April 19th, 2014

PINAC Crew Member Under Investigation by Fusion Center for Video Recording Cops 189

By Carlos Miller

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All Jeff Gray has been trying to do is ensure law enforcement officers honor the oath they swore to the Constitution upon receiving their badge, which is why he routinely video records them in public for his Youtube channel, HONORYOUROATH.

But that has led him to become the subject of an active investigation by the Florida Fusion Center, a collusion of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies encouraging citizens to rat on each other for taking too many pictures or asking too many questions.

At least that’s how they describe it on their website:

Law enforcement can’t be everywhere all the time so they rely on citizens to report crime and suspicious activity to local law enforcement agencies. Some of these citizen reports may be valuable to a fusion center that is examining these reports for common trends. For example multiple reports of people taking pictures of a nuclear facility or asking questions regarding the security measures at a seaport.

So it’s only natural that they would take a special interest in Gray, who despite being extremely transparent about his mission, has been labeled “a suspicious person” by Florida authorities who have built an extensive file on him.

Gray made the discovery through a series of public records request to law enforcement agencies in North Florida, asking to see emails containing his name, including variations of his name as well as the username HONORYOUROATH.

At first, the St. Augustine resident filed his request with the St. Johns County Sheriff’s Office, but was told they had nothing in their email files that met his request, which he knew to be a lie because he had corresponded with them last year after filing a complaint against two of their deputies for harassing him for video recording inmates working on a public road.

St. John's County Sheriff's response

Then he made the same request to the Flagler Beach Police Department, based in the county below, and discovered he was the subject of an active investigation by the Florida Fusion Center.

Heading the investigation is Detective Angelo “David” Rosado of the St. Johns County Sheriff’s Office – the agency that initially claimed they had no emails containing any of his names.

Here is a portion of the email correspondence between local, state and federal cops who were discussing Gray last year.

Fusion Center investigationRead the entire report here where they accuse Gray of “luring” cops into confrontations with his video camera, but also reminding officials that citizens do have the right to record.

But even after noting that, they still insisted on gathering photos of Gray (pretty much screen shots of his videos) and adding them to the file they had created on him.

Gray also obtained a series of field intelligence reports from the St. Johns Sheriff’s Office regarding his video activity. One of the reports includes an incident when he was visited by the Florida Department of Children and Families after they claimed they received an anonymous tip that he had guns in his home, which is not a crime and not even a secret considering Gray is very open about his gun ownership.

But that didn’t stop DCF from interviewing his children at school without his knowledge before paying him a visit at home, which he video recorded and posted on Youtube, as well as his follow-up phone conversation with the investigator that his children were not in any imminent danger, so there was no need to further investigate him. Both videos are posted below.

The rest of the reports paint him as a suspicious person for video recording public officials from public property.

Then there was an “intelligence bulletin” compiled by the Columbia County Sheriff’s Office after his incident with a prison warden who snatched a camera out of his hands in a video that is also posted below.

The two-page report, part of which you can see below, acknowledges he has the right to record, but states that the “manner in which he lures officers is concerning.”

But what is even more concerning is how they failed to acknowledge the prison warden committed a crime by snatching his camera.

The report mentions his 2012 arrest for refusing to provide identification as he was being harassed for video recording, which ended up getting dismissed, as well as a 1998 arrest for writing a fraudulent check, which was also dismissed because it was a result of a misunderstanding while he was in the midst of moving.

It was a $23 check made out to Winn Dixie, his employer at the time, where he remained for an additional 15 years before resigning last year.

But the tone of the report attempts to paint him as suspicious as possible by mentioning his gun ownership and stating that he “claims he has a concealed permit” – when any legitimate intelligence report could have easily verified this so-called claim.

Columbia County

Fusion centers were created in 2003 in the wake of 9/11 as a means of law enforcement agencies to share information and prevent terrorism, but a two-year senate investigation completed in 2012 determined the fusion centers were highly ineffective, often invasive of citizens’ civil rights and pretty much a waste of federal money considering more than a billion dollars has been poured into them since 2003 with nothing to show for it.

From the report:

The Subcommittee investigation found that DHS-assigned detailees to the fusion centers forwarded “intelligence” of uneven quality – oftentimes shoddy, rarely timely, sometimes endangering citizens’ civil liberties and Privacy Act protections, occasionally taken from already-published public sources, and more often than not unrelated to terrorism.

The Subcommittee investigation also found that DHS officials’ public claims about fusion centers were not always accurate. For instance, DHS officials asserted that some fusion centers existed when they did not. At times, DHS officials overstated fusion centers’ “success stories.” At other times, DHS officials failed to disclose or acknowledge non-public evaluations highlighting a host of problems at fusion centers and in DHS’s own operations.

Despite the failure of the fusion centers, the mainstream media still treats them as if they were effective as you can see in the first video below.

 


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  • rust

    LOOK OUT, HE’S GOT A CAMERA!

    Sir, step away from the shutter.

    • inquisitor

      He lured me into the field of view of his camera.
      Therefore my life was in imminent danger.
      I had to shoot him.

    • G

      You’re a fucking asshole.

      • inquisitor

        You need professional help.
        There are medications.

      • rust

        OOOOH! I am so fucking scared of “G”

        Are you done sucking off Enforcers yet, because you still have come dripping from your lips.

      • Ori LegFav

        Found the cop.

  • Ray186

    Now this is the scary stuff. The man has yet to commit a crime, yet an extensive Homeland Security file has been generated about him. And from what I have read, are being intentionally vague while painting this person as a person to be feared of in any interaction.

    • G

      Its no different when J. Edgar Hoover had files on just about every American. You also need to remember that police intelligence agencies have files on ordinary American citizens and American organizations for a long time. I believe about 20 years ago, the citizens of some Colorado city (can’t recalled which one was it) found out that the intelligence branch of their police department had files on them for no legal justification.

      • http://dailygrackle.wordpress.com NoelArmourson

        That happened in Denver.

    • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

      Yes they are being intentionally vague such as ” he claims to have a concealed carry permit” While at the same time using words such as “lure” to describe how I document public officials. The word “lure” conjures up certain images in most people such as pedophiles or rapist.

      • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

        Yea, but we all know who the REAL PEDOPHILE ARE. https://www.facebook.com/PoliceOfficersRapingKids Cops try to fuck any and all things with a hole, and kids are not off their radar. SICK MOTHER FUCKERS COPS ARE!

        • Film The Police Always

          It looks like all the info no longer exists. So the public records request will be a waste.

      • James M Morriss

        Well you do stand in plain sight, and to be honest the lens of a camera does look like a doughnut. You know, round with sorta a hole in it. It’s like throwing bread crumbs at pigeons.

      • inquisitor

        “Luring”…what legal definition or statute is that?

      • inquisitor

        Yeah, I caught that vague allusion to your “claiming” you have a concealed carry permit. As to convey doubt that you really do have one.
        When it could just as easily have been said that you do have one and an official reference to your permit could be provided to verify you are a permit holder and in compliance with the law.

        Not only are you profiled but you are being presented in a way to make you look like a threat.

      • Dolt

        It looks to me like they are creating a paper trail so when some cop goes too far and causes injury or such over the top civil rights violations they can claim you to be the dangerous person who they had been “dealing with for years”. They will use their phony documentation on home visits, prior arrests and incidents to either press phony charges on you, persuade a jury or defend their violent actions.

        Be careful. The corruption is so strong it stinks.

        • inquisitor

          A file full of official sounding mischaracterizations, innuendo and heresay.

          • n4zhg

            That will nonetheless be accepted at face value in court. About ten years ago an upper middle class black man in the mid-Atlantic had his car stolen. It was reported, and recovered. Two months after recovery, he was felony-stopped (nearly losing his life to a cop’s gun) because the idiot cops failed to remove his car from the hot sheet. Lost the lawsuit.

          • kktex12

            Typical corrupt law enforcement tactics. ESPECIALLY dcf. DCF are lower than bill collectors. They are liars, amoral, and just as corrupt as some law enforcement. Look at the case of the little girl seized by the state of Ma. due to some snot nosed weasel doctor just out of college who thinks she knows more than doctors with 20 yrs plus practice and research experience.

          • Ron

            All we need is some ominous sounding music to come on while we read the file.

      • Jerry Bushman

        That is their M.O. Every word they use has an ulterior motive. Jeff, keep up the good work. I have seen you in videos getting verbally strip searched and yet you maintain your composure. Sometimes I just wish you could just tell them that you are not breaking any law so leave me alone.

      • Ron

        They are using self-serving weasel words. Spinning it their way.

  • tz1

    “Law enforcement can’t be everywhere all the time so they rely on
    citizens to report crime and suspicious activity to local law
    enforcement agencies.”

    And when “law enforcement” IS the agency doing the crimes or suspicious activity?

    So if Deputy Bubballah either is a terrorist or can be blackmailed, we are defenseless?

    • G

      Funny how the police stated that they can’t be everywhere and then we find out why they can’t be everywhere because they spend their all their time spying on us or harrassing people at peaceful demonstrations, instead of doing what they are paid to do like patrol the streets, fight white collar corporate time, doing community oriented policing, or thinking about how to make their department better without violating people’s rights.

    • James M Morriss

      The folks in Nevada say “no we are not defenseless nor at their mercy.”

  • Fascist Slayer

    After the fall of the Berlin Wall the people of East Germany were lucky, very lucky, they had but only ONE Stasi office to storm, just one. You’re fucked America, you’re fucked in holes you never even knew you had. You should get used to saying, “I didn’t know I had a hole there’, yes America you do have a hole there. There is not enough Vaseline in the entire middle east to save you from the fascist pig fisting.

  • Fotaugrafee

    OMG…OMG…OMG!!!! Another ‘sovereign citizen’…with a camera!!!!! :o

    These fucking people get on my goddamn nerves.

    • inquisitor

      Jeff has asserted multiple times that he is not a “sovereign citizen”.

      • Fotaugrafee

        I realize that, you realize that. I was quoting the implied attitude of the gendarmes.

        And the people who get on my nerves are the assholes (and cops) who imply this made-up shit about being a “sovereign citizen” as though that is somehow different than being an AMERICAN citizen.

    • Difdi

      You don’t need to be a sovereign citizen to expect the government, particularly law enforcement and corrections personnel to obey the law.

      • Fotaugrafee

        See above.

  • Johnny Come Lately

    So when will the federal and civil lawsuits begin?

    Carlos maybe your new hire can assist. On the job training. Did he pass the British Accredited Registry yet?

  • Elliott Whitlow

    They must realize that they are screwing with the wrong guy here..

    • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

      LOL!

    • James M Morriss

      No They are EXTREMELY slow to recognize anything that isn’t round with a hole in it.

  • dravo1

    Jeff, your local congressman might want to jump in on this one. He could start the ball rolling to get this Fusion ‘funding’ cut off for good. Worth a try.

    • Tinker Bell

      lol, the congressman probably lobbies for more funding every year for the program

  • Mr. Wonderful

    One can see that the authorities would be happy to poke our eyes out so we can’t see what is going on. It reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon from a few years ago, Dilbert: I hear that the company wants to give us all lobotomies. Boss: certainly not; at least not at the prices they quoted.

  • ARtP

    When is the lawsuit against the St. Johns County Sheriff’s Office going to be filed for violation of public records laws?

    • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

      They will be served soon, possibly next week.

      • Frodo

        I anxiously await the announcement.

      • inquisitor

        I smile.
        Please include updates.

  • soSignInisNot signin

    Live Oak, reporting and ready for duty!

    Bob

  • JdL

    But that didn’t stop DCF from interviewing his children at school without his knowledge

    Among many other obscenities. This is the face of pure evil. There is no credible allegation of any wrongdoing by Mr. Gray, yet these assholes are spending money taken by force from him, from me, from everybody, to plot against him. Do not think that this is some semi-benign case of good-hearted zeal gone too far; this is an example of the malignant cancer afflicting our nation. If those of us who still have functioning brains want anything left for our children and grandchildren to enjoy, we need to put a stop to the thugs who have forgotten their proper place in society.

    • stk33

      If you watched Jeff’s video, it’s obvious that DCF got in action following telephone tip from a neighbor, and it looks like Jeff knows which neighbor. So it’s hardly related to Jeff’s videotaping activities.

      • inquisitor

        “Obvious” it was a neighbor?

        All Jeff said was that he thinks who may have been responsible for the call.
        At no time did the DCF person or Jeff ever insinuate anything about it being a neighbor.

      • JdL

        If you watched Jeff’s video, it’s obvious that DCF got in action following telephone tip from a neighbor, and it looks like Jeff knows which neighbor. So it’s hardly related to Jeff’s activism.

        You believe that? That’s the oldest cop trick in the world.

        • n4zhg

          It’s the oldest trick because it works. You can ask Anthony Mitchell what happens when you fail to fellate law enforcement on command.

      • Difdi

        Yes, because once someone phones in a tip that someone is not breaking any laws, DCF has no choice but to go out and commit crimes.

  • DocRambo

    Would seem to me that the authorities are building a case against themselves. They will cross the line eventually, and when they do, I hope Jeff has a good attorney; and I’ll donate to his defense fund.

    • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

      I’ll start by saying this first, WE WILL ALL SUPPORT JEFF FINANCIALLY! That’s a given.

      As for the rest of this story; well these pathetic idiots that are wasting resources to write up anything about Jeff is pathetic. You are ALL a bunch of MORONS! You all are just like that old dumbass Senator Reid. Anybody that’s stands for the constitution is a domestic terrorist to you assholes. FUCK YOU !! You all get ready for work, strap YOUR GUNS TO YOUR SIDES AND THINK ABOUT HOW COOL YOU LOOK. You are all dumbasses, and I hope REAL CRIMINALS shoot you all in your fucking heads. . I’m so sick of you assholes violating peoples rights, and doing everything in your power to criminalize normal folks because they are showing others that this country is changing for the worse.

      F U C K Y O U A L L !

  • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

    Here is the public record request I sent to Detective Rosado on 4/17/14. I have yet to receive a response.

    Attention Detective Rosado,

    The public records act does not contain a specific time limit ( such as 24 hours or ten days ) for compliance with public records request. The Florida Supreme Court has stated that the only delay in producing records permitted under chapter 119, Florida Statues, is the reasonable time allowed the custodian to retrieve the record and delete those portions of the record the custodian asserts are exempt.

    Pursuant to the state open records law, Fla. Stat. Secs. 119.01 to 119.15 , I write to request access to and a copy of all emails produced or received by SJSO Detective David Rosado that contain the name Jeffrey M Gray or variations of that name from a time period of 01/01/12 to 04/15/14.

    Variations Of the name Jeffrey M Gray are as follows Jeff Gray, J.Gray, Jeffrey M Grey, J.Grey, Jeff Grey.

    If your agency does not maintain these public records, please let me know who does and include the proper custodian’s name and address.I agree to pay any reasonable copying and postage fees of not more than $1. If the cost would be greater than this amount, please notify me. Please provide a receipt indicating the charges for each document.

    If you choose to deny this request, please provide a written explanation for the denial including a reference to the specific statutory exemption(s) upon which you rely. Also, please provide all segregable portions of otherwise exempt material.

    Please be advised that I am prepared to pursue whatever legal remedy necessary to obtain access to the requested records. I would note that willful violation of the open records law can result in your being fined up to$1,000, imprisoned for up to one year, or both. See Fla. Stat. Sec. 119.10. Litigation costs and attorney fees may also be awarded. See Sec. 119.12.

    The public records act does not contain a specific time limit ( such as 24 hours or ten days ) for compliance with public records request. The Florida Supreme Court has stated that the only delay in producing records permitted under chapter 119, Florida Statues, is the reasonable time allowed the custodian to retrieve the record and delete those portions of the record the custodian asserts are exempt.

    Please respond by electronic means only to tgray9937@hotmail.com

    Thank you for your prompt response as required by law.

    Sincerely Jeff Gray

  • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

    I also sent it to Carol McCullar SJSO’s public records coordinator.

    Attention Records Coordinator,

    The public records act does not contain a specific time limit ( such as 24 hours or ten days ) for compliance with public records request. The Florida Supreme Court has stated that the only delay in producing records permitted under chapter 119, Florida Statues, is the reasonable time allowed the custodian to retrieve the record and delete those portions of the record the custodian asserts are exempt.

    Pursuant to the state open records law, Fla. Stat. Secs. 119.01 to 119.15 , I write to request access to and a copy of all emails produced or received by SJSO Detective David Rosado that contain the name Jeffrey M Gray or variations of that name from a time period of 01/01/12 to 04/15/14.

    Variations Of the name Jeffrey M Gray are as follows Jeff Gray, J.Gray, Jeffrey M Grey, J.Grey, Jeff Grey.

    If your agency does not maintain these public records, please let me know who does and include the proper custodian’s name and address.I agree to pay any reasonable copying and postage fees of not more than $1. If the cost would be greater than this amount, please notify me. Please provide a receipt indicating the charges for each document.

    If you choose to deny this request, please provide a written explanation for the denial including a reference to the specific statutory exemption(s) upon which you rely. Also, please provide all segregable portions of otherwise exempt material.

    Please be advised that I am prepared to pursue whatever legal remedy necessary to obtain access to the requested records. I would note that willful violation of the open records law can result in your being fined up to$1,000, imprisoned for up to one year, or both. See Fla. Stat. Sec. 119.10. Litigation costs and attorney fees may also be awarded. See Sec. 119.12.

    The public records act does not contain a specific time limit ( such as 24 hours or ten days ) for compliance with public records request. The Florida Supreme Court has stated that the only delay in producing records permitted under chapter 119, Florida Statues, is the reasonable time allowed the custodian to retrieve the record and delete those portions of the record the custodian asserts are exempt.

    Please respond by electronic means only to tgray9937@hotmail.com

    Thank you for your prompt response as required by law.

    Sincerely Jeff Gray

  • Boomer

    Please continue your efforts, Jeff. In all my time on this earth, one of the incontrovertible lessons I’ve learned is that filthy disgusting vulgar cockroaches hate light with a passion. That would describe these vile “law enforcement” felons to a decimal point.

    My deep respect, sir.

  • Frodo

    FBI’s Most Wanted

    1. ADNAN G. EL SHUKRIJUMAH
    2. ALI SAED BIN ALI EL-HOORIE
    3. HASAN IZZ-AL-DIN
    4. JEFFREY MARCUS GRAY
    5. JABER A. ELBANEH

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  • n4zhg

    They call themselves fusion centers, but they act more like STASI intelligence centers…

    • Difdi

      They’re like a fusion of the Gestapo and KGB…

  • James M Morriss

    I thought it is your right to access the info with out jumping through hoop and filling out forms, giving your name, etc. What the hell is the deal with talking to the kids without your being there or at least your knowledge? I had that problem with a deputy at my sons high school. Fixed it the first time. Never happened again. Had to deal with DSS one time and it was one time too many. They are surely proud of themselves and sure you are guilty of something before they ever talk to you.

    I must say you have more patients than I do for this kind of crap.
    I sincerely hope you never here from them again.

    • Ron

      As well as putting down all variants of your name. James Morriss, James. Morris, James Morris etc etc. I guess the morons cants even work that bit out for themselves

  • Tinker Bell

    The government is compiling files on us and we are now compiling records and files on THEM !!!

  • maxabillion

    Im pretty sure everyone commenting on this site is being investigated by a fusion center.

    • Joel Mawmah

      Good. While they’re “investigating” they can suck my dick.

      • G

        Bet it is a small dick, LOL.

        • inquisitor

          Douche-baaaaag.

        • Fotaugrafee

          That’s probably because you prefer to suck sweaty balls, G.

  • Difdi

    In the second video, the guy confesses on camera to robbery by sudden snatching — Florida has citizen’s arrest (of the 50 states, only North Carolina lacks it), so Jeff, WHY didn’t you arrest the schmuck?

    All it takes to invoke the law and effect the arrest as a legal matter is to orally inform him he is under arrest. At that point, any physical attack, leaving the scene, etc is resisting arrest.

    Having a video of a prison warden committing robbery and then in all probability resisting arrest and escape all the while aided and abetted by a prison guard would be journalistic GOLD!

    • inquisitor

      I always asked myself why there was no legal follow-up regarding this criminal incident.

      • stk33

        @Difdi:disqus – from Wikipedia:

        “Private persons do not enjoy the same protections as the police in arresting others. While the powers to arrest are similar, police are entitled to mistake of fact in most cases, while citizens are held to a stricter liability. ”

        I’m pretty sure that finding a mistake in Jeff’s citizen arrest would be very exciting and easy game for the LE.

        @inquisitor – Because in order for something to become criminal, it has to be characterized as criminal not by you, but by DA, following filed complaint, and apparently in this this case either Jeff did not file it, or DA did not agree.

        • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

          I filed a sworn complaint with the DA in Lake City Florida and investigator Ryan Nydam uploaded the unedited video evidence of the crime to his computer. That was back in July Of 2013. Since then I have asked multiple times for an update and have heard nothing. So guess who will be getting multiple public records request Monday morning.

          • inquisitor

            If I remember correctly at the time of the incident and the cops showed up you had informed them that you wanted to press charges for theft and they also ignored you.

            So at that point should the DA ignore it, then it just stops cold and you have no recourse?

          • stk33

            Saying isn’t enough, you have to file complaint, which Jeff did.

          • inquisitor

            I am aware of this. You did not answer the question.
            Stop stating the obvious.
            Get your nose out of my asshole.
            Fucktard.

          • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

            “then it just stops cold and you have no recourse?”

            Unless I do a PRR for emails that reveal information that the DA,CCA and Columbia County Sheriff don’t want on PINAC. Stay tuned.

          • Fotaugrafee

            DO IT!!! :D

          • stk33

            Great, keep the pressure.

            I also noticed this piece when they advise that if they don’t want their emails become matter of FOIR, then don’t email but call. They kinda complained on too liberal Florida laws, and in the next phrase advised how to get around them. I’m pretty sure that if it was the other way around, LE would be able to spin that phrase alone into a conspiracy to commit crime. Maybe you can make something out of it too.

          • Tinker Bell

            Check the statute of limitations for the crime. You probably have at least a year or maybe 3 years. You might still be able to inact a citizens arrest on him.

          • DISHONERYOUROATH

            You’ve become an ambulance chaser. That’s why none of the attorneys you have talked to won’t take your case. I picked this name since you don’t honor your oath and you and Carlos Miller are so scared.

          • inquisitor

            Douche-baaaaaag.

          • inquisitor

            Yes, I fucked your mother.

          • Ryan French

            “I picked this name since you don’t honor your oath and you and Carlos Miller are so scared.”

            Then you might want to try correcting your username to “honor” not “honer,” moron.

            Also, you shouldn’t call out people for being scared when you don’t even use your real name.

            Pathetic.

          • Difdi

            What oath has Jeff sworn and then violated, out of curiosity?

          • Fotaugrafee

            It’s spelled “HONOR”, dumbass.

        • Difdi

          What mistake of law? The robbery by sudden snatching statute is very clearly written — The only person in the video making a mistake of law is the warden and there is no exemption for that in the statute:

          812.131 Robbery by sudden snatching.—(1) “Robbery
          by sudden snatching” means the taking of money or other property from
          the victim’s person, with intent to permanently or temporarily deprive
          the victim or the owner of the money or other property, when, in the
          course of the taking, the victim was or became aware of the taking. In
          order to satisfy this definition, it is not necessary to show that:
          (a) The offender used any amount of force beyond that effort necessary to obtain possession of the money or other property; or
          (b) There was any resistance offered by the victim to the offender or that there was injury to the victim’s person.
          (2)(a) If,
          in the course of committing a robbery by sudden snatching, the offender
          carried a firearm or other deadly weapon, the robbery by sudden
          snatching is a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s.
          775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
          (b) If,
          in the course of committing a robbery by sudden snatching, the offender
          carried no firearm or other deadly weapon, the robbery by sudden
          snatching is a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
          (3)(a) An
          act shall be deemed “in the course of committing a robbery by sudden
          snatching” if the act occurs in an attempt to commit robbery by sudden
          snatching or in fleeing after the attempt or commission.
          (b) An
          act shall be deemed “in the course of the taking” if the act occurs
          prior to, contemporaneous with, or subsequent to the taking of the
          property and if such act and the act of taking constitute a continuous
          series of acts or events.

      • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

        The DA is ignoring the crime despite my sworn testimony and unedited video evidence of the crime. For some reason none of the attorneys that I have talked to will touch this.

        • Tijuana Joe

          Sooner or later you realize they are part of the disease.

        • ThellraAK

          Most Lawyers are in it for the money, if you offer hourly, they’ll do it, but it’ll cost you a metric fuckton. However, if you have the time, read examples of lawsuits for your state, and write your own, name the DA as an accomplice in this as you were wronged and he made no attempt to right it, etc. Instead of or in Addition to monetary damages, you could request policy changes etc.

        • thinking outloud

          Just thinking out loud.

          Lawyers will always go after the money. So they sue the department, the supervisors and the city and allege that the policies were bad, the training was bad and the supervision was bad.

          I’ve always wondered what would happen it you did the opposite. Just sue the cop. Allege the policies were good, the training was good, the supervision was good and just this one individual was bad, intentionally and totally on his own.

          Would the insurance company deny coverage under a reservation of rights and maybe even deny a defense, making the cop hire his own lawyer? Probably depends on how they are insured.

          Would the cop hire his own lawyer and third party in the city alleging bad policy, supervision and training to try to get coverage? Would the cop send a “hammer letter” to force the city to settle or provide a defense? Or maybe even file a declaratory judgement action against the insurance company and city. What would the police union do (if there is one)?

        • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

          Some of what TheIlraAK says is correct, in that lawyers are in it for the money. A couple of points:

          Naming the DA as a party is likely a non-starter. DAs have prosecutorial immunity for discretionary calls, such as this one. If the DA has no other reason than he doesn’t want to prosecute the case, he’s covered and not liable.

          I also don’t see a good cause of action against the responding deputies. Same basic principle. They do not have to arrest, especially when they did not observe the offense and the suspect is positively identified.

          You do have a case against the warden, but the law is unclear as to the vicarious liability of the private employer of the warden.

          That’s the reason most lawyers are interested. I like you and what you do, support your position on this, but if I were a lawyer, I doubt that I would want to take the case.

          Doing it yourself is not a real good idea.

          • Thomas Covenant

            IMHO here is Jeff’s main problem CCA(the private prison company) is in the top ten contributors to the political arena in Columbia County and also one of it’s largest employers . I believe the DA not ADA Nydum?? is the cause of the quashing of Jeff’s complaint. I believe a well placed call to the DA’s
            office and in the trash went Jeff’ s complaint political corruption is rampant in Columbia County and cronyism is alive and well there also

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Could be, but there is still no recourse against the DA for declining to prosecute.

          • Difdi

            While the deputies can’t make an arrest for a misdemeanor they did not witness, the crime reported to them was a felony.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Correct. Note that I did not say that the officers could not make an arrest, just that they do not have to make an arrest.

            Had they made an arrest, it most likely would have been legal, but they are under no obligation to make that arrest.

            Also, in some states, officers may make arrests on some misdemeanors that were not committed in their presence.

          • Difdi

            Some states do require officers to make an arrest when a felony is reported to them — I believe Washington state does, but I don’t know about Florida.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Neither Washington nor Florida require an officer to make an arrest under those circumstances.

          • Thomas Covenant

            I am a retired IT person so a simple question to a lawyer. Could the
            a “writ of mandamus” be of value here to force the DA in the 7th Judicial District to charge Warden Dedos as request by Jeff and supported by overwhelming facts for the crime as specified.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Not a lawyer, but the answer is no. A court will not issue a mandamus to force an official to perform a discretionary act.

          • DesertRattt

            Has never happened, rarely happens, or only on TV? Wikipedia says mandamus is mostly OBE these days.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Mandamus has always been rare. And what jurisdiction is Wikipedia talking about? Federal? State?

        • Difdi

          There’s always trying for a Writ of Mandamus to get them to carry out their sworn duty…

    • Fotaugrafee

      The best thing here, IMHO, would be to have a 2nd party ALSO recording. Let them try to snatch his camera, pull out a set of cuffs & take that son of a bitch pig down to his knees yelling, “Stop resisting, STOP RESISTING” when they try to put forth any kind of effort to stop you from arresting them.

      • DesertRattt

        The second person recording is key, as I have seen Jeff do in the past. Makes the story much stronger if it comes to being assaulted or threatened. I have also taken to using a lanyard when using my cellphone or other recording device. It makes removing it from my possession that much harder.

  • ENTWAFFNUNGDERGESTAPO!

    “Look! I caught a bad guy!” said no one at DHS. Ever.

    afnmfh

  • inquisitor

    Mindblowing that this lady from child protective services does not pursue the false reporting by an anonymous person with the same vigor she pursued a totally responsible and innocent parent and his family.

    Something deeply wrong there.

    And I would says she doesn’t give a shit because the more false calls, then the more she works, then the more she justifies her job and continues to make a salary.
    Just like the rest of these government officials and those in law enforcement.

    It is a mafia and racketeering.

    • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

      You are exactly correct! It’s all about job security and they have the perfect alibi to hide behind. It’s amazing how many families have been investigated by DCF because of these anonymous phone calls even when it’s obvious that the call was made with malicious intent.These hot lines are rampant with abuse.

      • inquisitor

        Thanks for chiming in Jeff.

        Who knows how many families or lives have been ruined because of the abuses by these people. Sure they are probably many situations where their intervention may have been justified and truly for the safety of children.

        If I were still living in Florida I would surely make what you and PINAC are doing my cause as well.
        Being from Fort Lauderdale, I can remember a time in Florida when you could just pull up alongside the road and shoot cans with a shotgun with no hassles and a lot more freedoms.
        I am also intimately aware of police corruption.

        I can’t speak for you, but had it been me under those circumstances where someone is interviewing and screwing around with me concerning my children, that would be close to that line one simply does not cross and may drive me beyond the point of no return.
        I admire your ability to remain calm, logical, and clear-thinking during these incidences and am grateful for your recording them and sharing them with the public.

        • inquisitor

          I will also add how disturbing it was when you attempted to find out how to prevent any more false reports being made against you to protect yourself and your family and this woman could give you nothing other than assurances that you would simply be investigated again.

          You have got to be kidding me?

          • stk33

            There’s nothing unusual. Whenever there’s complaint, they do have to investigate. She said that if it was about the same issue again, then she would be able to ignore it, but if it’s about different matter, then she can’t. It’s reasonable.

          • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

            Nothing unusual? The complaint against me was simply that I owned guns and I shoot BB guns with my kids. Both of those activities are perfectly legal yet the complaint was enough to generate an investigation. Part of the investigation was to interrogate my kids at school without mine or my wives knowledge. Remember, there were no allegations of abuse or neglect. Also after my attorney Eric J Friday got involved there was an internal DCF investigation which resulted in termination of the call screener.

            How is that not unusual? How is that reasonable?

          • stk33

            Unusual and reasonable is that they react to every complaint.

            Regarding how exactly they react, of course we all wish that they made determination of whether the matter of complaint is legal, and tell the caller “thanks for your call, what you mentioned is not illegal, nothing for us to do”. But that’s not how LE acts. In many, many cases they have to “investigate” each and every complaint, and it’s kind of grey area if that investigation is already violation or not. Read about CJ Grisham’s arrest, for example. Maybe part of this is that the 911 operator is not trusted to make determinations, so they send someone to “investigate” on each and every “complaint”, and 10 times so if it’s anything about the kids, that they “take seriously”. In this case, you mentioned shooting BB gun with the kids. Google “kid arrested for shooting bb gun” and you will see – and they all were arrested, not just investigated. Without going into details whether this was right or wrong, LE has enough precedent to support their decision to investigate.

            Regarding interview at school – see http://kidjacked.com/legal/handbook.asp and note the piece “when conducted on private property ” – which the school is not. Also see this: http://www.dshs.wa.gov/pdf/publications/22-484.pdf, top of page 4 (don’t know if it applies in FL). You have to instruct your children to never talk to any LE regardless of the level of intimidation, otherwise it’s consensual.

            The way that woman sounded on the phone, sounded like she was more on your side than not; being a government bureaucrat, she can’t go against her instructions and procedures, but I think she gave a hint that where she can, she will.

          • inquisitor

            It did not “sound” like she was more on Jeff’s side than not.
            And I sensed no “hint” that where she can, she will.
            And her instructions and procedures encroaching on my rights will never be interpreted as justified in my opinion.

          • Boomer

            Inquis – to borrow from a song of my youth – “beware of the handshake, that hides a snake, beware of the pat on the back, it just might hold you back, smiling faces, sometimes, they don’t tell the truth.”

            The most dangerous think Jeff could do was to trust anyone who showed up to talk to his kids without his knowledge.

            And, on a personal note, she sure does use the phrase “you know” a lot when she talks. Just a personal irritant.

          • inquisitor

            I personally can’t stand to hear someone repeat the phrase…”you know”.

          • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

            Yeah, I recall that story of the kids being arrested for shooting BB guns. My kids don’t shoot BB guns unless it’s under my supervision with the proper safety gear.
            You give good advice about instructing my kids not to talk to any LE. I have done this with my kids. However as we we all know thats easier said then done especially for a kid.
            As far as gov agents go I concede that Colleen was reasonable. She sure was pissed off when I sent her a link to the YT video though. So I think any hint of helping me have gone out the window.
            LOL!

          • stk33

            Expecting help from her would probably be too much, but expecting her to be reluctant rather than aggressive is probably reasonable. Though the real decisions are probably made not by her but by her supervisor.

            Re kids. My at-work experience tells that telling someone to do X and receiving a nod is nothing. Have to do a drill. So I did play a game with my kid where he had to withstand me pretending to be an officer and trying to scare him. He won.

          • inquisitor

            Do you have that pissed off reaction recorded as well?

          • inquisitor

            I heard what she said…and, no…it is not reasonable…fucktard

          • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

            I agree, it is an outrage! What happens to families who don’t have the resources that I have.

          • inquisitor

            Yes it was purposeful.
            It was an addendum to my previous post.
            Intelligence, or your implication of a lack thereof, had nothing to do with it.

        • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

          Typically when a family is suddenly investigated by DCF without just cause it involves shame and embarrassment. DCF can rely on families being shamed into silence therefore DCF need not worry themselves with exposure or legal ramifications for their actions. The main reason I recorded EVERYTHING was to protect myself and my family. But I also want to show others that they should record everything to protect themselves. Put it on youtube and expose the corruption instead of hiding it.

      • stk33

        > It’s all about job security

        Plus creating new business for affiliated “services”. Often this de-facto sales effort is what it boils down to.

      • THP

        Perhaps FOIA DCF and see how they handle clearly false tips or how many warrants of any kind are issued based solely on anonymous tips.

    • n4zhg

      Did you know the feds pay these agencies money for every child they steal and put into the system?

  • JWE

    Hey Jeff; Since this is a Quasi Federal agency, using Federal money’s. You should file a federal ‘Freedom of Information Request as well. Also how goes your request with the Florid Dept of Corrections?

    • JWE

      Locations of the Centers from http://publicintelligence.net/fusion-centers/

      Florida Florida Fusion Center P.O. Box 1489 Tallahassee, FL 32302 2331 Phillips Road Tallahassee, FL 32308 (850) 410-7645 floridafusioncenter@fdle.state.fl.us

      Florida Miami Dade Fusion Center

      11200 NW 20th St Doral, FL 33172 (305) 470-3880 ioc@mdpd.com

      Florida Central Florida Intelligence Exchange (CFIX) PO Box 608423 Orlando, Florida 32860 6643 Hazeltine National Drive Orlando, FL 32860 ctic@fdle.state.fl.us

      • JWE

        Sorry messed up the spacing, here it is again.

        Florida Florida Fusion Center P.O. Box 1489 Tallahassee, FL 32302

        2331 Phillips Road Tallahassee, FL 32308 (850) 410-7645
        floridafusioncenter@fdle.state.fl.us

        Florida Miami Dade Fusion Center

        11200 NW 20th St Doral, FL 33172

        (305) 470-3880

        ioc@mdpd.com

        Florida
        Central Florida Intelligence Exchange (CFIX) PO Box 608423
        Orlando, Florida 32860

        6643 Hazeltine National Drive Orlando, FL 32860

        ctic@fdle.state.fl.us

        • Carlos_Miller
          • inquisitor

            “Carlos bin Laden”
            Last seen fully armed with a Nikon and a tripod.
            Treat as hostile. Proceed with caution.

          • Carlos_Miller

            Canon. Not Nikon.

          • inquisitor

            My bad. I did not read the intelligence report as to your preferred automatic lethal weapon of choice.

          • ENTWAFFNUNGDERGESTAPO!

            he’s gotta CANNON!

            everyone run!

          • JWE

            Carlos – What I find interesting on old alert id it described you as a “Miami multimedia journalist” yet at your trial Maj. Nancy Perez contended you were not a real “journalist.”

            Sounds like someone may have lied under oath. as they recognized as a journalist, in the alert.

      • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

        I would like to see PINAC readers go out and conduct 1st Amendment test on these Fusion Center locations. If you live near one of the fusion centers get out your camera and video/photograph it. I was thinking about taking a road trip and filming every single one of them.

        • JWE

          Don’t want to get arrested, sorry Jeff.

          • inquisitor

            Then stay home with your momma.

        • JWE

          I would like to but my camera was stolen, buy a dishonest home heath aid, and I only have an old flip phone, that is very limited in what it can record.

          • Difdi

            In other words, if they steal it and you never see it again, it’s not a major financial loss!

          • JWE

            It is when you are disabled and on a fixed income.

  • Glenn

    This is the first I’ve heard of the Fusion Centers. They deserve more coverage.

    As to the DCF, God Bless you, Jeff. I don’t have the temperament to handle it as well as you did. The whole system is disgusting. They’ve rigged the system so no one bears responsibility when there are anonymous accusations. It’s uncivil.

  • stk33

    “Working a case on Jeff Grey” – what does that mean exactly?

    • inquisitor

      The great part is that there is no “exactly”.

      You get to make up the meaning from its inception and you ge