February 26th, 2014

Cop Kills Firefighter During Struggle Caught on Video; Cops Blame Videographer for Death 228

By Carlos Miller

A citizen video showing a struggle between a Kansas City cop and an off-duty firefighter in which the firefighter flips the cop on his back and punches him repeatedly in the face before the cop pulls out a gun and kills him, was released this week after a grand jury declined to indict the officer.

Thanks to the video, we can see it was the right decision made by the grand jury, especially when we learn of what led up to the struggle, which was essentially that the firefighter, Anthony Bruno, had been drinking and had gotten into an argument with a cab driver over the fare. The cab driver threw the fare into his wife’s face, so Bruno punched him several times before storming off.

The cop, Donald Hubbard, who was in uniform working security at a hotel, witnessed this exchange and ran after the firefighter to arrest him, which is when the struggle ensued as well as when another man pulled out a camera and began video recording.

Not knowing the background, the man is being critical of the officer, which is why he is video recording. His female companion says she wants to intervene, but he tells her not to, which is a wise decision because that could have easily gotten her shot or at least charged with interfering.

At one point, the cop looks towards the witnesses and asks them for help. Seconds later, the firefighter flips him on his back and starts punching him in the face. And seconds after that, the cop pulls out a gun and fires twice, ending the struggle.

According to the Kansas City Star:

“Throughout my entire contact with the suspect, I gave him numerous verbal commands to give me his hands and to stop resisting,” Hubbard told detectives later. “In my attempts to place handcuffs on the suspect, he continued to resist and we eventually went to the ground.”

At one point, Hubbard put Bruno in a neck restraint and thought Bruno had given up. But then Bruno began resisting again, trying to stand while holding onto Hubbard.

“That’s when I noticed two people filming nearby,” Hubbard recounted. “I told these individuals that I was by myself and pleaded for them to call for help.”

Bruno told Hubbard he shouldn’t have hit him, Hubbard said.

“He then somehow flipped me over onto my back and the subject began punching me on the left side of my face and head,” Hubbard told detectives. “He was on top of me and I was in an extremely vulnerable position and I was exhausted from the struggle with the suspect.

“I don’t know how many times he struck me, but I started to black out and saw lines across my eyes. He continued to strike me and I started to lose consciousness and I believed the suspect was not going to stop hitting me until he killed me.

“I feared for my life and I drew my weapon, fired two shots center mass.”

We’ve heard the old “fear for my life” response so often, including many times when it is evident the officer was not in fear for his life, that we have become extremely skeptical of that justification.

But in this case, because of the video, most of us will probably agree that the cop had good reason to be in fear for his life.

However, several commenters, including many cops, are now commenting on a police website called Law Officer that the man with the camera is to blame for the shooting death of Anthony Bruno because he did not help the cop when asked for help. One of the commenters is even encouraging the others to message the videographer, apparently to accuse him of a crime.

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But the real blame lies within the officers themselves for creating such an “us vs them” mentality against citizens where people are not only reluctant to get involved, but they are sure to record everything to ensure police do not twist the truth in their arrest reports.

Before the emergence of Youtube, many of us wouldn’t have hesitated to help the officer in a situation like this. But because we’ve seen countless videos of police abusing their power, stretching the truth and unjustifiably beating or killing citizens, we are now jaded, cynical and distrusting of police officers.

We don’t see them as the good guys anymore.

And the police have nobody to blame but themselves.


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  • NotTalkingOutOfMyAss

    It looks like the firefighter just wanted his face to not be slammed into the pavement. Of course the cop escalated the situation to the point where he could say he was in fear for his life just like he was trained to do.

    • steveo

      This is a classic high school/college freestyle wrestling positions. The fireman is on his hands and knees and the leo is behind him. When wrestling on the mat and not in a standing position, you never ever lose your center of gravity which is near the bottom wrestlers’ hips.

      When the leo went up in front, I knew he was screwed. Plus if you look at the 53 second mark, the fireman performs, surprise, a “fireman’s carry” from his knees. He puts his head under the armpit, grabs the arm, with the other arm he shoots it through the crotch, lifts his opponent, who now has no control with his legs or arms and semi-slams him to the sidewalk. Now the fireman has “reversed” the positions (that’s 2 pts in high school wrestling) and has pinned the leo to the “mat” on his back. The leo is about to lose the match, if not for his gun.

      Why do people fight with cops?

      • WTF

        Why do people fight with cops? …….

        Why did the Founding Fathers resist the British King?

        Why did you spend so much time trying to convince everyone to comply with these Tyrants/LEOs? Could it be that you are a government plant? Some here are at least more open about it. Up yours and the horse you rode in on, Traitor.

        endoftheamericandream.com/archives/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites

        Word of warning to the readers: Beware of the Sellouts to our Liberty.

      • wth

        cool story pussy i know what side your on….

        • Jim Speidell

          steve likes rubbing on sweaty men .

  • NotTalkingOutOfMyAss

    It looks like the firefighter just wanted his face to not be slammed into the pavement. Of course the cop escalated the situation to the point where he could say he was in fear for his life just like he was trained to do.

  • Stone Tyler

    Every interaction I have with a cop has a negative outcome. Yell for my help? You’re not getting it. I’m no fool. I’m going home tonight and I’m doing it alive. Last interaction: Car in front of me hits a deer. I pull off to help pull the deer off the road and help with the minor injuries in the car. Cop pulls up 20 minutes later. Tells me I *need* to move along – loaded with attitude. Not “Thanks. We got it from here.” I need to move along, like I’m some gawker. I’m done with cops.

    • Mark Olish

      There is no situation that can’t be made exponentially worse by the addition LEO’s….

    • Pegr

      He did help the cop. He provided the video that got him off the hook

      • JamesRae

        They don’t need video for that usually.

  • Stone Tyler

    Every interaction I have with a cop has a negative outcome. Yell for my help? You’re not getting it. I’m no fool. I’m going home tonight and I’m doing it alive. Last interaction: Car in front of me hits a deer. I pull off to help pull the deer off the road and help with the minor injuries in the car. Cop pulls up 20 minutes later. Tells me I *need* to move along – loaded with attitude. Not “Thanks. We got it from here.” I need to move along, like I’m some gawker. I’m done with cops.

    • Mark Olish

      There is no situation that can’t be made exponentially worse by the addition LEO’s….

    • Pegr

      He did help the cop. He provided the video that got him off the hook

    • Joe

      Don’t ever ask for their assistance then either.

      • JdL

        Don’t ever ask for their assistance then either.

        Who asked for the assistance from these murderous jerks? Only fools do that.

      • James

        I never have, I never will. I never voluntarily deal with gangs.

      • Tom Butler

        Why do so many people use this logic? You can criticize the cops all day long, but we still pay their salary and they still have to do their jobs. It would be illegal for them to refuse service to someone because they were critics. I know it happens, but the law is on the side of the critic.

        • weeeezzll

          No it wouldn’t. They are under no obligation to provide service to
          you…even if your house has been broken into, your friend has been raped and then all of you end up kidnapped, raped, robbbed and tourtured for 14 hours while waiting for the police who said they were on the way in the 911 calls you made…

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

  • JDS

    “The cab driver through the fare into his wife’s face”

    Should be “threw”. :)

    • Dwayne Bowen

      The one time they would have had it right and they blew it.

  • JDS

    “The cab driver through the fare into his wife’s face”

    Should be “threw”. :)

  • discarted

    Nowadays, with the way cops normally behave, commit crimes, and brutalize people, it’s very hard to sympathize with any cop—at all. For instance, two years ago, I was jumped by 3 guys (the incident is on video). The attack took place right in front of 15-20 LAPD riots cops. A bunch of them saw it from beginning to end. However, not one of these “heroes” intervened. I think the cops actually enjoyed watching it happened because I was photographing them all night long. Which is something we all know they just don’t like. I had to defend myself and get these guys off of me. I could’ve been seriously injured or killed. So personally, I would’ve recorded and not helped this cop. That’s type of environment the police have created, and like you said Carlos, they have nobody to blame but themselves. Once I have access to my drives again, I’ll upload the video of the attack.

    • Hmmm

      Oh you don’t have access to the drives with the footage. That’s convenient.

      • Difdi

        Oh, you can’t prove he doesn’t have them? That’s convenient.

        • theaton

          Two years and no video? I have to doubt the existence as well.

  • discarted

    Nowadays, with the way cops normally behave, commit crimes, and brutalize people, it’s very hard to sympathize with any cop—at all. For instance, two years ago, I was jumped by 3 guys (the incident is on video). The attack took place right in front of 15-20 LAPD riots cops. A bunch of them saw it from beginning to end. However, not one of these “heroes” intervened. I think the cops actually enjoyed watching it happened because I was photographing them all night long. Which is something we all know they just don’t like. I had to defend myself and get these guys off of me. I could’ve been seriously injured or killed. So personally, I would’ve recorded and not helped this cop. That’s type of environment the police have created, and like you said Carlos, they have nobody to blame but themselves. Once I have access to my drives again, I’ll upload the video of the attack.

    • Hmmm

      Oh you don’t have access to the drives with the footage. That’s convenient.

  • discarted

    Let’s message the videographer and show him our support. He did the right thing and committed no crime. These cops are ridiculous.

  • discarted

    Let’s message the videographer and show him our support. He did the right thing and committed no crime. These cops are ridiculous.

  • R Allen

    I would not help a cop, regardless of the situation they were in. They could be being pummeled by 5 gang members and I wouldn’t help. The Supreme Court ruled that cops have no obligation to ‘protect’ citizens, only to enforce laws…taking that into account, I have no moral obligation to help a member of the stasi.

    • inquisitor

      I concur.

    • Difdi

      Some places do have statutes that make refusal to render aid a crime. In those places police do have a duty to render aid — because they are citizens, not because they are police.

      In most places though, barring some sort of special relationship, you have no duty to aid a police officer. Just like he has no duty to aid you.

      • steveo

        In FL, you are right, you can be arrested for our favorite statute here 843.02, obstructing or resisting without violence. There are four instances where the FL Supreme Court has said that words alone can equal resistance. 1) when you give a false name to a process server 2) when you don’t give ID when you are LAWFULLY detained 3) When you are acting as a lookout during an undercover operation and 4) when a leo or firefighter asks for assistance during an emergency.

        I don’t think anyone has ever been charged with this but according to the courts, it applies.

        • Rail Car Fan

          “Steveo” said in part…

          “4) “When a leo or firefighter asks for assistance during an emergency.”

          The only problem is… if you’re Deaf HoHi (Hard of Hearing/Hearing Impaired), the cop/firefighter can ask all they want. If you’re unable to hear/understand them then there’s no way you’re going to be convicted in a court of law.

          Rail Car Fan

        • spiritanimals

          So cops are under no legal obligation to protect us but here in FL it’s against the law if we don’t comply when requesting aid? How ass backwards is that…

          • henry bowman

            one can FUBAR a situtation well by “helping” them out

        • Tom Butler

          What’s the legal definition of an emergency.

    • Rob

      I wouldn’t have helped the cop, but I’d have helped the firefighter.

      • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

        And you would have been wrong.

        • Rob

          It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been wrong, but it would have felt right.

        • HarryS

          STFU diIdo

    • americanexile

      So basically, you refuse to be the bigger person with morals. Good for you.

  • R Allen

    I would not help a cop, regardless of the situation they were in. They could be being pummeled by 5 gang members and I wouldn’t help. The Supreme Court ruled that cops have no obligation to ‘protect’ citizens, only to enforce laws…taking that into account, I have no moral obligation to help a member of the stasi.

    • inquisitor

      I concur.

    • Patriot50

      Also: In 1998 a NY 16 year old was shot trying
      to assist a police officer apprehend a suspect. “Eight days after
      being shot by an off-duty police officer he was trying to save from a beating
      or worse, a 16-year-old police buff was visited at his hospital bedside by
      Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and praised as a good Samaritan in a case in which he
      was initially viewed as a possible suspect.” from a NY Times news article.

      Good Samaritans sued over mans death. Briscoe was standing outside the Wawa on the 100 block of Cross Keys Road May 3, 2010
      when a Winslow Township police officer tried to arrest
      him for loitering. A violent struggle began, and “good Samaritans” tried to
      help the officer, and Briscoe died from asphyxia in a tangle of bodies after
      being maced several times…………..Now Briscoe’s family has filed a $25
      million civil lawsuit against the arresting officer, Sean Richards, who has
      since resigned from the police force, four current Winslow Township police
      officers who arrived at the Wawa to help Richards in the arrest, and three
      civilians who ran to assist Richards. From NBC Philadelphia news article.

      This is only a couple of examples why someone may not want to intervene. You can be mistaken as a suspect, get shot, or get sued.
      There are many more.situations that have happen across the country to someone
      trying to be a Good Samaritan. Proceed at your own risk!

  • MSMediacritic

    What, precisely, do they think he should be charged with? Is it now a crime to refuse to help police if they request it? Must we also love Big Brother?

    • Gonzo

      I’ve heard of laws where if a bystander fails to intervene in a crime in progress then they can be arrested.

      • FtP

        Unfortunately, cop’s don’t like it when you try to intervene with their criminal behavior.

  • MSMediacritic

    What, precisely, do they think he should be charged with? Is it now a crime to refuse to help police if they request it? Must we also love Big Brother?

    • Gonzo

      I’ve heard of laws where if a bystander fails to intervene in a crime in progress then they can be arrested.

      • FtP

        Unfortunately, cop’s don’t like it when you try to intervene with their criminal behavior.

      • henry bowman

        “Officer, what is the SOP I should do here, while you are being beaten? I need to be ‘trained’ for this”

    • steveo

      In FL, it’s State Statute 843.02, 1st degree misdemeanor: probably 1 yr probation and 50 hrs community service and court costs.

  • Mike

    Can we also note the officer doesn’t explicitly ask for help? If you listen to when the girl asks him what he’s doing he replies ” do I look like I have help here?” That isn’t a command to help or get help. I’m not sure where the news article got that from other than the officer trying to remember what happened.

  • Mike

    Can we also note the officer doesn’t explicitly ask for help? If you listen to when the girl asks him what he’s doing he replies ” do I look like I have help here?” That isn’t a command to help or get help. I’m not sure where the news article got that from other than the officer trying to remember what happened.

  • Modsquad

    Hypothetically I’m the guy with the camera. The officer asks for help, I go over and get involved, trying to separate the civilian. Just then another squad car arrives, and they see two civilians and one officer fighting… they will make no distinction if someone is helping the officer, from their perspective it’s only two men hurting a blue. Out come the sidearms, I’m lying on the sidewalk now with a couple bullets in me, and there’s nobody filming to show what really happened. As much as I’d love to help an officer in distress, I have 0% trust that any officer coming later will treat me non-violently. 0% trust.

    • bj

      Beautifully put.
      Can someone post this comment on the Law Officer site?

      • n4zhg

        Won’t do any good. The site is full of badges and badge lickers.

  • Modsquad

    Hypothetically I’m the guy with the camera. The officer asks for help, I go over and get involved, trying to separate the civilian. Just then another squad car arrives, and they see two civilians and one officer fighting… they will make no distinction if someone is helping the officer, from their perspective it’s only two men hurting a blue. Out come the sidearms, I’m lying on the sidewalk now with a couple bullets in me, and there’s nobody filming to show what really happened. As much as I’d love to help an officer in distress, I have 0% trust that any officer coming later will treat me non-violently. 0% trust.

    • bj

      Beautifully put.
      Can someone post this comment on the Law Officer site?

      • n4zhg

        Won’t do any good. The site is full of badges and badge lickers.

    • henry bowman

      Yeah Verily – very good point

  • Tijuana Joe

    Now wait, if a cop can’t defend himself and gets his lights punched out, he’s not
    allowed to use bullets. Am I right on this?

  • ?

    If it’s possible to prevent the death of another human being, shouldn’t you try?

    • Don Thirtysixoh

      what death ? the cop was stupid enough to put him self in that position then he deserves to get knocked out . What cind of man pulls out a Gun to shoot some one beating beating youre ass bcuz you started hitting him first . You people make me sick to my stomach , the cop is in the wrong no matter wat the fuck the corrupt court system says or the judge

      • http://www.myspace.com/simpsonizer Simpsonizer

        Yup! NO HUMAN LIFE IS WORTH THIS! PERIOD! I mean really. If you look at it, money is the root of all evil! The man was going home from the bar and got into a squabble over cab fair. $$$ Cab fair… He got severely offended and punched the cabbie. BAD MOVE right there. As far as the anger. we all been there right? The firefighter would still be alive if he would have kept his cool, logically. In any situation, when the boys in blue come it has a chance of enraging some people and survival instincts kick in. “Oh man!! I don’t want to go to jail tonight or pay those fines, time to escape! NO FEES AHHH! ” The heck with the cab fair being too much! Police issued fines $$$ and court costs $$$ are now right around the corner!! Money is on this man’s mind! Next, let me ask, WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY from cops when the situation is at this level??? Finally, the firefighter continues to resist. Then the punches start. Instant death. This breaks my heart every time… Just should have let the drunkard go free…

        • steveo

          This death is all about our good friend alcohol:
          Alcohol is responsible for:
          40% of traffic fatalities
          65% of domestic violence
          50% of the drownings
          65% of the the in home electrocutions
          and 85% of child abuse.

          this guy just got married, why the F is he out at 2:30 in the morning? At least the widow wasn’t a wife and a widow in the same day.

  • Tijuana Joe

    Now wait, if a cop can’t defend himself and gets his lights punched out, he’s not
    allowed to use bullets. Am I right on this?

    • AmericaLovesPINAC

      Well, I think you are correct in principle. The trouble is that during the last century we have been converted to Cop Worshippers and Cop Idolaters. They can do no wrong. When they start putting these killers in jail for life, there will be healing in this country.

    • MR VENEGAS

      I totally agree with you…. a brawl is a brawl… cops should have given up on the arrest or worked on talking with the firefighter to get him to calm down and listen…. drunk people will not listen to commands and will get angry and fight back 99% of the time

  • ?

    If it’s possible to prevent the death of another human being, shouldn’t you try?

    • Don Thirtysixoh

      what death ? the cop was stupid enough to put him self in that position then he deserves to get knocked out . What cind of man pulls out a Gun to shoot some one beating beating youre ass bcuz you started hitting him first . You people make me sick to my stomach , the cop is in the wrong no matter wat the fuck the corrupt court system says or the judge

  • TotallyRandomName

    Idiots made idiotic comments in a comment section ON THE INTERNETS? Oh my god! The sky is falling!

  • TotallyRandomName

    Idiots made idiotic comments in a comment section ON THE INTERNETS? Oh my god! The sky is falling!

  • Tommy

    Its neither here nor there that the video tapers did or didnt help the fact is this man was murdered by a man over a fare for a cab, what gives this Terrorist the right to murder anyone? Why didnt he stand off until the other terroists arrived to help him restrain the man/firefighter?
    The bigger question is if this cop/terrorist is allowed to Murder because a man wouldnt put his hands palm down on the ground becuse another human tells him to…. then what the fuck is going on with the ” LAW ” ? Its Broken I reckon, Massively.

    • theaton

      No, the officer shot the firefighter in self-defense. In many instances officers do the wrong thing. this is not one of those instances. The firefigher killed the firefighter.

      • steveo

        SBC: suicide by cop

      • Scott Downey

        The firefighter was using self defense also.

        • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

          No, he started the aggression at the taxi. The initial aggressor loses a self-defense argument. Second, once he got on top and started to pound the officer, it was no longer self-defense.

          • AnonymousCoward

            Absolutely wrong. The fireman had withdrawn from the earlier altercation, and no court of law would have recognized him as the initial aggressor because of his earlier involvement in a fight. If instead of a cop the other party was Abby the Cabbie, and he decided he wanted revenge, so he pummeled Fred the Fireman no reasonable jury would consider Abby to be acting in self defense and Fred to be the aggressor.

            Charlie the Cop had the power to arrest Fred because he saw him commit a crime – Fred decided he didn’t feel like getting arrested so he started a new altercation with Charlie which ultimately earned him some real estate in cold storage. He was the initial aggressor in the altercation with Charlie, not because of some grandfathered status which hovered over him since his earlier fight with Abby.

          • petar petrovic

            Thank for this comment, but If i can ask something that bothers me… How can he have the power to arrest somebody while being off duty, working as a security officer for a hotel, if I gathered the facts properly?

            Since when do security officers get arrest powers, not to mention that it was probably outside of a hotel or it’s property, so he probably had even less of an authority to interfere then he would usually have (as hotel security)…

            From where exactly did arrest powers came in this case? How the hell does his badge he left at home or whatever give him the right to scream bloody murder? Or for that matter, how the hell is anybody supposed to know/or believe he is a real cop,
            if the law is stupid enough to allow that (I understand that cops can basically just yell “police” and they’ve “indentified” themselves, but in this case, off duty and security? Seriously?)…

            Is he some kind of a superman hotel security because he is not only covered by laws related to security personel but also by laws related to cops? WTF? If you have any ideas regarding this, can you share it please?

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Police officers have police powers 24 hours per day, including off-duty. He is still a police officer while working as a contractor to the hotel.

            Second, he was in his police uniform, so his badge wasn’t “left” at home.

            Third, in some states security officers have limited arrest authority over that of the general citizen. That does not apply to off-duty police, of course, they still retain the police power that goes with their badge.

          • AnonymousCoward

            My earlier post, below, puts a finer point on this.

            In many (most?) areas off-duty police have limited powers.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            It is actually the opposite. In almost all states, officers have full authority while off-duty. Some departments will limit what the officers can enforce, but there is no difference in arrest authority.

          • petar petrovic

            In case it’s not clear from my previous comment directed at you, here it is again:

            1) If he had cop powers, from where the f from… off duty AND working a different job, namely security? Is the law that sick that it makes him a superman in this case?

            2) If he didn’t get arrest powers from being a cop, from where did he get them? Random security can arrest people for random shit? That’s f up to say the least…

            Thanks for your input.

          • AnonymousCoward

            He’s still a cop regardless of the fact that he was working security at the time. The powers depend on the region, but most places will allow this if the off-duty police officer observes a violent felony occur (which he did in this case).

            Some areas, like Connecticut allow full arrest powers within jurisdiction and outside of jurisdiction only in the case of a violent felony.

          • petar petrovic

            WOW, just WOW. He IS Superman! (Check my previous comments).

            “Hubbard, who was working security for the Marriott while wearing his
            Police Department uniform, saw the group arguing and saw Anthony Bruno
            leaving the area. He headed east after him.”

            https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansascity.com%2F2014%2F02%2F25%2F4848650%2Fcase-file-reveals-moments-before.html&redir_token=8wzoDXzSp27UmkXpTj1HUI9OqqV8MTQwODMwOTcwNUAxNDA4MjIzMzA1

          • AnonymousCoward

            A bit of an aside, but I read the nurse’s comments and yeesh. The only thing worse than police who refer to people as ‘civilian’ is when the general public starts to use the term as if it somehow differentiates the public from civilian police officers.

  • Tommy

    Its neither here nor there that the video tapers did or didnt help the fact is this man was murdered by a man over a fare for a cab, what gives this Terrorist the right to murder anyone? Why didnt he stand off until the other terroists arrived to help him restrain the man/firefighter?
    The bigger question is if this cop/terrorist is allowed to Murder because a man wouldnt put his hands palm down on the ground becuse another human tells him to…. then what the fuck is going on with the ” LAW ” ? Its Broken I reckon, Massively.

  • LevelHeaded76

    Anyone else notice that the fireman pulled a ‘Fireman’s Carry’ for that reversal? The irony.

    • steveo

      Yeah, look at my earlier post. When that leo circled around to the front, I was screaming at him like I was his wrestling coach, don’t do that. You need to keep your center of gravity around the bottom guy’s hips and use a double nelson (illegal wrestling move) and start talking to the guy that you are going to break his neck if he doesn’t calm down and let you handcuff him. Leo’s should learn some basic freestyle wrestling. I could have controlled Rodney King in about 20 seconds and without 10 guys with sticks.

      Firemen are pretty damn strong, though. Look at all the shit they have to carry.

  • LevelHeaded76

    Anyone else notice that the fireman pulled a ‘Fireman’s Carry’ for that reversal? The irony.

  • pmb

    Help the cop? Are you fucking kidding me.

    Can I help the poor guy getting pummeled by cops? NO
    Can I help the countless people everyday who are beaten by cops? NO
    If I try to help the citizen victim the cops will either brutally beat me or even kill me.

    But as soon as some cop asks for help I should?–FUCK THAT!!
    RESPECT IS EARNED AND PIGS GET NONE!

    Maybe once they start respecting the public I will respect them–until then I will treat them the way they treat the public–with no regard for their safety.

    THEIR COSTUMES DON’T MEAN SHIT!

    Also, notice in the video, the aggression was begun by the cop by slamming the guys head into the sidewalk with his knee..he could have waited for help and just held him down–but he wanted to fight…

    Again, COSTUMES DON’T CHANGE REALITY.

    • Don Thirtysixoh

      Damn right , fucking pigs … i dont even know where to start…. fucking corrupt dirty bastards

  • pmb

    Help the cop? Are you fucking kidding me.

    Can I help the poor guy getting pummeled by cops? NO
    Can I help the countless people everyday who are beaten by cops? NO
    If I try to help the citizen victim the cops will either brutally beat me or even kill me.

    But as soon as some cop asks for help I should?–FUCK THAT!!
    RESPECT IS EARNED AND PIGS GET NONE!

    Maybe once they start respecting the public I will respect them–until then I will treat them the way they treat the public–with no regard for their safety.

    THEIR COSTUMES DON’T MEAN SHIT!

    Also, notice in the video, the aggression was begun by the cop by slamming the guys head into the sidewalk with his knee..he could have waited for help and just held him down–but he wanted to fight…

    Again, COSTUMES DON’T CHANGE REALITY.

    • Don Thirtysixoh

      Damn right , fucking pigs … i dont even know where to start…. fucking corrupt dirty bastards

  • borderraven

    The cops have pushed to disarm us, but when they need help, all we have is a camera.

    • Kukul Kan

      No, the police have not pushed to disarm us. If you view polls on police officers’ views of the Second Amendment, the polls indicate police officers strongly support the Second Amendment and individuals’ right to keep and bear arms. Police chiefs are a different story. The police officer at issue is not a police chief.

      • FtP

        God forbid a cop is nearby when legally open carrying.
        Even worse when concealed carry, your permit be damned.

        • Kukul Kan

          I have seen videos and heard first hand reports of LEOs overreacting and acting appropriately with respect to open carry. The only video I have seen re concealed carry showed the officer acting inappropriately. Based on my observations, I’d conclude that you can’t judge all officers based on the inappropriate actions of a subset of officers.

          • Difdi

            By that logic, no officer would ever need to order a citizen to disarm for reasons of ‘officer safety’, since the vast majority of citizens are not criminals and pose no threat to police, armed or not.

            And yet, police do judge you and me and everyone else in exactly that manner. Where are all the good cops you speak of, and why don’t they do something about the ‘few bad apples’? Could it be that the good ones do nothing because the bad ones outnumber the good, and the good ones would lose?

          • Kukul Kan

            Difdi: I never made any attempt to quantify the ratio of good apples to bad apples. Black people commit a disproportionate share of murders. I don’t believe that all Black people are murderers. I don’t believe all police are bad applies. Where are the good police officers? How about the officer in the video. All the evidence I have is that he is a good officer. He witnessed the firefighter repeatedly punch a taxi driver. He attempts to arrest the firefighter for a violent crime. That’s what we want police to do. So, in the absence of any evidence that this police officer is a bad apple, I will not assume that he is a bad apple. Why do the good ones do nothing to report the bad ones? The “thin blue line.” That and the officers who do try to do something are hounded out of the police force.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            You have to remember that Carlos’s blog attracts a fair proportion of whackjobs, morons, idiots, and retards. You have to separate the wheat from the chaff and ignore the idiots.

          • theaton

            Says the guy that was attracted to Carlos’ blog.

          • JdL

            You have to remember that Carlos’s blog attracts a fair proportion of whackjobs, morons, idiots, and retards. You have to separate the wheat from the chaff and ignore the idiots.

            Oh, the irony…

          • Rail Car Fan

            ExCop-LawStudent listed “whackjobs, morons, idiots, and retards”.

            I guess my question would be: “I wonder which one you guys feel he falls under”?

            Nice Try ExCop-LawStudent.

            Thanks for playing!

            Rail Car Fan

          • PINAC-University

            Okay. I’m ignoring you then.

  • borderraven

    The cops have pushed to disarm us, but when they need help, all we have is a camera.

    • Kukul Kan

      No, the police have not pushed to disarm us. If you view polls on police officers’ views of the Second Amendment, the polls indicate police officers strongly support the Second Amendment and individuals’ right to keep and bear arms. Police chiefs are a different story. The police officer at issue is not a police chief.

      • FtP

        God forbid a cop is nearby when legally open carrying.
        Even worse when concealed carry, your permit be damned.

        • Kukul Kan

          I have seen videos and heard first hand reports of LEOs overreacting and acting appropriately with respect to open carry. The only video I have seen re concealed carry showed the officer acting inappropriately. Based on my observations, I’d conclude that you can’t judge all officers based on the inappropriate actions of a subset of officers.

  • Rick Hiltz

    But the real blame lies within the officers themselves for creating such an “us vs them”
    mentality against citizens where people are not only reluctant to get
    involved, but they are sure to record everything to ensure police do not
    twist the truth in their arrest reports………………….i agree with this the officer looks at the couple when asked what did he do and says,,,,,,,,, do i look like i have to tell you ….he was not to me asking for help he knees the guy in the head prompting a response of self defense from the fire fighter ……………. note if your going to defend ur self in this manner break the arm the holster is on so he cant shoot you

  • Rick Hiltz

    But the real blame lies within the officers themselves for creating such an “us vs them”
    mentality against citizens where people are not only reluctant to get
    involved, but they are sure to record everything to ensure police do not
    twist the truth in their arrest reports………………….i agree with this the officer looks at the couple when asked what did he do and says,,,,,,,,, do i look like i have to tell you ….he was not to me asking for help he knees the guy in the head prompting a response of self defense from the fire fighter ……………. note if your going to defend ur self in this manner break the arm the holster is on so he cant shoot you

  • jwalsh

    Baltimore Ravens Fans KO A Couple After Super Bowl Win!

    The girl and her boyfriend get beat up by some passer bys, and the the police come, and then she attacks the videographer.

    She is telling the police to stop the filming, and they said its legal. And let him film.

    • jwalsh

      At the end of the video the police say you can record in the whole USA.

  • jwalsh

    Baltimore Ravens Fans KO A Couple After Super Bowl Win!

    The girl and her boyfriend get beat up by some passer bys, and the the police come, and then she attacks the videographer.

    She is telling the police to stop the filming, and they said its legal. And let him film.

    • jwalsh

      At the end of the video the police say you can record in the whole USA.

  • Don Thirtysixoh

    You guys want to know what the problem is with the cops ? They are adrenaline junkies , and every day they get adrenaline doses from arresting people , drug busts , hot persuits .,… if youre body gets used to that every day … youre soon gonna be a adrenaline junkie therfor you will be looking to make situations escalade to a point where police force is ( requiered ) … its all bullshit .

    • darrenlobo

      The problem with cops is that they are cops. The institutions of law enforcement are flawed. First, they are financed by theft, some call it taxation. This allows them to impose their “services” on us like it or not. We need to do away with law enforcement as we know it. Replace the cops & courts with private institutions that are voluntarily hired & financed. With a client/provider relationship there is no incentive to abuse nor enforce stupidities like the war on drugs.

  • Don Thirtysixoh

    You guys want to know what the problem is with the cops ? They are adrenaline junkies , and every day they get adrenaline doses from arresting people , drug busts , hot persuits .,… if youre body gets used to that every day … youre soon gonna be a adrenaline junkie therfor you will be looking to make situations escalade to a point where police force is ( requiered ) … its all bullshit .

    • darrenlobo

      The problem with cops is that they are cops. The institutions of law enforcement are flawed. First, they are financed by theft, some call it taxation. This allows them to impose their “services” on us like it or not. We need to do away with law enforcement as we know it. Replace the cops & courts with private institutions that are voluntarily hired & financed. With a client/provider relationship there is no incentive to abuse nor enforce stupidities like the war on drugs.

  • Mahonri Young

    I don’t blame the video guy but he is a chickenshit for not jumping in and helping when the cop called out for help. Any decent person would have tried to help. What is wrong with the guy that he thought his video was more important than helping this cop?

    • Kukul Kan

      The officer never called out for help. Listen to the video. When I watched the video, I thought the officer was responding to the questions from the bystander about what he was doing.

      • steveo

        I thought he said, “I need help” right before he was flipped.

    • Difdi

      Decent people would help the victim, not the criminal. The cop started it and then wasn’t man enough to finish it except by pulling his gun.

      • NotTalkingOutOfMyAss

        Zimmerman…

        • Difdi

          Zimmerman didn’t start it. The first person to break the law was Martin (trespassing, house prowling), causing Zimmerman to follow, observe and report to police, which is exactly what a member of a neighborhood watch group is supposed to do when he sees someone going into people’s yards and behind their houses.

          Following someone that way isn’t against the law. Martin being extremely racist and feeling irrationally threatened because someone with a different skin color (Martin even misidentified Zimmerman as a cracker (white), while Zimmerman is Hispanic and about as white as President Obama is) was following him doesn’t make Zimmerman’s actions illegal. Going by Martin’s cellphone calls, he believed he was being followed by a police officer and stated his intent to kill the cop right before he turned around and followed Zimmerman back to Zimmerman’s truck.

          Martin started the fight, Zimmerman was Martin’s victim. Martin was bigger, stronger and had better martial arts training than Zimmerman and easily won the fight. Note that since Zimmerman had not done anything illegal, nor did he pose any kind of threat to Martin at the time Martin attacked him, that attack wasn’t self defense, it was a couple different crimes (assault, battery).

          And then Martin, having won the fight, decided to follow through on his previously-stated intent to kill a cracker and tried to make his win permanent by inflicting a fatal injury on Zimmerman. Zimmerman objected to being murdered and used the proper amount of force to defend himself from MARTIN’S attempt at second degree murder.

          Legally, deadly force is deadly force is deadly force. It doesn’t matter who is armed with what, it only matters that the victim of the attack reasonably believe that he is about to be murdered or crippled and then he can use any deadly force method he has available to him and it is lawful self-defense.

          Zimmerman even showed considerable restraint — he didn’t draw his gun until his own murder was under way, and legally he could have kept shooting until the magazine was empty, but he stopped after firing a single shot, because that was all that was needed.

          • Rail Car Fan

            Here’s another one who’s train has gone off the rails!

            Rail Car Fan

          • Difdi

            Why yes, you have indeed gone off the rails. When you lose the ability to recognize truth, you can’t end up anywhere else.

    • BenC

      What on earth do you suppose the video guy could do about it? Most people have no idea what to do in a fight. If he went over there and tried to break up the fight, the firefighter would almost certainly start swinging at him as well. Is the video guy supposed to be willing to get his ass kicked just to help the cop?

  • Mahonri Young

    I don’t blame the video guy but he is a chickenshit for not jumping in and helping when the cop called out for help. Any decent person would have tried to help. What is wrong with the guy that he thought his video was more important than helping this cop?

    • Kukul Kan

      The officer never called out for help. Listen to the video. When I watched the video, I thought the officer was responding to the questions from the bystander about what he was doing.

  • mimi

    police always gets mad at us to get away or we will be arrested for intervening.. if i was put in that position i would of course go away as i don’t want to be arrested..sadly yes ill admit ill be a coward for not standing up..but as police always state to get away from the situation as we will be arrested for intervening..society will always fight both sides of the situation no matter what the situation is..but the bigger picture is why pointing fingers to other people for what really happened..why can’t we just accept the fact that the cop was feared for his life as he lost control of the situation he should have called back up but he didn’t..so many outcomes and things that could have prevented for what happened..but sometimes when you are placed in that very spot you see a tunnel vision..and sometimes you forget where you are, the pros and cons of the situation.. so before you judge and point fingers think of all situations that has happened..anything can be the reason for result..police will always back up police, society will back up society, politician will back up politician.. no matter why dont we stop following like a pack of geese and follow our one self..look at the situation at all sides and before you post your comment..cause we will always have hate and angry in our lives..that is why we have fights, wars coming in..lets teach our younger generation something..make love not war..

  • mimi

    police always gets mad at us to get away or we will be arrested for intervening.. if i was put in that position i would of course go away as i don’t want to be arrested..sadly yes ill admit ill be a coward for not standing up..but as police always state to get away from the situation as we will be arrested for intervening..society will always fight both sides of the situation no matter what the situation is..but the bigger picture is why pointing fingers to other people for what really happened..why can’t we just accept the fact that the cop was feared for his life as he lost control of the situation he should have called back up but he didn’t..so many outcomes and things that could have prevented for what happened..but sometimes when you are placed in that very spot you see a tunnel vision..and sometimes you forget where you are, the pros and cons of the situation.. so before you judge and point fingers think of all situations that has happened..anything can be the reason for result..police will always back up police, society will back up society, politician will back up politician.. no matter why dont we stop following like a pack of geese and follow our one self..look at the situation at all sides and before you post your comment..cause we will always have hate and angry in our lives..that is why we have fights, wars coming in..lets teach our younger generation something..make love not war..

  • Ian Battles

    Courts have ruled that cops have no duty to protect, so fuck that.

    I’M not the one who gets paid to be in harm’s way. Don’t like it Officer? You’re free to find another line of work if the risk of harm scares you.

    • Kukul Kan

      You don’t seem to get it. The officer is not the one who paid for the videographer’s failure to provide assistance. The firefighter and his family are the ones who have paid the heaviest price. A simple, “Do you need help?” might have changed the entire incident.

      • theaton

        Maybe the firefighter shouldn’t have gotten drunk and punched a cab driver. The only person that is responsible for the firefigher being dead is the firefighter. If he didn’t care for his family anymore than that, why should we?

        • steveo

          I agree, this is sad. Here the guy should be in bed with the new wife, instead he’s punching out a cabbie, running from police, when he’s caught by the police, he fights and gets shot. What the fuck does anyone expect to happen. So many of these encounters could be avoided. Leos will tell you, if it weren’t for our good friend alcohol, none of them would have jobs.

  • Ian Battles

    Courts have ruled that cops have no duty to protect, so fuck that.

    I’M not the one who gets paid to be in harm’s way. Don’t like it Officer? You’re free to find another line of work if the risk of harm scares you.

    • Kukul Kan

      You don’t seem to get it. The officer is not the one who paid for the videographer’s failure to provide assistance. The firefighter and his family are the ones who have paid the heaviest price. A simple, “Do you need help?” might have changed the entire incident.

  • Bob

    Since when does a punch escalate to deadly force? Just another coward with a badge and a gun.

  • Bob

    Since when does a punch escalate to deadly force? Just another coward with a badge and a gun.