in publishing such comments, not the least of which is solidarity. It’s how movements are built. Not only does oppression breed resistance, but the oppressors are typically hated. Is that a surprise?
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          • Josef Roesler

            OK, so you want me to choose sides? I chose the side of the cops so fuck all of you cop haters who do not want my help in solving the problem. Solve it yourself. Have fun.

          • pinbalwyz

            PINAC isn’t a good place to come for social approval. Carlos could have told you that. Besides, it’s obvious. Carlos said the comment section was like a school of piranhas. He was right.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Wasn’t looking for your approval. But obviously you were as you responded to 27 of my month old posts on here.

          • pinbalwyz

            That’s good. You won’t be disappointed.

            27? That many? Of course, that’s not a vote of confidence in any.
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    • inquisitor

      Thing is boychik, name one ongoing series on network television that shows cops in a bad light with citizens actually doing the videotaping of the abuses?

      How many?
      Yeah…thought so.

      There are only a small handful of websites that actually are made up of citizens filming cops to hold them accountable for their behaviors. And, at least, they don’t edit their footage for effect like the myriad of pro-cop shows.

      Should the cops act appropriately, then there is no material for these sites to post.
      Perhaps police should make that their goal and stop pissing and moaning bullshit spew from their donut-scarfing maws about cop-haters and shit like that.

      All police have to do is stop acting unprofessionally, making up the law, acting under color of law, violating people’s rights and begin to serve their masters…the people.
      But you and I know that is far too much to ask. Which is why you don’t bother.
      So I ask for more revealing of the abuse and you piss and moan about the victims making it public with an undeniable video record and citizen activism to follow up and hold them accountable.

      Straighten up and fly right and you will have less to complain about.
      It is up to the police in this regard, not citizens being abused by police who choose to video record.

      Boychik Rabbi states…
      “He has no interest showing any cops in a good light…”

      Shit dude…it has been overdone ad nauseam and who can stand up to all the sensationalist, high production pro-cop competition?

      POLICE
      COPS
      TOP COPS
      AMERICAN DETECTIVE
      REAL STORIES OF THE HIGHWAY PATROL
      LAPD Life On the Beat
      The Academy
      Jail
      Inside the American Jail
      DEA
      Supertroopers
      Cops and Speeders
      Jacked
      The Rookies
      K9 Cops
      The Squad Prison Police
      Boston’s Finest
      Cajun Justice
      The Force Behind the Line
      Police Rescue
      SWAT
      America’s Most Wanted
      Police Women of Broward County
      DEA
      The First 48
      Real Vice Cops Uncut

      …and the pro-cop list goes on, and on, and on, and on…blah…blah…blah…fucking blah…

      When you look at all the media dedicated to pro-cop…what the fuck are you pissing and moaning about?

      PINAC, COP BUSTERS, COP WATCH, COP BLOCK and what else?
      Seems like a very short list to me. Feel free to add more and it will still pale in comparison to all the pro-cop media.

      These are citizen journalists and activists not film company and police department corporation productions.
      These are live accounts of police abuse and many times at the risk of their freedoms and safety.

      The smartphone video camera. Who knew twenty years ago how valuable this tool would be to show how insidious bad cop behavior really is.
      Somehow I feel this is just in its infancy and there is more to reveal.

      • Josef Roesler

        Howdy Mr. Hateful.

        I have no control over what’s represented on the TV. I think a TV show about cops getting busted would be awesome. It would be more mainstream and some follow up action would probably be occurring. Dirty cops don’t want to be on TV. They are not concerned if they are displayed on a cop-hating website.

        Maybe there are so many pro-cop shows on TV because there are so many cops doing the right thing out there.

        • inquisitor

          You skate the subject and the point nicely.

          • Josef Roesler

            Maybe if you were not so antagonistic, hateful, and insulting and just said what you think I “skated” I might answer. As it is, you’re a troll and I won’t waste my time on you and your insults again. I didn’t disagree with you.

          • inquisitor

            The I will leave you to continue to patrol and walk the beat of this forum in your endless search for cop-haters as you baton them over the head with your understanding, acceptance and flatteries.

          • Josef Roesler

            I doubt it.

        • Rail Car Fan

          “Josef” said in part…

          “Maybe there are so many pro-cop shows on TV because there are so many cops doing the right thing out there.”

          Ahhh… Actually… NO!

          The reason why there are so many cops doing the “right” thing on these TV shows is because…

          You ready for the “right” answer now… “Josef”?

          They’re being “FILMED/VIDEOED”… and because of such they make sure they go out of their way to do things right, correct and within the bounds of the law.

          If they weren’t being filmed…

          Rail Car Fan

          • Josef Roesler

            But wait, there’s a website called PINAC that is all about filming cops. Who usually know they are being filmed. Who do things wrong on film. Yet you say if they are being filmed they won’t do anything wrong. Now that’s just plain confusing. So what is the right answer now?

          • pinbalwyz

            That’s because the cops/guards are either ignorant, consider Carlos to be small potatoes/vulnerable, or both. They’re wrong, of course.
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          • Josef Roesler

            What does Carlos have to do with it? My comment was about all the videos that are posted to his site. Cops are being filmed all the time doing shit wrong and they continue to do it. So my point that a camera following them around is not going to change their behavior and according to Rail Car Fan, if they weren’t being filmed, they would be doing things wrong. Obviously that’s not true as is evidenced by the videos on this site.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, the exception proves the rule. That there remain obtuse cops on the beat doesn’t imply cameras have no affect on the remainder.
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          • Josef Roesler

            So every cop on this site is obtuse. Even though every cop on this site is also what all cops are like. Sweet that you can have it both ways.

        • pinbalwyz

          The reason there are so many pro-cop shows on TV is, against all the evidence, people still want to believe in the tooth fairy. They’re in denial. That’s understandable, given the reality. But ask the minorities and people in the barrio. They have a very different story to tell than the TV/Hollywood producers. Also, there’s censorship and retaliation in this country. As Carlos (and I) can tell you, when you expose them, they come after you. THAT is the truth!
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          • Josef Roesler

            The brutality videos on YouTube and their popularity would contradict your opinion. People would watch that shit on TV like crazy. There just wouldn’t be enough to support a series.

          • pinbalwyz

            Actually, I believe there’d be PLENTY to support such a series. The problem might arise that few of the subjects would cooperate with the producer. It’s embarrassing to be exposed as a cop who violated his/her oath and the rights of citizens. It’s not like it’s going to make them more popular in their community.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Why do they have to cooperate? All cops are evil, so all they have to do is be themselves, which we have proven they will in front of a camera.

          • Josef Roesler

            There should be plenty. We have already established that all cops are evil and they will do what they do in front of a camera.. So you agree with my point that you originally responded to. About time.

      • Sirfith™ (D)

        ADAM-12 once had a show about a bad cop who used excessive
        force on a suspect and was reported by a good cop.

        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0505247/

        • inquisitor

          ….well, there you go, I am convinced.

        • pinbalwyz

          I’ve occasionally run across videos of competent honest dedicated cops. I repost them and love to hear their stories. I also report local competent honest dedicated LEO’s to their commanders, complimenting them for their professionalism. It’s a pleasure to see them on the job.
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      • pinbalwyz

        Inquisitor, actually, the old TV series, COPS, was a pro-police show that often had shocking footage of LEO’s breaking the law, brutalizing citizens, and violating their rights. Go figure.
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    • Mahonri Young

      If it is true, how is is a smear? These thugs bring it on themselves.

      • Josef Roesler

        How is it true that all of law enforcement is dirty?

        • inquisitor

          I guess that all depends on how many vids get taken and posted this year on the internet.

    • nick

      He has posted at least one video showing a police officer refusing to interfere with a citizen filming. I believe it was in an airport.

      • inquisitor

        That went national.
        The officer was commended for his supporting the Constitution.

        As common as an albino turkey.

        • nick

          Rare it may be (on video at least, as it’s pretty boring to film a cop doing the right thing) but homeboy said, “He has no interest showing any cops in a good light when they actually take their oath seriously.”

          I just wanted to point out that Carlos did, on at least one occasion, show a cop in a good light when he actually took his oath seriously.

          • inquisitor

            And thank you for that.

            So Rabbi boychik?

          • pinbalwyz

            And so have I (posted videos of cops behaving professionally) along with photos of them smiling and looking heroic. Cops should try smiling more often. They don’t teach them that at the police academy.
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      • Josef Roesler

        I commend Carlos for posting that. And it certainly is rare to see a video of a cop doing good. Because it’s not sensational. Even rarer is to see that video posted on a cop-hating website.

        Just as it is equally rare to ever see a commendation letter when you do the right thing every day, as opposed to the complaint letters you will see because some criminal got his feelings hurt when he was righteously apprehended.

        • nick

          It’s definitely rare and for the exact reason you state-it’s not sensational. The entire point of this website (and the one Redding was ranting about) is to point out the bad ones. I’d like to see more videos of officers doing the right thing like in the example I pointed out, but unfortunately when people get those videos they tend not to post them (as you said, it’s not sensational.)

          It’s up to us as viewers to keep in mind that for every video of a cop being an asshole and committing crimes there are probably several other officers doing the right thing. I try to keep this in mind with every video I watch.

          • Josef Roesler

            You are correct. As well there are many more cops NOT getting caught on video violating. The point of my OP was that cop hating websites do nothing but create more cop haters. People responsible for making change do not come here unless you go to them first. And sensationalists don’t want that. They just want to bask in the accolades of their followers.

          • nick

            To be fair, a lot of these cases wouldn’t go very far (even caught on video and posted to a video sharing site) if they didn’t get a lot of attention and bring a lot of pressure on those particular departments.

            I feel like sites like this and the Cop Block where Redding posted do a pretty good job of getting these cases exposure, if nothing else.

            Carlos does get into a lot of general cop-bashing in the accompanying articles that I usually don’t agree with, but as he said in this comment section, they stem from his bad experiences. I can’t really fault him for that, but it does hurt impartiality (which I feel is important in pointing out systematic flaws in any situation.)

          • Josef Roesler

            No doubt. I had bad experiences with some blacks when I was a kid. Should I hate them all because of it?

          • pinbalwyz

            You’d be a fool not to fear them. Those who don’t learn from their experiences are soon kicked out of the gene pool. Will I get mugged in ALL dark alleys?–no, but maybe I should avoid them anyway. Will a testosterone poisoned, gun toting, badge wearing uniformed monster always beat me to the pavement without provocation?–no, but I’d be an idiot not to be on the lookout for it. We’re all adults here (aren’t we?)–COPS are dangerous! They carry deadly weapons and have a license to kill. And they’re not stopping you to sell girl scout cookies.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Finally, someone admits that if a black person commits a crime, you should fear them all. Because BLACKS are dangerous! They carry deadly weapons and love to kill. And they’re not stopping you just to sell you crack.

            See, stupidity works both ways.

          • pinbalwyz

            Anyone with a weapon is potentially dangerous, although it’s not a prerequisite. Moreover, police have a virtual license to kill and too often escape accountability when they do. As to which armed group is more dangerous, does it matter? IMO, the group that can kill with impunity qualifies.
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          • jcfromnj

            Nick my friend, when YOU get your first cop related interaction, and it goes all bad in your direction, you might want to re-evaluate your position. Your experience will dictate just how you relate to Law Enforcement in general. It is what it is……

          • nick

            I’ve had plenty, both good and bad. I don’t see how my position (favoring impartiality in reporting) would be affected even if I hadn’t had any bad interactions.

          • pinbalwyz

            There’s no such thing as impartial/unbiased reporting. That’s a myth. Gonzo journalism forever!
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          • pinbalwyz

            Let it be written: Carlos died for your sins!
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          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I suspect you underestimate the power of the press. The pen is mightier than the sword…though not always less lethal.
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          • Josef Roesler

            No, actually, I believe if the press were involved, there would be more accountability for these cops and their departments. PINAC is not the press. It’s merely a place for people who already hate cops to congregate and rage.

          • pinbalwyz

            It’s not only PINAC…today, WE *are* the press! Get over your tired 20th century preconceived notions. Don’t believe it? Well, check out the ad section in your local newspaper, then check out Craig’s List. Many of my neighbors check their favorite blog or website FIRST for news; I know I do.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Then the problem is solved. All cops are accountable now. Glad that’s over with.

          • pinbalwyz

            I’ve posted/re-posted (many times) the Youtube clip of a Seattle Police official giving an interview to the press after the May Day riots where he was deliberately disrupted by an obscenity spewing young woman. His discipline and professionalism made him look heroic while making her look like an insect. That is the kind of policing we like to see in our community. We have a right to expect it.
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        • pinbalwyz

          Josef, cops who behave professionally in my community DO get letters/phone call of appreciation from citizens to their commanders.
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          • Josef Roesler

            I’ve done my job by the book for 24 years and have never gotten one. I don’t know of anyone in my department who has. I have, however, gotten complaint letters on me that were complete fabrications.

            Just saying it is so does not make it true.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, if you were in my community and I witnessed you doing your LEO job professionally, your commander would definitely hear from me and I’d likely publish the letter.

            I’m sorry to hear citizens in your community don’t accentuate the positive as well as the unacceptable.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Right, well many hundreds of thousands do their jobs professionally every day, but you will have the world think all cops are evil even though it’s only .00025 of them doing wrong. Hell, I’ll even double that number for you, it’s .0050 doing wrong. Hell yeah, all cops are evil.

      • pinbalwyz

        Josef, are you referring to the young cop who prevented the TSA from interfering with kids handing out leaflets at an airport? THAT cop was so rare (or rarely reported) that the video went viral, the officer received applause from across the nation in his e-mail, and invitations to run for mayor/political office. Why was his professionalism viewed as such a breath of fresh air unless the stink was pretty bad?
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    • stk33

      > he has the attitude that there are no good cops, only evil ones

      There are good cops, but they are indeed exception, and indeed the most are evil ones. The proof is very simple. If goods ones were the norm, then the bad ones would be facing consequences in most cases. Since they don’t, their whole system is evil. Of course, there are exceptions, but those are exceptions. Ergo, good cops do exist as exceptions, while the norm is bad ones.

      That’s one point. But there’s another. For any system to be effective, there must be checks and balances. Those checks and balances don’t have to be in the middle, they can and should be quite extreme, but as a whole they balance each other. So, as long as there are extremist right parties, who have no problem advocating tough-on-crime attitudes, as long as there’s forum on officer.com and the like, there must be also counter-parties, and it’s a-ok that they hate each other, it’s what ensures the healthy balance.

      For that very reason, by the way, what this boy said is his own 1st amendment-protected free speech, and he should not be facing consequences for it, same as Alex Jones can spit hate towards establishment and government in each breath.

      • Josef Roesler

        Actually, if that’s true, why was the following listed on this forum as so many examples of ongoing good police work? Hard to imagine if they’re all rotten, this list could have been compiled.

        “POLICE
        COPS
        TOP COPS
        AMERICAN DETECTIVE
        REAL STORIES OF THE HIGHWAY PATROL
        LAPD Life On the Beat
        The Academy
        Jail
        Inside the American Jail
        DEA
        Supertroopers
        Cops and Speeders
        Jacked
        The Rookies
        K9 Cops
        The Squad Prison Police
        Boston’s Finest
        Cajun Justice
        The Force Behind the Line
        Police Rescue
        SWAT
        America’s Most Wanted
        Police Women of Broward County
        DEA
        The First 48
        Real Vice Cops Uncut

        …and the pro-cop list goes on, and on, and on, and on…blah…blah…blah…fucking blah…”

        • inquisitor

          They know when their own cameras are rolling and approve.
          So they put on their best happy face.

          Too bad they don’t like it when citizens cameras are rolling.

          • Josef Roesler

            They don’t like it because their departments have been negligent in training them about it. I can tell you that in 18 years of watching people go through our academy, “photography is not a crime” has never been taught. Except by me.

      • pinbalwyz

        My experience confirms this, although there are substantial numbers of competent, honest, dedicated cops I’m pleased are on the job. More often than not, I’m blown away by their discipline. Under the same circumstances, were it me, I’d be reaching for my gun. I’d never make a ‘good’ cop. But then, I never applied to be one.
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    • Raylan Givens

      I think labeling Carlos Miller as cop hater may be pushing things a bit far. As a former police officer I was equally as skeptical about Carlos as he is about law enforcement officers. However, and over time, I could see his point considering what happened to him. I’ve read, followed and researched the incidents he was involved in including, but not limited to, trial video footage. He did nothing wrong except take the risk of even talking to police officers that had taken issue with his presence and his camera.

      Being pissed and wanting to expose such behavior of law enforcement does not constitute being a cop hater. Hating those that insist on demeaning, being dishonest, arresting or finding alternative ways to impose themselves on others that have done no wrong, well who in their right mind would not seriously dislike them?

      The only thing that disappoints me about the forum sections of this site (and sometimes the limited content of an article) is in most cases, it turns into a bitch session with very little substance and never a strategy toward viable and useable solutions or an analysis of the event at hand. With the talent pool of the commenters,
      and the encounter experienced by the videographer, there should be more strategic initiatives to prevent such of the above noted misdoings and to help protect those that wish to legally film police activity. Unless I’m mistaken, it appears PINAC is trying to assemble a team to do this.

      As far as the content of this particular article, exposure of even the possibly that a person such as this may enter law enforcement is a must. While most say he lied etc., that’s plausible, but my real concern would be the depth or lack thereof of his background investigation. His morale character should be questioned and his application process should be terminated for simply associating with such people (if true or not) that would make such comments as noted in the title if this article.

      • Josef Roesler

        I agree and I support what Carlos is doing, even if he doesn’t support us. The thing with these sites is you either like cops or you hate them. So cop hater fits most of them. Carlos certainly doesn’t like them. His followers would have him hate them as well. If he’s not a cop hater, he’s close to it. I still support what he’s doing, even though he doesn’t support me.

        • Raylan Givens

          I agree with you, but I don’t. He may never support anyone remotely
          connected to law enforcement, and that’s okay with me. The truth of the matter is you and I have never been locked up. Those that have done nothing and have been manhandled, arrested and locked up can have a profound impact on their lives going forward. They don’t forget and no one should expect them to The idea that you can (and have) been taken from the street and placed in jail where you don’t belong can be a very traumatic event and difficult to overcome. Especially if you and the ones that put you there against your will are well aware of the same fact.

          • Josef Roesler

            Like I said earlier, because a black kid beat me up when I was a kid, does that mean I should hate black people now? Following your reasoning, I should.

          • Raylan Givens

            No you shouldn’t as race or ethnic origin should never come to play. But there is a difference. If you were choked, arrested and charged with crimes (that are not crimes) by a black guy with a badge, you’d be very careful and potentially hateful of them going forward.

          • Josef Roesler

            There is absolutely no difference in my example. It’s a group. You’re supposed to hate on cops as a group because they hurt you, then it should be ok to hate on blacks as a group because they hurt you. Absolutely no difference. Don’t get bent out of shape because one happens to be a race and you’re obligated to go all PC on it.

          • Raylan Givens

            It’s only a group because you created the group. The fact, as you well know, is that police officers are held to a much higher standard
            than civilian citizens, whether the officer is Black, White, Hispanic or Asian.
            It’s much more different than individual relationships. As such we usually don’t pass judgment on groups. When that trust is breached by law enforcement, by in large it’s a group because the public does not have an individual relationship with the entire department. They have only the experience imbedded in their mind and wallets as a result of an “agencies or departments” aka groups actions.

            I (and probably you as well) would have been hung out to dry if I did a fraction of what I’ve seen different agencies do to law abiding citizens. But, as of late, that’s not the norm anymore. These different agencies (such as Miami Police Department) have brought this stigma upon themselves as a group and the good ones (individuals) like you and I get caught in the crossfire. That’s a fact in which we can’t escape, for the time being anyway.

          • Josef Roesler

            How did I create a group known as black people?

            Why do you keep arguing what dirty cops do is wrong? How many times does someone have to agree with you cop haters before you stop saying dirty cops are wrong?

            You keep changing the subject in your zeal to hate on cops. The subject is, if a group of people hurts you, you’re supposed to hate them forever. That’s what’s been said here. Focus. It’s natural to hate an entire group because of what ONE person in the group did to you. It was said here! So that same logic allows that if ONE person in a race of people hurts you, you should hate them forever. If ONE dog bites you, you should hate dogs forever. If ONE mosquito bites you, you should hate mosquitoes forever. If ONE bolt of lightning hits you, you should hate lightning forever. If you eat ONE bad shrimp, you should hate shrimp forever. If ONE dictator exterminates an entire race of people, you should hate all dictators. All of those are exactly the same as far as your logic about why you should hate someone. And it’s all bullshit.

            What you do is, you grow up and accept that all of anything is never the same…except maybe dictators…and mosquitoes…

          • Raylan Givens

            Wow. Did you just fall off the turnip truck? You just don’t get it.

          • Josef Roesler

            Sure thing, the post was about cop hating websites and you keep arguing the undeniable, unquestionable fact that dirty cops are bad…and you think I don’t get it.

          • Raylan Givens

            My point is quite simple. Law enforcement agencies are a
            group of people. Not all are bad and I think PINAC recognizes this fact. However, this site focuses on the bad and only the bad. I think they are in the early stages of trying to find solutions to the issues facing their readership that have been victimized by bad cops.

            If you feel you’re being slighted because you’re not being
            praised because you are a police officer and feel compelled to have your ego stroked, then Google Good Cops Don’t Commit Crimes and you’ll be amongst friends. Not sure what else to say here…

            I was a good cop. I’m here to share my knowledge and such, help
            if possible and not complain or debate whether or not this is a cop hating website. Sorry for any confusion.

          • Josef Roesler

            So is it a regular thing for you to go around making things up about people like that? That’s how you deal with someone who corrects you? When you were a dirty cop, did you make up things about your suspects as well, like they all do? You just did it about me, and you don’t even know me, so I suppose it’s a real high likelihood you did it to suspects who hurt your feelings in the streets.

            There’s no such thing as a good cop, just ask anyone on this forum. You’re not here to help. How is making up things about me sharing knowledge when you have no facts to back up what you’re saying?

            If you’re not here to debate whether or not this is a cop hating website, why did you enter a thread which was doing so? Everything you say is a lie. You can’t be trusted, you’re a jackbooted thug just like all the rest of them.

            Typical.

          • Raylan Givens

            You’re spent. Call a cab to take you home from StarBucks. By the way, since you enjoy worrying about things you can’t control, worry about what’s going on between Israel and Iran. That should keep you occupied for a while.

          • Josef Roesler

            You like silencing people, do you? You’re good at trampling people’s freedoms, right? Any bit of dissent and you’re all over someone. Is that why you’re not a cop any more?

          • Raylan Givens

            No Josef. Actually I left my job as a police officer to enter the energy sector. Now I’m not sure which was worse. The assoholes I worked with
            like you in law enforcement, the criminal I arrested t or the thief’s running
            the energy company’s

          • Josef Roesler

            Now I’m an asshole. You’re just full of the insults like the cop haters on this forum. But if you were a cop, you were an asshole as well. Because all cops are assholes. Just as surely as I’m one. And I know since I have never abused my authority or neglected my oath, that if I am an asshole, you surely must be rotten to the core. It’s a good thing you got out before you murdered someone for looking at you wrong.

          • Raylan Givens

            I can take all the shit you want to give without getting twisted out of shape… I can disagree as can you. The difference is when you are labeled in some fashion or another you become unstuck. The fact is police departments and organizations are grouped together and that’s something you just can’t seem to comprehend. Typical of an officer that has a very high opinion of himself. The most dangerous type….

          • Josef Roesler

            Yeah, except I don’t start insulting people because they something I don’t agree with. That’s a thing you do. Don’t know why you feel that’s necessary. The only shit being given out is from your end. I was talking civilly to you until you started with the hate-mentality insults. I’m just giving you some typical replies like I get from these haters all the time.

            People are grouped together too. Don’t know why that’s so hard for you to comprehend. I guess your high opinion of yourself since you left the police is at the root of it. Citizens like you are dangerous.

            The discussion is about hatred of a group for doing things they shouldn’t do. You cannot limit the group to just police officers as being subject to hate because you are scared to offend some sacred group. Lots of other groups do things they shouldn’t do and are not exempt.

          • Raylan Givens

            Go back and read your thread with me. You became incoherent and unhinged. There is no point in repeating myself. If you didn’t have the time to get it the first time, where will you possibly find the time to get it again. Give it up and go to bed….

          • Josef Roesler

            Sure thing, I made a statement about groups and hatred and because you failed to comprehend it, that made me incoherent and unhinged. That’s your cue to start slinging insults. I got it.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, true dat!–violent (A)narchists among them. I have a police scanner going 24/7. All I hear are people being profiled, categorized, labeled, targeted, and discriminated against on it. Criminals are the new black–which stands to reason since most of them ARE black…oh wait, I already said that.
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          • Josef Roesler

            If you hear people being discriminated against on a police channel, you should be reporting that to the proper authorities. But once again, that brings us right back to the problem with this website, nobody actually doing anything about the dirty cops except preaching to the choir.

            But profiling, categorizing, labeling, and targeting are all part of the job. If you’re not doing anything illegal, they’re probably not talking about you.

          • pinbalwyz

            On the contrary, most of the people the cops and the dispatchers discuss aren’t doing anything illegal. But, they’re labeling, profiling, and targeting them anyway. Folks should listen for themselves and make up their own minds on virtually any scanner channel. It speaks volumes about police culture today. Citizens are typically spoken about as though they were the ‘enemy’, or inmates at the very least.
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          • Josef Roesler

            When cops are being sent to crime scenes to deal with criminals, don’t expect them to talk like they’re going to choir practice. You really seem to get your feelings hurt easily. You probably shouldn’t listen to the bad men talking. Does bathroom humor offend you as well?

          • pinbalwyz

            Yes, bathroom humor offends me. It’s gratuitous and stupid. Cops who lie offend me too. Am I too sensitive? I’m a businessman and a paralegal. I get some pretty bizarre phone calls–some quite frustrating. I do not speak to the caller disparagingly or disrespectfully. I may refer them to an attorney if I feel I can’t help them. I have fairly high standards for myself and for the police who serve my community. The ones who meet it are appreciated. The ones who don’t, aren’t.
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          • Josef Roesler

            “Yes, bathroom humor offends me.”
            No surprise there. Don’t listen when the bad men talk.

            What does it matter how you speak to people who call you? What does that have to do with cops beating people?

          • pinbalwyz

            Because cops should/must be professional, even when dealing with coarse people. Should a preacher become vulgar because his congregation is full of sinners? Cops are fired all the time for failing to be professional–and justly so!
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          • Josef Roesler

            I asked what does it matter how YOU speak to people who call you? What’s that got to do with cops’ need to be professional?

          • pinbalwyz

            Uhhh…Josef!–you’re reverting to reducto ad absurdum again, and ad hominem to boot. Purrrrrrr…we LOVE you–really. Relaxxxxx!
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          • Josef Roesler

            Actually, I’m not doing anything again, since you’re replying to a message I posted a month ago.

            And there is nothing absurd about using one’s faulty logic to make a point.

            You should really pick another foreign language, because Latin seems to be lost on you. Ad hominem does not apply to my post.

          • pinbalwyz

            Raylan, do I get a choice? It’s looking bad–like we’re stuck with all of them. :(
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          • Rail Car Fan

            It’s quite obvious by the above rant that “Josef” sounds like he has some very deep rooted issues when it comes to not only this web site… but those who post here (me included).

            It’s attitudes like his that turn the public against those few good cops who try to interact doing right, but get lumped in with those “Badge Bully” cops who don’t.

            Rail Car Fan

          • Josef Roesler

            So when I use direct quotes from this website and post assclown messages that I have actually received on this forum to make an example, I have deep rooted issues. But you don’t think the people who made the original posts to me in the first place have deep rooted issues. Why do you have a double standard like that? Are only cop-haters allowed to post crazy shit like that?

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, I’m in this forum and *I* have said there are many decent, honest, competent, professional cops I’ve met, even praised. Perhaps you overstated your case?
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          • Josef Roesler

            I guess you’re not familiar with sarcasm for emphasis. As I said to you before, reading what I was replying to would help you greatly with context.

          • Rail Car Fan

            “Raylan”…

            It’s not that he doesn’t get it (as in it’s hard for him to understand because the subject is to complex)… it’s that he doesn’t “WANT” to willingly get it.

            Rail Car Fan

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, please…stop resorting to reducto ad absurdum. How many pit bulls have to personally bite you before you begin to distrust the breed? How many men would have to rape a woman before she distrusted men? How many cops have to behave like Nazis before they incur opprobrium as a group? When the tipping point arrives and people conclude it’s the nature of the beast, generalization sets in. It’s a natural human reaction and that point has arrived. I’ve NEVER been bitten by a poisonous snake, yet I fear them. Am I stupid?–no, because it’s the nature of the beast. (“Listen, bitch–you KNEW I was a snake when you picked me up!”) Cops are taught to KONTROL a person/situation with intimidation, bullying, and escalating force/violence. People resent them for it. Imagine that. If a bouncer came to me crying that no one understands him and how difficult his job is, I’d unsympathetically suggest he get a dog.
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          • Josef Roesler

            If you’re going to start speaking Latin, you should make an effort to spell it correctly. Kinda defeats your effort to look brainy. And although my argument is absurd, it is nonetheless accurate.

            If you’re going to reply to something I said in reply to another person (and you seem to be on a mission to reply to every single post I have ever made), it would help if you actually read what the other person said so you’d have the proper context to speak to me in Latin about.

            And since the answer to all of your questions is ONE, then you happily agree with me that is ONE black person abuses you, you should, in fact, hate them all. Good work. Now we are getting somewhere.

            And I could make the same argument about how blacks are raised as well. Let’s try it, shall we? Blacks are raised to hate whitey, blacks are raised to be violent and people resent them for it (racism). Imagine that. If a black person came to me crying that no one understands him and how difficult his job is, I’d unsympathetically suggest he get a dog. It works exactly the same way.

            Now the CORRECT way to go about this would be to say if a violent, aggressive, black person came to me crying that no one understands him and how difficult his job is, I’d unsympathetically suggest he get a dog.

            Or for you, if a dirty, corrupt cop came to me crying that no one understands him and how difficult his job is, I’d unsympathetically suggest he get a dog.

            I guess it really hurts everyone’s feelings because political correctness has everyone scared to say anything about a certain race any more, but my use of “blacks” is to say that if you think it’s ok to generalize about cops, it makes as much sense to generalize about blacks.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, no, the fallacy of your argument (whether its Latin is spelled correctly or not) is rooted in your taking the most extreme position possible and characterizing that as the substance of your argument. It isn’t because it flies in the face of what everyone knows is true from their own experience. We know, for instance, that oppression comes from our overlords, not the underclass or racial minorities historically discriminated against.

            PC (politically correct) language is sometimes burdensome, to say the least, but it doesn’t translate into mooting how police are too often used as instruments of state sponsored terrorism and oppression, brutality and injustice, threats and intimidation, purveyors of the erosion of human rights and privacy, free speech and photography, access to the commons and public facilities. In short, the police have begun to evolve indistinguishably into the new praetorian guard with all the corruption that implies.
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          • Josef Roesler

            You’re certainly on your soapbox today, but you really have nothing to say at all about the posts you are replying to.

            Whether my position is extreme has no bearing on whether it is legitimate. My comparison is still correct.

          • pinbalwyz

            Blacks don’t beat on people under the color of law. Cops do–BIG difference! Blacks don’t LIE about what they’ve done fully expecting to be believed–COPS do! I can protect my self from or avoid blacks. I cannot protect myself from or avoid cops. Cops have a license to kill. Blacks do not.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Only a difference because you want there to be. And yes, almost all blacks who go to jail do lie about what they did, expecting someone to believe them. (not just blacks, but we are talking about blacks here) You are sadly deluded if you think otherwise.

            Actually it’s easier to avoid cops than it is to avoid blacks, whose population is much larger than that of cops. I successfully avoided cops my whole life before I became one. Can’t say the same for having avoided blacks and getting beaten up by them.

            Blacks have the exact same license to kill as cops do. You do as well. It’s called the 2nd Amendment. A cop has no greater right to kill a person than you do.

          • pinbalwyz

            There’s a difference, Josef. Black kids don’t have the state shielding them from the consequences of their actions. Cops do. Even dogs know enough to develop an attitude toward their abuser. Should blacks have hated all slave masters? After all, surely there were some ‘benign’ ones. Cops essentially act to enforce policies favoring the privileged classes and dispossessing/oppressing the poor/homeless. Should a hog hate all butchers? Should a Jew hate all Nazis? The difficulty in communications here centers on what the role/mission of the police is. When that role is to serve as a tool of oppression, the police are justly hated. The oppressed almost always hate their overlords.
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          • Josef Roesler

            Did you put any thought into this at all? Yes, all slaves should have hated all master. There was nothing benign about owning slaves. Geez.

            Yes a Jew should hate all Nazis. What is wrong with you?

            Who is shielding someone has nothing to do with whether you should hate someone who hurt you. The person who did it is who is to blame.

            Therefore, if a black person harmed me, like a cop harmed you, we should hate them all equally because either of them is very likely to do it again.

          • pinbalwyz

            Blacks don’t stick a gun in your face (at least mine) or threaten you with arrest/jail, or lie about their encounter, or deprive me of fundamental liberties, or have a tank, or roam my neighborhood like an armed occupying force, bully/intimidate/threaten me. I’m not saying this is always the case for everyone. I’m saying experience HERE indicates the police are the greatest danger–at least in my neighborhood/area. No black person has told me I can’t photograph in public. BUT, I’d be among the first to tell you cops are not the ONLY ones who have. I even had a local judge try to make that argument until she saw me getting my back up.

            I really don’t discriminate along racial lines. NOBODY is welcome in my home without an appointment or arranging for a visit. As a matter of fact, people of color have done me some serious favors in my life. One of the more competent black LEO’s I’ve met was a sergeant for the Thurston Co. Sheriff. I’m not especially a cake walk, yet he handled himself professionally. I was impressed. I also recorded the audio of the entire encounter without his knowledge. I have yet to post it. Yeah, I ‘owned’ him because I was completely under his control, but he wasn’t aware I was documenting the entire thing. Why would I do such a thing?–why wouldn’t I! Under the circumstances, he was on duty and had no expectation of privacy. In fact, I pointed at some cameras and said, “You mean everything we’re doing/saying is being recorded?” He did begin to get suspicious at that point, but not enough. Still, I’d said too much. So, for anyone listening, don’t try to be cute or assume the LEO’s are stupid. Often, they aren’t. Keep your mouth shut and keep recording.
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          • Josef Roesler

            OK, logic breakdown here. You are telling me that because no blacks have offended you, there is no reason to hate them as a group. The same logic says that since no cop has ever wronged me, cops do no harm either.

            The next 15 lines of your speech had nothing to do with anything, other than you being defensive about the blacks, so no response needed.

          • pinbalwyz

            But Josef, there *have* been blacks who have offended me. I can’t think of an ethnic group I’ve encountered that a member of it hasn’t. They’re people. However, unlike cops, they don’t have a license to kill or treat me like they have authority over me or a license to kill. You’ve consistently angled for an ‘all or nothing’ premise in your arguments. I’ve repeatedly rejected that premise. What I have said is lying by police officers is all too common rather than the exception. You claim only a tiny fraction of a percent do so. I’ve said my experience, which I don’t believe is unique, indicates otherwise. You respond with the argument that must make me a ‘criminal’. I guess I’m supposed to rejoin, that must make you a cop!

            Bottom line for what I had to say is simple. Far too many cops lie a lot, under oath and in their reports. It’s not a small fraction, either. It’s ubiquitous. Do I have a survey of cops filling out a questionnaire as to how often they lie under oath? No. I don’t think anyone does. But I know it’s sunny in Miami, even though I’ve never been there. People who have, tell me it’s so. I have reason to believe them. Moreover, I *HAVE* been to the land where lies by the police are accepted routinely and it happens often. Based on what I know from personal experience, the majority of cops who write up a report or testify under oath, LIE! I don’t even have to be the litigant. I have PERSONALLY watched cops (as a reporter covering an event) LIE OUT LOUD as the attempt to invent a violation when making an arrest (“If you assault me, I’m going to arrest you!”) for assault when there was none. Another favorite: “Stop resisting arrest!” when there is no resistance. You know, if cops only lied on occasion, they might be able to bamboozle the majority of citizens. But, it has become so routine as to become common knowledge. You can dispute that by claiming there’s no data base proving it, but people don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
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        • dissentingd

          Sir, I appreciate you being willing to come here and discuss your opinions here with people who may disagree with you. Its unfortunate, however, how ineffectively you have done so. In this quite lengthy thread, it appears you have turned more people against yourself than towards. Some of your remarks seem to border on trolling, but this I understand as one naturally gets defensive (and less rational) when seemingly attacked.

          Ironically enough, whenever so-called “cop haters” appear to attempt to interact with you on a more serious level, your arguments separate from the topic at hand and get very generalized or personal.

          And it seems this issue of whether PINAC subscribers are “cop haters” is the topic most discussed. Your original comment states: “I believe the owner of PINAC is a cop-hater and is trying to smear law enforcement….”, as well as “[Carlos] has no interest showing any cops in a good light when they actually take their oath seriously. He can’t do that because that would confuse his cop-hating following.” These are your opinions, and you are welcome to them. By the responses it seems your opinions may not be agreed with here, but are accepted as part of the debate.

          What is interesting to me is that you seem to take issue with people making generalizations about groups, as your counter examples attempt to poorly illustrate, and you believe subscribers here are guilty of generalizing cops as bad, hence the “cop hater” label. This makes you guilty of the same disservice you complain about, a problem known as hypocrisy, but in this case we will temporarily let it slide and refer to it as a defensive reaction of behaving in the same manner as you feel wronged to show the other side their error by example. This satire, however, only works when the other side actually has committed the wrong.

          See, what seems to be missed by you, repeatedly, is that Carlos isn’t a cop-hater, he’s a cop-skeptic. He doesn’t trust and respect police automatically. He doesn’t naturally respect authority. He requires evidence that the person with the badge deserves those attitudes. The reasons he is this way are well documented on this site and others like CopBlock. This was brought to your attention in this discussion and your accusation was refuted with the proof that Carlos has occasionally posted positive stories about badge-wearers.

          Cop-haters don’t do that, so by logic, PINAC is not a “cop hater” website, nor is Carlos a “cop hater”. Your opinion was wrong. Change it, or don’t and continue to be provably wrong.

          However, I will agree there are probably plenty of “cop haters” who comment here. There are also idiots as well as cops. However, that does not make this a “cop-hating idiot cop website”. That’s just bad logic.

          There are also people like @disqus_F1YYwjwPTy:disqus who are former cops with good opinions and a willingness to share. I thank him for his clear and honest attempts to help you understand your misconceptions.

          The majority of the people here, including Carlos, could be grouped as “bad cop haters”. By your own words, I believe that you would be a member of that group too.

          However, I believe the root of the problem here lies with deference. You believe not enough is being shown to all the good cops in the country. I’m am sorry to break this to you, but the bad cops that the good cops have traditionally allowed to remain involved in law enforcement have ruined the taste in the mouth of the public when it comes to police, and its getting worse as cameras continue to document it. We, as a public, trust the police less and less. That is ALL police’s fault, not the fault of people who bring these misdeeds to light.

          As was stated elsewhere, if you want a positive spin on police behavior, it can be found elsewhere. Here be a place for slaying dragons: bad cops. Don’t complain about that being what you find here. That’s what this place is.

          As far as accomplishing more than bitching, we do, and that’s documented on this site as well. We’ve had, and will continue to have, a tremendous impact. More impact on police accountability, I’d venture to say, than your efforts…. And we continue to welcome your efforts and discussions, even as they may differ from our own.

          Everyone’s efforts at police accountability often fall short, as you so kindly point out, and this is largely due to the way police have insulated themselves from any punishment. This seems to be something you agree with most people here about, and I would recommend you try working with others here to help.

          Name calling, whether by you or others here, never helps. I notice how you admonish others for their name calling, but are quick to do the same in return if they behave this way. Don’t be that guy.

          So, to help you have more productive in future discussions:
          Avoid name calling. Don’t start with calling people “haters”, as you did. Just not a good beginning.

          Don’ t generalize. In just this comment, you say “The thing with these sites…” Bad go.

          Don’t assume or ascribe behaviors or opinions, especially to the future. Such statements like “His followers would have him hate them as well” aren’t fair or even reality-based.

          Don’t assign others to groups, especially if you don’t like group generalizations on your side.

          Don’t get rabid, especially with the closest thing to a friend you have, when they try to help you back away calmly from crazyland, as Raylan tried to do. Re-read your responses to him in a couple days. I agree with him, and I think you will too.

          I hope you have better luck on your future discussions here and elsewhere.

          And fellow-PINACer’s, stop antagonizing the cops who come here who at least try to be polite…. we want to change hearts and minds, and being dicks doesn’t help. Don’t become the thing you hate. (But I compliment you on your improvement. This is better than it used to be.)

          • Josef Roesler

            Showing cops in a good light was a very minor point I made, but you sure took off with that one. I don’t expect good cop videos here.

            So Carlos isn’t a cop-hater, he’s a cop-skeptic. With the same logic as before, from my own well documented experience with abuse from black people, then I should be a black people skeptic. I should merely be wary of all black people, not really hate them. Glad that’s cleared up.

            “The thing with these sites…” is that they all generalize…that all cops are bad. But it’s a bad go if I do it, not if the site does it. Gotcha, corrected.

            My responses to Raylan were based on his/her dismissal of my opinion from the get go. So if I were to tell you right now in my first reply to you that you must have fallen off the turnip truck, as Raylan did, you’d have to agree with me that is so. Glad that’s resolved.

            Raylan’s problem is that he/she has the incorrect belief that only police are to be generalized, and no other group of people can have that apply. So once again, you think it right if Raylan generalizes the police, but you don’t like to see me generalize cop-hating websites.

            That’s all a lot to take in. Thanks.

          • dissentingd

            So you’re all the way cleared up:

            I’m glad you have finally admitted this isn’t a “cop hater” website and Carlos is not a “cop hater”. Glad you could admit your error.

            And people don’t choose to be black. They’re born that way. People aren’t born cops. You confuse voluntary association with race. It is blatant logical fallacies you are utilizing, and you realize it.

            Also, interactions with police are not necessarily voluntary, so they inherently breed skepticism. One side has no choice of involvement. The other side does (they can quit and earn a more decent living).

            To give you a few sure-to-be-twisted examples:

            If a city inspector’s over-zealousness citations caused a series of fines, inappropriately, that resulted with you losing your home, you would be skeptical of allowing city inspectors (or possibly all inspectors) near your home again.

            If a teacher confused bruises from another sibling on your child for child abuse and your children were improperly taken from you as a result, you may be skeptical of teachers (or even all public school employees). You may choose to homeschool your children as a result of your skepticism.

            If you were put in jail by an officer of the law, when you committed no crime and could not hold that officer accountable due to his word being considered more trustworthy than yours, a “citizen’s” (or even collaborated by fellow lying officers of the law), you may want to document every police encounter to its fullest possible, including video and audio recording.

            These may not be the most positive responses to such situations, but they are understandable. I think you get that and agree.

            In short, if your forced interactions with public servants resulted in an injustice to you (or you have witnessed such an injustice occur to others by public servants in their duties), you might ACTUALLY DEVELOP A BIAS AND RESPOND TO THOSE RISKS.

            See, you have a bias. You believe most cops are good. You have developed that bias based on your experiences and observations. There is nothing wrong with that bias, just as there is nothing wrong with Carlos’s bias that a cop might or may even probably be bad. His are also based on experiences and observations. That doesn’t make your bias any more accurate than his or vice versa.

            As for the effects of bias, they may alter your behavior to avoid the potential risks you relate to the biased subject/individual/group. In my examples, you are not welcoming to inspectors or home school your children. In your example, you avoid black people to prevent a re-occurrence of your negative experience. Some would call that racist, but I doubt anyone would question your freedom to do so.

            YOUR BIAS THAT COPS ARE GOOD RESULTS IN YOU BEING SKEPTICAL OF PEOPLE WHO DOUBT COPS’ INTENTIONS.

            The interesting thing about your example of generalization is it doesn’t focus on the original damage or cause. See if a black cop roughed you up, it was his badge and coworkers that allowed it, not his skin color, and you’d be skeptical of badge-wearers. If it was a black youth who did it, it was his youth and overpowering characteristics which allowed your defeat (strength, size, surprise, etc). In such a situation, you would be skeptical of young aggressive individuals or of people who could easily startle you, etc.

            See the bias would develop against the cause of the unfairness. In your example, its just racist. But it is baiting, which is why you chose it.

            PINAC and COPBLOCK don’t generalize that cops are bad. They generalize that cops aren’t easily held accountable, that cops aren’t enforcing the law justly or even familiar with the relevant laws, that cops are trained to assert authority for situation control rather than respecting rights, and that the most effective method of improving police accountability is sunlight. In culmination, when looked through the bias of “cops are good”, this seems like someone saying “cops are bad”.

            Also, “these sites” aren’t the comments. They’re the articles. Don’t confuse the two.

            As for your terrible responses to Raylan:
            I don’t think poorly made arguments and name-calling are an appropriate response to anything. Apparently, you do, except when others do it to you. That would make you a hypocrite, by definition. If you don’t like it being done to you and think it wrong, don’t do it at all. By doing so, you are likewise just as wrong. There is no “self-defense” argument in debate. You either can prove your point or not.

            I know its a lot.
            Take as long as you like. We’ll all patiently wait for you to finally get it.

          • Josef Roesler

            Too much babble to read, not gonna waste my time reading what you decide I think. I saw you tell me several times in there what I believe, so there’s really no discussion there, right? Keep waiting.

            “People aren’t born cops. You confuse voluntary association with race.” So I chose to get beat up by a black guy when I was a kid. You’re saying I volunteered for that. It wasn’t the black kid’s fault he beat up a white kid for being white. Understood.

            My replies to Raylan were in kind. You start slinging unwarranted insults, I start getting satirical. You understand satire? Exaggeration for effect? There was no need for Raylan to be insulting.

          • dissentingd

            As I stated previously:

            “Some of your remarks seem to border on trolling, but this I understand as one naturally gets defensive (and less rational) when seemingly attacked.

            Ironically enough, whenever so-called “cop haters” appear to attempt to interact with you on a more serious level, your arguments separate from the topic at hand and get very generalized or personal.”

            Thank you for re-confirming your inability to explain or defend yourself competently.

            I find it interesting that you feel it appropriate to respond to stuff you haven’t read. I believe “ignorance and opinion” would be an apt description of your last response and your entire argument.

            Also, thank you for continuing to use the poorly thought out “black guy” analogy. It helps to strengthen other readers’ impressions of you as a racist cop with bad reading comprehension. That may not be your intention, but that’s how it reads.

            The only reference to “You believe” in my last comment was “You believe most cops are good.” I guess you changed your opinion since your last numerical evaluation of good vs bad cops.

            I understand satire quite well. Do you understand logic?

          • Josef Roesler

            I replied to what I read. I said I didn’t read it all. I did not say I read none of it. I did not reply to the parts I didn’t read. I wouldn’t know how to do that.

            It’s a shame my use of “black guy” bothers you. Does “white guy” bother you as well? Are we having a sophistication contest? The analogy is relevant no matter the racist spin you want to put on it. I never said I hated black people, I said Carlos’ fear of cops should engender the same fear of black people in me. See that word “should” right there? That is a different word than “does.” It has a completely different meaning. And no, if a racist black guy attacked me, it would be racist black guys at risk of my fear, not guys who outmatch me.

            “Whenever so-called “cop haters” appear to attempt to interact with [me] on a more serious level,” it is usually ended with an insult. You can’t be serious when you wrap it in an insult. Don’t expect a serious reply. Your previous veiled attempt to correct my errors was a method of insult as well, which is why I didn’t waste much time on it.

          • dissentingd

            I haven’t insulted you, and I will continue to not do so. If you think my accusation that you have an “inability to defend yourself competently” is an insult, you are incorrect. I was merely pointing out that you failed to address any of the points I made and instead decided to change the topic and move on, as I previously had observed is your pattern. You even admitted to not reading it all before responding…. Read what you are discussing, then address the points and you will have shown your competence. Otherwise, its just a description, not an insult.

            However, if you are saying you won’t engage in serious debate because an insult might occur by another side at the end, you might wish to evaluate your debating purpose. That’s like saying, “I don’t want to finish this boxing match, as there is a chance the other boxer might hit me below the belt.” A good boxer calls the foul, he doesn’t jump out of the ring, especially before any fouls happen.

            Where’s the foul?

            You said: ” I said Carlos’ fear of cops should engender the same fear of black people in me.” Can you explain why?

            See, if Carlos had a fear of cops, which I don’t know or not, it would likely be based on his previous experiences of cops unjustly incarcerating and injuring him, and his desire for that not to occur again. Why would blacks fear you similarly? Do you incarcerate and injure blacks unjustly?

            Trust me, I don’t expect a serious response. Most of your comments seem to illustrate trolling, as I said before. But most trolls lose their arguments, instead reverting to annoying noise. The bother is the goal. I hope you are not trolling, and instead came here to prove your point or understand the flip side of your opinion. But you don’t seem to want to engage, instead only responding with some repetition and dismissal.

            As to my supposed “veiled attempts to correct your errors”, I can’t correct your mistakes, and unfortunately, neither can you. I’m sorry if you found my advice insulting. It was not intended to be. It was good advice to help you be a better communicator and a more convincing debater. Grain of salt; not taken.

            If you read the comments you respond to in full, you might avoid repeating the same unconvincing analogies again. Then you might be able to move on to proving the point you wish to make.

            So sad.

          • Josef Roesler

            You don’t read what you’re replying to either. Or you do and ignore what was written and twist it to your own end. But as I said, I did read the parts I replied to.

            “You said: ” I said Carlos’ fear of cops should engender the same fear of black people in me.” Why would blacks fear you similarly? Do you incarcerate and injure blacks unjustly?”

            Did you read it wrong just to accuse me of racism again? I’m not going to bother explaining how wrong you are here. If you seriously read that the way you responded, have someone else read it to you. I will no longer engage you with your insults and accusations. You are wrong. That is the end of it.

          • dissentingd

            I still haven’t insulted you, by the way.

            And job well done at reading at least portions of the comments to which you respond.

            I have never accused you of racism, however your poorly chosen examples lead readers to get that impression, as I have stated before. Defend your example or pick another, and people probably wouldn’t get that impression.

            But it appears we have come to the end of our debate, as you quit.

            You can always find the loser, when they claim victory without any evidence or resignation by the other side. Losers of battle will later declare they won, based only on their word. They must have, since they say so.

            How could they face the loss? How could they admit their own failures, even to themselves?

            Thanks, champion, for being able to show me whatever it was I am so obviously wrong about!

          • Josef Roesler

            I haven’t claimed anything.

            I don’t deal with racebaiters. Good day.

          • dissentingd

            How, then, do you deal with yourself?

            (Hint: you brought race into the discussion, failed to expound how it wasn’t only race-based, and refuse to use any example other than a person of some race being mean to you.)

            Also, great job continuing to troll. You contribute no new points, refute no points raised, and make wild accusations against others.

            How, specifically, have I insulted or accused you?

            How effective have you found accusing others of your own inadequacies for deflection to be?

            What’s it like to not know how to defend your opinions without insults?

            Do you know what the opposite of a troll is?

          • Josef Roesler

            Actually, I gave about 6 other examples.

          • dissentingd

            Actually, you didn’t give 6 examples of anything to me, except trolling.

            You don’t even have a point or an actual response to anything.

          • Josef Roesler

            I don’t need to repeat myself to you when I’ve already given the examples in this thread. If you’re that concerned about it, take the time to read what you are responding to. I’ve already said what needed to be said to you. The fact that I have told you I will not be race baited by you and you continue making your snide comments tells me who the troll really is. I am finished talking to you since you’re not actually concerned with discussing the OP.

          • dissentingd

            I repeatedly wrote lengthy discussions directed at you about the OP and you avoided responding to anything I said with substance. I’m happy to discuss the OP.

            You, however, are not. Your goal appears to be to continue to try to introduce race into the topic, hoping I get frustrated and insult you, but having failed at that, are moving on to troll more people.

            There is no substance in any of your responses to me, but you claim I don’t wish to discuss the topic.

            You suck at making any points, by the way. Try summarizing your argument (whatever may be left of it).

          • Raylan Givens

            You really crack me up. Posing as law enforcement and making
            the accusations you’ve made in your original post/comment is nothing short of astounding. Based on this comment and others, it certainly sounds like you’re a hater of possible cop haters, and when objections are produced you have no direct response. But for some reason it seems you can’t really articulate your response and/or defense
            to your original comments. But then again, maybe you’ve completed that task in your own mind. It’s almost like paranoia isn’t paranoia, unless of course it’s real. Mysteries make my head hurt.

          • Josef Roesler

            How is it I’m posing? And exactly why are you astounded to hear that someone thinks people running cop hating websites are cop haters?

            There is actually nothing in my previous comment that you can base your newest conclusion that I hate cop haters. I merely stated to a troll that I wasn’t going to be race baited by him and that I had already posted what he was saying I wasn’t answering. That doesn’t mean I can’t really articulate my response and/or defense to my original comments, it merely means I have already done so in a previous message. How is that a mystery to you? The response I was referring to is one that was directed to you and from what I could tell at the time, you had read.

            If your head hurts, it’s because you are trying to resurrect a dead conversation.

          • Raylan Givens

            I can tell you’re “posing” (and no it’s not magic or a premonition)
            so don’t bother implying I have some sort of secret powers to detect this fact or ask me to articulate why for that matter. You are not a ) police officer or at least not a good one, if one at all.Most likely you’re a wannabe cop if anything at all. It may be not as clear to some of the viewership on this site, but it’s obvious to me. Maybe you’d have better luck in one of those twisted law enforcement hating sites like the Sovereign Citizen Movement types. They don’t even recognize law enforcement; therefore, you should be able to make some serious headway with them in regards to cop haters. Based on the way you’re going, you stand a good chance of becoming their Exalted Ruler.

            Be sure to report back to us with your results.

          • Josef Roesler

            Good for you, you ‘re really special. Good day.

          • pinbalwyz

            I’m uncertain what’s meant by ‘trolling’. It seems like a term with a slippery definition. Some people like to argue/debate. Are they ‘trolls’?
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • dissentingd

            IMHO: Debating? Not trolling. Arguing? Probably.

            People who like to debate have a purpose (generally, convincing the other side or improving the quality of their argument). To “argue”, IMHO, is split to two definitions (“to make arguments” ie debate, same meaning; or “to disagree using other means than logic”, ie arguing with your wife which might be based on emotions, situations other than the topic at hand, etc). To “argue” has gained a negative connotation in society. I like debating. Its civil and topical. Who like arguing? Its disagreement without resolution with anger or spite, etc.

            People who are uncertain would do well to look things up and decide for themselves. Definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

            All terms that carry a negative connotation could be described as slippery, since one who wields one would like the accusation to stick and the recipient does not.

            However, I stand by my accusation in this case. The respondent refused to contribute anything substantially new, repeatedly attempted to be inflammatory, refused to respond to discussion, and constantly changed the subject or ignored refute. You, however, are welcome to believe what you would like after reading and I don’t mind if you disagree.

            Hope you enjoyed the read. Moving on…
            (PS: your comment? A little trollish. Have a great day!)

          • pinbalwyz

            ??? non sequitur (it does not follow)–a disjointed fallacy because either there is no premise (major or minor) or the conclusion does not follow.

            (Vignette where Woody Allen is being taught as a student in the discipline of classical logic):
            Plato: All men are mortal.
            Socrates is a man.
            What conclusion do you deduce from this?

            Woody: All men are Socrates?
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            You know, you throw Latin around a lot, but you don’t bother to say what it is you think “does not follow.” Merely slinging a lot of Latin does not make you a scholar.

            Watch this, here’s what I think about what you wrote, e pluribus unim and et tu Brute. Data venia. Qualitas potentia nostra and habeas corpus!!!

            See, I can do it too.
            Habetis bona deum.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, but other groups DO get generalized/labeled, including ‘criminals’ even though many are convicted of victimless crimes. People do tend to generalize once they begin to see a pattern. There’s, with respect to evolution, survival value in that. All intelligent creatures do this…even the simplest flatworms. I believe you’re unwittingly engaging in logical fallacies, which frustrates your discussions and your readers. There’s a couple of great websites describing what they are. Google them.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            The readers are frustrated simply because they don’t want anything to take away from their hatred of cops and because of their submission to political correctness.

            But you and I have established today that all black people are as evil as all cops are; we are on the same page and there are no fallacies. I’m glad you agree with me.

            Why is there a website in your signature that doesn’t exist?

          • pinbalwyz

            If you believe (I think you’re being disingenuous) I agree that ‘all black peope are as evil as all cops are’, you misunderstood me. I said no such thing. In fact, I took the trouble to point out the obvious: blacks in America are a minority group that has historically been oppressed, discriminated against, and continues to be.

            My website exists. It’s assumed you recognize the ‘-‘ isn’t part of a web address just like it isn’t part of the spelling of an author’s name in
            -B. Franklin-
            Sometimes critical reasoning comes in handy.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            So because blacks have been oppressed, now they aren’t capable of being evil? That’s like saying they aren’t capable of being racist either. That really makes no sense. About as much sense as hating an entire group because one member wronged you.

            Critical reasoning does not help a person know what a web address is since there are infinite possible addresses. Nobody puts a dash at the END of a byline, so it is not expected that the one at the end of your address doesn’t belong there.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, you seem reasonably computer literate and familiar with the scene. ‘/wordpress’ is a common extension to blog web addresses–as common as rain. A simple Google search for ‘amicuscuria’ would reveal as much. Critical reasoning and problem solving go hand in hand.

            As to ‘blacks’, why do you feel compelled to continually couch your arguments using them as a reference point? I don’t have a problem with ‘blacks’. They don’t abuse their authority because they have none. I *do* have a problem with cops who abuse their authority. I don’t need to conclude all cops are ‘bad’ to have a problem with cops who abuse their authority. I don’t need to generalize to have a problem with cops who abuse their authority. I do generalize about cops to the extent I believe a substantial fraction of them LIE under oath and in their reports. I fail to see what that has to do with ‘blacks’ and would prefer to drop the constant reference you insist on making to blacks.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            you don’t seem to want to understand the fact that /wordpress is not what I had issue with. It is the fact that you have a dash after the word which nobody has any way of knowing does not belong. Your explanation that the first dash is there because it is a byline does not explain the second dash. It really doesn’t matter to me, it’s your link and your extra dash makes it unclickable. If you merely separated by one space, your link would work. As it is, when a person clicks on it, they get a page not found error. That’s unprofessional, and here you’re talking about how professional you are.

            As far as using blacks for my example, there’s no harm in it. If you find it offensive, that’s probably your fault. I could have said Nazis, mosquitoes, or any other number of things for my example, but I used race to illustrate the fact that people can’t just talk about the issue, they must drag their political correctness into it. But for you to take offense at my use of black people as an example, means you must have some issues with blacks. Because I have certainly not said anything offensive about them.

          • pinbalwyz

            Josef, you’ve used them (blacks) as your litmus test. It’s inappropriate. Stop.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            What’s inappropriate about it? you’re using dirty cops as your litmus test, that is just as inappropriate.

          • Raylan Givens

            Just my observation, but I find it extremely difficult to believe he’s a police officer, much less a good one. If your synopsis didn’t get through to him, nothing will. Nonetheless, let him troll for a while and try and hook another fish. I may be a bit hungry in a while and just might take a bite.

          • pinbalwyz

            Well said…very well said.
            -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • dissentingd

            Thanks! Glad you liked it!

      • pinbalwyz

        Maybe it was his dog on his computer? After all, nobody knows you’re a dog on the internet.
        -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

    • Will

      Has the owner of PINAC ever posted anything that wasnt true? Or does he just publish real-life videos of things cops are actually doing? If showing THE TRUTH makes him a “cop-hater”, then obviously cop-hating is the truthfully correct mentality.

      I mean do you think the media should be focusing on all the terrorists who DONT blow up innocent people? How about all the Nazis who didnt really hate Jews all that much, they just really liked the outfits? Why hasnt anyone showed them in a “good light” yet??

      • Josef Roesler

        Bad logic. Just because his stories are true doesn’t mean he’s not a cop-hater. And I’ve already covered this further down.

    • RavenWolf_LDR

      And here comes the activist hater. We’re not about hating all cops. We’re about holding bad cops and those who protect them accountable. We do praise good cops with their stories too. You should really learn about a group before you go hating on them. This is why we can’t unite thoroughly because of those blind sheeple who just want to believe what they are told. It’s either that or you’re a paid troll who came here to deliberately undermine the work of groups such as this. A paid troll would work for the benefit of the corrupted and make comments just like this.

      • Josef Roesler

        Sounds like you were so excited to post that, you didn’t read what I wrote. Activists actually do something. People in cop-hating forums say fuck the police and all pigs must die. That’s not activism.

        What is it I need to learn about this group? I think I’ve pretty much got them pegged. I’m not keeping you from uniting at all, if anything, I’ve been trying to promote it, but it’s tough when all the sheeple can do is say fuck the police.

        You think people actually get paid to come in here and take abuse? Where do I sign up cause I’m taking it for free.

        • pinbalwyz

          Amadou Bailo Diallo (September 2, 1975 – February 4, 1999) was a 23-year-old immigrant from Guinea who was shot and killed in New York City on February 4, 1999 by four New York City Police Department plain-clothed officers: Sean Carroll, Richard Murphy, Edward McMellon and Kenneth Boss, who fired a combined total of 41 shots, 19 of which struck Diallo, outside his apartment at 1157 Wheeler Avenue in the Soundview section of The Bronx. The four were part of the now-defunct Street Crimes Unit. All four officers were acquitted at trial in Albany, New York.

          The aftermath of this outrage consisted of street demonstrations criticizing the police for their murderous arrogance. A huge crowd gathered on the steps of the precinct and shouted out, “1…2…3…4…etc…41″ in slow cadence over and over and over again. Diallo was found dead clutching his wallet in a vain attempt to show his killers his ID.

          On 12-23-07, I was beaten senseless to the floor by a baton wielding FEMA contracted security thug named Thomas J. Doyle (Paragon Security employee) for the ‘crime’ of reaching for my cell phone to call 911 while remaining seated in a folding metal chair in the temporary FEMA field office located in Belfair, WA.

          I count myself lucky to be alive. I was later taken by the police to the hospital for X-rays and treatment of my injuries. My attacker fled the State (to Texas) to avoid my lawsuit. He sold his house near Belfair.

          Government officials and government witnesses stonewalled my efforts to gather evidence against this thug. The thug, of course, lied in his report to cover his @ss. Foolishly, I was neither audio or video recording at the time and had no witnesses with me. What could go wrong going to a meeting I’d been instructed to keep by a FEMA employee? I will never make that mistake again. Even witnesses you can rely on may not prove sufficient–recording devices are a must! Neither witnesses or devices, alone, may be sufficient.
          -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

          • Josef Roesler

            Nice random reply that has nothing to do with the topic.

            So you hate cops because a civilian abused you….

    • FL Resident

      Maybe Carlos does hate all cops and if so I can see why. I always hear there are good cops but have only witnessed a few and they have been forced off the force or harassed to the point of just keeping silent. So the way I see it there are no good cops as long as they keep covering for the bad ones. Ill put it this way I see a so called good cop as the getaway driver for the bank robbers, although he doesn’t go in or rob the bank he is still guilty of the crime. So by covering or just doing nothing they are just as bad as the bad ones.

      • Josef Roesler

        This misguided notion that the only good cop is the one you see with your own eyes beating another cop seems to be what’s fueling all the hatred here. You do realize that a cop can be good even if FL Resident didn’t witness it, right? So in actuality, you have seen lots of good cops. You just want to make it sound like you haven’t. Maybe a truthful statement would be, you’ve never seen a good cop doing something heroic right in front of you.

        So when are you going to start killing them? Sounds like you’re back’s to the wall and you have no option but a revolution, so when are you going to stop talking on hate groups and start killing? Or are you just an instigator?

    • JdL

      He has no interest showing any cops in a good light when they actually take their oath seriously.

      Where are these alleged cops who take their oaths seriously? I hear you asserting that they exist, somewhere, but I’m still waiting for actual examples.

      In any case, being “good cops” is part of their job description, so if any exist, they don’t deserve particular praise, just as we don’t have to sing the praises of a garbage man if he actually picks up the garbage and doesn’t dump it all over the street.

      I believe the owner of PINAC is a cop-hater

      Because he documents actual, factual examples of cops, and would-be cops, acting like total assholes? Please show me an example of Carlos being anything other than brutally honest when it comes to cops’ behavior.

      • Josef Roesler

        You’re late to the party. Covered it already.

  • DocRambo

    Following this rant, I can only say one thing, that I have said for years: “NEVER WRITE ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET WHEN YOU ARE IMPAIRED!!!!” You can tell that this is an alcohol fueled crescendo. He actually stats off with some reason, and then degenerates. Doubt he’ll ever be hired in such a liberal area.

    • Patrick Henry,The2nd

      Yeah, it definitely has the mark of an alcohol fueled rant. But sometimes alcohol can be a truth serum…

    • Jana

      I thought the same thing DocRambo. I have a feeling he may have been intoxicated and realized what he did once he sobered up. It is as if 2 different people wrote those statements. If a “friend” really did write it under his name, he should man up and take the blame off his “friend”. We all have the right to our opinions and we sometimes face consequences for it. I feel bad for the guy but I am glad it came out. Someone who feels as though a protester should have their asses kicked for demonstrating their rights should never work in any public formats.

    • nick

      At least his grammar is pretty sound.

  • Anon

    People say stupid things on the internet. It is actions that really matter. I don’t think this guy deserves our effort at this point. He’s just an idiot.

    • bacchys

      If he is the victim of a “guest” having accessed his Facebook account, he’s certainly facing an unjust situation. It is not caused by those reacting to those comments, but by his “guest.” An alleged someone he invited into his home.

      I can’t say I find his story very convincing, however.

      • Anon

        Even if they are his words, they are just words. To subject him to this much attention and vitriol is pointless.

        • bacchys

          Some of it’s pointless. And wrong. Death threats aren’t justified. Voicing opposition to his becoming a cop when he’s credibly believed to have expressed such views? I don’t think that’s pointless or wrong.

        • Elliott Whitlow

          But VERY troubling words coming from someone in his position. To dismiss them as simply words is ill advised. I have serious doubt about the “person in my home” excuse, you better be talking to ALL of them NOW if that is true because they SCREWED YOU. Let us apply the same standard to you that would be applied to me or anyone else. PROVE IT..

      • jcfromnj

        Ronald Reagan, before he vegged out said ” Trust, but Verify” when dealing with the Russians, same should apply here…

  • Unity Nowe

    “oh what a tangled web we weave” , eh Darren? Suck it up !

  • ARtP

    “i had several people at my house last night” one of whom wrote a long and detailed message on my computer under my name without being noticed by anyone else.

    • inquisitor

      Imagine saying that to the secret service knocking on your door.
      Think they would believe it?

  • Donald Williams

    I can’t stop laughing at the update, now that there seem to be consequences he’s denying he made the statement. Blatant lie, but on the off chance it is true, it’d be his own stupid fault for leaving his FB account logged in.

    Carlos had it right, he’d make a fine police officer, violent, hostile, easily offended, can’t accept consequences for his actions, and switches to victim mode the instant he’s under scrutiny. Too bad.

    • inquisitor

      It is good practice for all those false statements on police reports and false testimony in court…a valuable police skill set…good for the…stats.

  • jcfromnj

    This is so pathetic and moronic , that it must be a hoax. Has it been determined that anyone is really THAT Fucking STUPID to post that ?

    • inquisitor

      Police are.

      I harken back to when the cop is arresting Jeff telling him that photography is a crime…on video.

  • elizabee

    lol @ not knowing who is writing a rant on your facebook page spewed with THREATS. BULLSHIT.

    • pinbalwyz

      Perhaps it was ‘spoofed’? Frankly, the post pulled enough punches to appear to be the vet’s own words. I don’t find his denial credible. I find it immature.
      -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

  • Jerith

    Late on a comment and not contributing much…
    From http://www.washoesheriff.com/sub.php?page=academy

    “Dismissal Policy (From the Academy)

    Recruits may be asked to voluntarily withdraw or may be dismissed for violation of any of the Academy rules, including, but not limited to conduct, poor preparation or neglect of studies, basic lack of academic and/or psychomotor skills, failure to meet appearance standards, excessive absence or tardiness, cheating or disruptive behavior.”
    Me thinks ‘conduct’ has been shown.

    For the Reserve Deputy Program I’m thinking
    http://www.washoesheriff.com/sub.php?page=reserve-deputy-program is this what he may be talking about? A volunteer?
    Why did I get this info… it just pisses me off. I rage at some videos here but maybe the next post will be a good news how its done story. I like to see the RCMP keep a few good encounters on record. Not kicking a guys face while he is on his knees.(Happened on video, few years back.) Few and far between when off camera though. Canada, ‘eh?

  • dravo1
  • dravo1

    Hell man, he’s in the wrong part of the country. He’d be a shoe-in for Sheriff in any Florida or Georgia county.

    • inquisitor

      His resume just made it to the top of the pile.
      The convincing denial is sure to get him the job…very useful police skill.

  • inquisitor

    Now looking at the update.

    Perhaps this guy should have filmed the police encounters and recorded the death threats that he now claims are occurring…as proof.
    PINAC lesson one….FAIL.

    Carlos, maybe you could find out which police department he is referring to and get some validation on this.
    Perhaps there is a copy of a police report available.

    The tone of the request to remove has a similar authoritative and compelling tone as the psychopathic facebook post.
    Not too dissimilar IMHO.

  • Tim

    Please match me everyone I’m pledging 100 dollars to the first person who beats the living daylights out of Darren Redding. Who’s with me?

    • Jerith

      Your call for violence is not appropriate for a comments section of a civic rights website.
      Now that is settled. I notice the original post has not bad grammar and proper punctuation. The follow up doesn’t use the Shift key. That’s all. Not excusing anything. Waiting for more updates.

      • Bob_Striffler

        I’m glad that’s all settled now! Hey I heard there’s a new Ghandi civil rights website! And they’re willing to take the blows for those who are now receiving them!

    • jwalsh

      So much for taking the high road!

      • Rail Car Fan

        The “High Road”?

        I thought that was a pro-gun web site!

        Rail Car Fan

        • Bob_Striffler

          GATA! Guns Are The Answer against the kind of government agent violence I’ve been seeing!

    • inquisitor

      Okay Darren, enough with the jokes.

    • Bob_Striffler

      Of course you meant in the ring, kind of like celebrity boxing for charity huh! I’d be more than willing to try that! But unfortunately he wouldn’t be for that, as his testosterone is all around his mouth!

    • pinbalwyz

      Tim, FYI, a call to action against an individual is actionable, in law. Don’t be lame; don’t do it. Words can and DO have consequences. There are those who can help you be smarter than that. Take advantage of any help they’re willing to provide.
      -amicuscuria.com/wordpress-

  • himself

    I know nothing about this guy and can make no comment about his story. But I can say that there is a reason visitors to my home cannot use any of my computers to access the ‘net under my name: I keep them all locked down when I’m not using them. You need my password (good luck guessing THAT) to use them. I do this, having been warned years ago by a professional colleague whose teenage son had guests over and one of them used her business computer to post a nazi treatise is similar fashion as this guy is claiming.

    So maybe he was pranked by one of his asshole friends. If I were he, I’d be finding out who that was and dealing directly with him. And locking down my computer in future.

    And I recommend you all do the same. Guests do not get to surf the net here, except under very controlled circumstances, and NEVER using my accounts on my computers.

    • Bob_Striffler

      Yeah but which was it? He was hacked according to the police and according to him it was done by a guest at his house on his PC which isn’t hacking at all! Now we have to believe they happened to know his password not only to get his pc up but to get onto that forum? And of course as stated above on his page he had links to those other BS sites? It’s almost reaching to protect this guy!

  • USPatriotUno

    Gota love the back peddling. He’s going to make a fine Nazi officer. oh um… I mean Police officer. Lol.

    • inquisitor

      That wasn’t me that smacked your head open with a baton, it was one of my friends at the party.
      Believable?
      Think the jury will buy it?

  • Paul Kisling

    Balls up Marine! You made big boy comments now pull up your big boy pants and quit bitching!
    Some people do not realize that what they say online is FOREVER!!

  • James Jjink

    hahahahah what a fuckin pussy you ran your pussy urah mouth now own it fuckin pussy

  • jwalsh

    Talked to one of the Sheriff’s on call. They don’t know this guy, but are investigating it.

    She knew the name before I could spit it out of my mouth.

    • Paul Kisling

      Yeah they got some free advertisement via the ravings of a drunken madman. Not an endorsement I would want or need.

  • Difster

    Yeah, the old “My friend was using my Facebook” ploy.

    Not going to cut it jackass. I don’t accept your fake apology.

  • TheFlashingScotsman

    Just in looking at the writing styles of the two messages, he might actually be telling the truth in the second one. So, instead of being out to kill people for exercising their Constitutional rights, maybe he’s just illiterate. We’ll see as the story unfolds.

    • Bob_Striffler

      That’s not so unusual to have different writing styles as many like him also have multiple personalities, which would cause that. Besides the police said he was hacked. Which could be easily uncovered! He said it was someone in his home using his name passwords etc…. and that’s not hacking. How can you tell when cops are lying, besides all the different excuses. There lips are moving!

    • Jennifer Neilson

      his incorrect use of commas and his accusations in his letter he wrote after the incident to copblock to me shows it was the same guy. He is a liar, and the cops do not care to investigate him… he says a “friend” did it, and he gets a pass

      • TheFlashingScotsman

        I’m not saying give him a pass. I’m saying investigate. Because the second writing DOES look a little more illiterate than the first. If this guy DID write the original post, he’s gonna need some serious attitude adjustments.

  • inquisitor

    Your followers have just firebombed my house with molotov cocktails, raped my old lady, keyed my car, kicked my dog, stole my mail and hired hit men to rape me with baseball bats…

    …please take down the post.

    I didn’t know we were that proactive.

  • harry balzanya

    In America Americans are innocent until proven guilty.even people we dont like. I tend to beleive his story, knowing how backstabbing cops are with each other. His friend might be next on the list for the job.

    • Jennifer Neilson

      his incorrect use of commas and his accusations in his letter he wrote after the incident to copblock to me shows it was the same guy. He is a liar, and the cops do not care to investigate him… he says a “friend” did it, and he gets a pass.

  • paschn

    “Your page is pathetic and offensive. The pictures you post and the comments you make seem like you’re trying to incriminate and deface ALL police officers, when 99% of them are great at what they do, it’s the 1% you should be posting about, not the vast majority you pathetic, ignorant, liberal pussy.”
    What an arrogant, self aggrandizing ass. I’d like you all to think carefully about what this sycophant has said and consider this; We call wretched treasonous swine such as he one of “our boys”. A little bastard that probably knew full well he was invading a country based on lies but saw an opportunity to “do his thing”, then come home, take a false oath to protect and defend our constitution only to piss upon it probably as he did unarmed women and children prior to raping/murdering them. Understand, putting on a uniform doesn’t make a “good person” whether it’s blue or camouflage. You can dress a pig in a tuxedo but in the end, all you have is a pig ready for the party. The frightening thing in this weasel’s rhetoric? Rather than kick his filthy ass out, they’ll slip him to the head of the line and promote him post-haste. THAT is what we get for having a terrorist nation training trash like him to “honor” our constitution. Reverse the percentages “it” quoted above….THAT will tell the accurate story. Steroid-laced narcissists too ignorant to understand/protect anything other than their own selfish asses.
    Think objectively for a moment, please. If dirt such as he is the BEST we can do after over 200 years as a nation and 500 military actions against other nations/people to “teach” them democracy, what the hell is the point?

  • Kelly A

    well it looks like his career is over! i suggest prozac and stop watching fox news.

  • guest

    I don’t believe a word of this. If he was “hacked” they could get the IP it was hacked from. But since he says it was from his own home — someone who was in his own house, it would be his IP — pretty smart.

    Next, these comments are consistent with his taste in website, favorited on his facebook page, such as the “shitbag” page, and final question – what’s the motive? Why would someone come to his house, jump on his facebook account and rant in his name? Why? Sounds like a bunch of horseshit to me and I hope the Feds look into it and interview these supposed house guests to find out if this guy is lying. (Lying to the law enforcement is a crime)

    Washoe sheriffs sound like they don’t WANT to know if he is lying — taking him at his word.

    If this guy thinks he’s gone through hell having cops at his door, he has NO idea what it is like when cops show up at your door because some activist-hating cop like him fabricates something out of THIN AIR to get you arrested for something you DIDN’T DO.

    This guy is a coward and a traitor and weak, weak, weak. He knows nothing about self-reliance, or being an asset to the community,.

    • inquisitor

      Nice investigative connections to his favorite web pages.

  • BakedGoodZ

    I doubt he was “hacked” it is more like he ran his mouth off and doesnt like the consequences.

    • Bob_Striffler

      What consequences for a cop? That’s unheard of!

  • Concerned Citizen

    Signing into your own FB account is hacking?

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

    I’m all about 1st amendment rights and I too think this Darren guy needs a new career search. But I defend his free speech 100%. He can hope whatever he wants, and he can wish anything he wants, even “if he had it his way he’d have gas chambers”. I hope and wish shit because I can, and there are 1000’s of people that express their anger this way.

    With that being said, the problem I have with him is that he actually made the possible threat about how he “will beat your liberal ass just for the shear joy of it”.

    For a soon to be new cop, that comment is disturbing considering how many cops are beating people these days. He’s showing his cards before he’s even hired, and his view on people that hold cops accountable is dangerous to them. I hate saying it because I’m a veteran, but hiring these ex military folks that have been in wars is a concern.

  • Better Call Saul

    They’ll shield them before they even join the force. Disgusting.

    • Bob_Striffler

      It’s what happened with Zimmerman, with his daddy judge!

  • guest

    why did you remove my post? it was mild compared to others

    • Carlos_Miller

      Nothing was removed

    • Bob_Striffler

      My posts are equal to the viciousness I see from the cops continually! I wouldn’t worry too much! Keep posting!

  • Farid Rushdi

    I don’t believe it for a moment.

    This sounds a lot like …. “After a thorough examination the department has concluded that officer “Jones” was justified in stopping the citizen’s recording because he was fearful of his safety,” which would be followed by, “Jury awards citizen $50,000 for officer’s actions.”

    Geez …..

    • Bob_Striffler

      He was afraid because on “Mission Impossible” the tape at the end self destructed and he was very, very scared! And don’t be fooled by the court. Those juries in 1983 claims are manipulated just like they were in the Kelly Thomas criminal trial!

  • inquisitor

    The denial of the Sheriff’s department is a bit lacking perhaps.
    Because the Facebook post states he is about to start the academy.
    So if he has not yet started the academy, then technically he would not be a deputy recruit nor would the department have yet to consider him for employment.

    I would think if the hacking were legit then the sheriff department would refer this to the FBI seeing how they were implicated.
    But no mention of a referral to the division of cyber crime.

    • Bob_Striffler

      He’s a lying coward shit-bag and perfect recruit for American Law Enforcement!

  • Freedom_Fighter_of_America

    Now he is claiming his facebook was hacked.

  • Rick Myrtue

    Sounds like Mr. Redding needs to apply at the Fullerton Police Department.

  • Will

    “99% of people who smoke pot do it responsibly and safely”

    Then i wonder how many of them he planned on NOT ARRESTING when he became a police officer?

    • Bob_Striffler

      90% percent of the people who smoke pot are mellow and don’t think about evil shit like this coward prick!

  • G

    Smedley Butler a Marine General, was made temporary police chief of Philadelphia Police. I bet you he is rolling in his grave right now about a Marine who wants to be a cop make some evil remarks about what he is going to do.

  • tz1

    When ordinary citizen’s facebook accounts get hacked or a friend plays a joke, the SWAT team breaks down their door, shoots them, their family, and their pets, and their house burns down.

    Perhaps I should feel for his problem, but then what does he feel about those who end up hurt or dead? He’s still alive, and in one piece, and might be insulted and inconvenienced.

    It could be far worse.

  • Yordy

    LOL He seems really conservative except for the abortion part.

  • John Decaon

    Standard American stuff isn’t it? No one cares about it anyway, apart from self centered Americans. Bellicose gun loving uneducated losers.

    • Herbert Napp

      Maybe we love these guns to protect us from lunatics like this, as described in the federalist papers. I’m sure you’re a good little statist who wants his will enforced upon others as well right?

    • Bob_Striffler

      I believe in gun control! Hit what your aiming at!

  • Gilberto Gabriel Cortez Torent

    LOL he claims to have been hacked… but excluding the swearing and vulgarity, the writing style imo is the same…

  • Freedom_Fighter_of_America

    He has deleted his facebook page. Getting rid of evidence of past posts?

  • Guest

    It’s so frightening that when people say things people don’t like on the internet that people will go to such lengths to harass that person at their home, use death threats and contact law enforcement on them. The police have better things to do than arrest internet cowboys. I’m curious who gets this angry or has this much time on their hands to attack anyone in this way. I’m not in any way saying the poster was appropriate in his comment, I just think people are going too far with this.

    • Phred

      Perhaps he should have thought about that before he posted comments hoping that a citizen get beaten by the police, that he hopes that citizen dies, and that he “would beat your fucking liberal ass just for the sheer joy of it.”

      No sympathy here.

      • Guest

        I get what he said was in bad taste, but this kind of thing is happening all the time now. What happened to freedom of speech? He is entitled to say what he wants to say without fearing for the lives of himself or his family. The same people who are so angry here are the same who defend our rights every day, regardless of the circumstances this man deserves the same rights as the rest of us. Just because you don’t like what he says doesn’t negate is right to say it.

        • Bob_Striffler

          Gee when people talk about offing politicians they get arrested. Thank God we live in a government of, by and for the people so the government employees (public servants) can threaten to kill citizens and people like you want a voice to support that or deny others opposition to that! Sounds like the big three media or a cop troll to me! Your an idiot and that’s free speech too!
          Here is some more free speech! Kelly Thomas’ parents were just told their son didn’t have a right to live, by the honorable court! He died by the most horrible vicious slow painful death imaginable! I hope those cops who did this to 100lb. disabled Kelly Thomas, have children too and I hope other children surround them on the playground and beat them to death slowly and for no reason because they don’t have right to live either! That’s America Strong!

          • Guest

            I’m not a “troll” I just had an opinion is all. I don’t have the strong feelings you do about the subject and I appreciate your position. My father is a politician and I’m married to a military service member, I myself serve my community as a paramedic. I didn’t discuss any “right to live” issues and I don’t feel it’s right to decide someone’s life like that. But this article isn’t about that so I’m not sure the details.Like I said, I appreciate your position and I support your right to say it.

          • Jennifer Neilson

            yes, this IS about that… it is EXACTLY about abusive psychotic types like this guy who gets to be a cop and beat us to death. this conversation is EXACTLY about our rights not to have psychopaths threaten and terrorize us. The fact that you are the privileged daughter of a politician speaks volumes. You do not have strong feelings about this because you do not care or sympathize with the rest of us who have to be threatened and abused by these psychos. It is an epidemic and maybe it is time you pay attention to what is happening… seems people don’t care about police brutality until you personally are violated.

            You should be right here along side us demanding this man is never allowed into a position of authority over anyone. People are being arrested for writing much less on the internet all the time, however cops or wannabe cops get a pass. The man threatened and terrorized thousands of people and he deserves EXACTLY what he has gotten. The people he wants so much to harm are making it known that WE do not want him to SERVE us, at all, ever.

          • Guest

            I’m just going to ask that people stop responding to this thread because I’m sick of the notifications. Go ahead and be angry, it only effects you.

          • Jennifer Neilson

            who the hell are you to tell people what to do??? haha

          • Jennifer Neilson

            oh yeah.. a “politician’s” daughter. bwahahaha of course…. I am going to have to ask that you just ignore replies, and let people do what they want on a PUBLIC thread.

          • Bob_Striffler

            Natasha? Your boyfriend is Boris? You’re the Russian spies from Bullwinkle aren’t you?

          • Hugh Bear

            I share your love of free speech you dumb boot-licking cunt.

        • Rita Shryock

          “Bad taste”? Wearing shorts and a tank top to a wedding is in “bad taste.” And no, he is not “entitled” to say what he said. WE are entitled to not be threatened by the very people we trust and pay to protect us. Angry? Oh, you bet we’re angry.

    • Bob_Striffler

      Hey Natasha have you ever had your bones broken by a cop? Kelly Thomas’ beating death was no isolated incident! This freak wanna-be cop is guaranteed to hurt someone as a cop! Why in the hell should normal thinking people allow that to happen? Natasha would it be going to far if, let’s say a dishwasher at your favorite restaurant posted on a website that he was spitting on the plates he was supposed to be washing! Should every body remain silent about that? Of course not because your haven’t been programmed to support a mere dishwasher, like you’ve been programmed to unquestionably support ignorant police while they turn into NAZI’s hurting people like they were their Jews!

  • Ryan Parry

    HA!… hacked?, even bigger HA! why would any person ever have a need or want to hack a random individuals page, go to a specific site, post a long hateful rant detailing specific things in his life that only he would know????? Do you smell that too? smells like bullshit

  • Phred

    Hacked? Sure! I bet the dog also ate his homework back when he was in fourth grade.

  • LibertyTreeBud

    Is this cop on SSRI’s? Is he on steroids?
    Inquiring minds want to know.

  • Scott Bieser

    It was his drunken evil twin. I’ve seen this a thousand times on television.

    • Bob_Striffler

      Hell he’s got multiple personalities too!

  • Slaytanic

    MILLIONS OF DEAD COPS! AND WANNA BE COPS LIKE THIS MORON Darren Redding!! I hope he catches one in the dome real soon!

  • Bob_Striffler

    In his insane verbal abuse he forgot, “Long haired hippy type pinko fag!” He’s been picked up by another agency! America Strong!

  • Bob_Striffler

    Anybody want to see my favorite police brutality video. It will make many of you feel better I swear!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdxh-KaSBSg&feature=player_embedded

    • Frodo

      In America the cops would simply start shooting indiscriminately into the crowds.

  • Armed American

    He is why ex military should never be cops. I hope a good citizen kills him early on.

  • Frodo

    The police academies drool over guys like Redding. Don’t let them fool you. A retired police captain for a major city once claimed that they specifically profile and look for these types of people to become cops..

  • William Marquez

    Well if he didn’t do it he sure isn’t trying too hard to find out which one of his so called friends did. I know if one of my friends did something like this to me I’d hand him over to the wolfs at my door.

  • Nam Marine

    I am ashamed that this PUNK was in my Marine Corps! What a faggot !

    • Bob_Striffler

      Thank you and thanx for YOUR service, not his! He didn’t even know where he was, let alone why he was there! Un-fortunately most don’t really know why they were there?

  • Bob_Striffler

    4) Ha! HA! Ha! Way to go Andrew, Carlos and Jeff! I’m so freaking happy! Way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everybody go watch this link that millions and millions and millions watched!!!!!!!!! http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/vide… They watched it on the mainstream! Now guess what happens? A Shitload more will now be watching!!!!!!!!! Thank you Carlos! Jeff! and Andrew! Kudos my brothers…that means something! The barrier is starting to be broken! Everybody needs to be vigilant and work that much harder now! Oh and EX-Cop Law Student…piss-off! As always!
    Thanx for providing the link Elliot Whitlow!

  • OhSnapDJB

    Fuck that. He wrote that shit so let him take his medicine. Cops are the biggest pussies in the world. They can only do shit when they have their uniform on and hide behind the law. Any and every cop can go straight to hell. And always remember: NEVER EVER EVER TRUST NOR SPEAK TO ANY COP……………..EVER! All cops will lie on u to cover their ass and the will lie on u to protect other cops as well. There’s no such thing as a “good cop”. Film EVERY encounter that u have with a cop, know and exercise ur rights, and ALWAYS shut up. Fuck trying to convince cops that u haven’t broke the law………let them PROVE IT!

  • Laurice Tatum

    I’m a former police officer and have over 28 year’s
    investigative experience in the legal arena. I consider myself reasonably intelligent, reasonable and prudent person. I’ve complete an AAS, BS, MPA and MS degrees plus numerous hours of continuing education. I’ve been active in politics and an elected official. Over the years I’ve come to know and understand the character of those going into law enforcement. Most are right
    and honorable in their believe system, but there are those who go into the profession for the wrong reasons.

    I’ve always had question in my mind that soldiers former military brings a lot of baggage to the job. After all soldiers are trained and programed to kill and break things. Maybe ant reasonable and prudent observer can see my concern that former military might have certain predispositions of personality which are contrary to the public interest. Just thinking here and submitting for your consideration

    It’s those recruits that the “rocket scientist” in human
    resources fails to weed out. It’s those recruits that ‘academies” fail to weed out. It’s those people that at the end of the day are empower by our leaders to touch the lives and influence citizens. Protecting and serving the citizenry isn’t in their hearts. They’re using the law enforcement brotherhood to further criminal behavior. And the amazing thing about it is administration refuses to recognize this is occurring.

    What kind of people are law enforcement agencies hiring these days? Better yet what kind of training are recruits receiving? It’s these few who screw thing up for all those officers who entered the profession for all the right reasons. Understand I’m not making excuses for the righteous Officers and I do find them at fault for not taking the initiative to help weed out such behavior. They’re taking the code of silence and protecting the
    brother to extremes. As far as I’m concerned they’re in essences betraying their duty as swore officers. They’re protecting officers who should not even be in the business.

    This case looks very suspicious, if as reported the victim
    companions were not arrested. The reader need to remain cognitive of this fact. “Why was she the only person ‘arrested?’ Why was she singled out Why weren’t her two male companions arrested?”

    Officers’ actions as reflected in this article have been
    a pet peeve of mine for years, particularly in Los Angeles City and LA County. Considering the trend of resent years of increasing civil rights violations emanating out of these departments is a continuing problem which is going unaddressed. They’re incapable of doing anything right. Both LAPD and LASO have lost their prestigious positions of being world class departments to being the world class pariah. The
    culture of corruption and abuse of power is eating away at what were the best of the best. To these departments I say where the pride and dignity you once had. Seems like those who the citizen have placed in positions of
    responsibility would eventually wise up and acknowledge there’s a problem.

    As I see it these bad officers are displaying the mentality of a rapist. They’re unable to distinguish the use of force to in a lawful arrest and picking up a female for the purpose of forced sex. They are
    doing nothing more than using the color of office for the purpose of furthering criminal activities. It happens and will continue to happen until those in higher echelons recognizes this as a problem. Leadership is either being
    negligent or worse intentionally creating an environment of duplicity and complicity. Either way they’re setting their department up for continuing law suits on civil rights violations.

    Poor /sloppy hiring + Poor /sloppy training + Criminal
    behavior = Civil Rights Violations = multimillion dollar punitive and compensatory damages = financial stress = higher taxes. I find it difficult to believe that any reasonable and prudent tax payer wants this type behavior out of those that are sworn to serve and protect. Come on LADP and LASO get your acts together.

    “IF THESE DEPARTMENTS ARE NOT USING PSYCHOLOGIAL TESTING TO DETURMINE A RECRUITS PSYCHOPATHIC AND SOCIOPATHIC TENDENCIES, they certainly should.

    I hate to say it but sometimes Officers and their
    departments need to be sued “TO EFFECT POLICY AND PROCEDURE CHANGES.”

    • G

      The trouble with hiring ex-soldiers or soldiers who are in the Guard/Reserves is that they have this attitude that the more military rank they have, the rules and regulations of the military and those in the civilian world does not apply to them. Furthermore, they have this attitude that people in the civilian world must obey their commands as a police officer without questions just like in the military world. Like police officers, military people live in an isolated, close off world from the rest of society totally divorce from what is happening in the rest of the country.
      When the LAPD and the LASO start to devote time, resources, and manpower to stopping corporate crime on Wall Street, West Virginia, Texas, the Gulf Coast and start to arresting white collar business people, then I will believe they are first class organizations. You never saw the LAPD chiefs like Parker, Gates and sheriffs like Baca going after those people.

      • Laurice Tatum

        Well said G

  • Sanger

    I would be surprised if he doesn’t get hired. He sounds like exactly what the Police are looking for.

  • EyemNotFree

    Violently overthrow the US government. Now Disqus is banning speech2

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