Florida Cops Pry into Man’s Records more than 200 Times because he Refuses to Stop Recording them

Jeff Gray Coral Gables
Jeff Gray walks away from a group of Coral Gables police officers in October 2013, which resulted in them running his name through the DAVID system. The following day, Gray was arrested by Brevard County sheriff’s for video recording them, including one deputy who already knew he had been detained by Gables cops a day earlier, thanks to DAVID. Photo by Carlos Miller


After several years of auditing police departments across Florida to determine whether their officers uphold the First Amendment and the law of the land, Photography Is Not A Crime’s Jeff Gray has had his driver’s license and vehicle tag information searched by police well over 200 times.

Gray’s request for the record of who accessed his information on the state-operated Driver and Vehicle Information Database (DAVID) turned up police officer after police officer running Gray’s vehicle plate and driver’s license.

PINAC is now working to cross-check the dates of when Gray’s records were run against the times when Gray conducted First Amendment audits. It’s safe to say that few people would be surprised to learn that officers ran Gray’s record in the DAVID system simply because Gray was recording video in public.

On October 22, 2013, Gray, along with PINAC Publisher Carlos Miller and public records guru Joel Chandler, were detained by Coral Gables police after making a public records request as you can see in the above photo. The following day, Gray was arrested by Brevard County deputies for recording a traffic stop.

During the arrest, one of the deputies mentioned that Gray had been detained by Coral Gables a day earlier – automatically branding him a troublemaker – when he hadn’t broken the law in either case. Both dates are documented in the report Gray obtained last week along with the corresponding agencies.

The Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles is in charge of the system, but employees from local, state and federal agencies across the state can access the information. The system holds not only people’s license records, but social security information, addresses, photos, marital status, and even bank information.

Unsurprisingly, there have been multiple reports of officers abusing the DAVID system for a variety of reasons, including an employee from the Broward County Clerk’s office who caught stealing social security numbers from the DAVID system to commit identity theft. WFTV News reported that 155 police agencies self-reported abuse of the system dating back to January 2013.

Former Seminole County deputy William Santiago-Gines was stripped of his law enforcement certification after accessing information on more than 125 people, including celebrities, co-workers and ex-girlfriends. Former Martin County Sheriff’s Office Deputy Salvatore Rastrelli, refers to DAVID as “Facebook for cops” (as if they’re not busy enough stalking our real Facebook pages).

After state trooper Donna Watts pulled over a Miami police officer for speeding and handcuffed him, dozens of officers looked up Watts’ private information. Watts filed a federal lawsuit in December 2012 against more than 100 officers and agencies, alleging 88 law enforcers from 25 agencies viewed her private information more than 200 times.

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Florida resident and government gadfly Jeff Frazier, who runs the site Seminole Watch, has also filed a lawsuit regarding misuse of DAVID. Frazier filed suit after Sgt. Timothy Fekany of the Orange County Sheriff’s Office accessed Frazier’s records without a legitimate purpose, which Fekany admitted. Now Orange County is spending taxpayer dollars to defend Fekany, who faces a fine of $2,500.

While anyone caught abusing the system can lose access to it or face criminal charge, in a majority of cases DAVID abusers are merely given a reprimand or counseling. If even that.

To obtain a report on who has accessed your records, you can send your request to: DAVIDPublicRecordRequest@flhsmv.gov . Your request should include your name, the tag or driver’s license number as well as a timeframe for the search. The request could be free, or, if you’re Jeff Gray with over 200 instances of record access to pull up, cost over $90.


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  • Bill Larson

    The main question I have is why this would have taken 4.75 hours to produce. It should have taken less than 5 minutes. I think what you do now is to go to the department and request they reproduce the steps required for the search in your presence and verify if it actually took 4.75 hours. I am betting it didn’t.

    • A Default

      5 minutes to produce, 4.7 hours to go through in detail to remove anything really incriminating.

    • James M Morriss

      Thus began the Florida rabbbit hole. FOIA requests about FOIA requests about FOIA requests about …..
      I can just imagine the first reports
      “South Florida’s CBS 4 News at six. All law enfocement computers in the Maiami-Dade area groung to a halt today, all because of a Freedom Of information Act request from one man….”
      A guy can dream can’t he?

    • inquisitor

      I agree…something is amiss.

  • A Default

    A couple of typos to correct, walks awash from should be walks away from, who already he had should be who already had.

    No suprise at all that cops routinely target people who are guilty of failure to respect a cop’s every whim.

  • Tom G

    Proof positive, the enforcers do not like being watched. VERY good job Jeff.

  • Raylan Givens

    It’s not uncommon to have many inquiries. I used to drive through not so desirable motel parking lots and run plates. Caught several wanted felons using this tactic. I would usually run the plates and driver information of vehicles I was following. Most of my inquiries were all done from the road with the aid of the dispatcher or communication center.

    However, seeing multiple inquires by the same officer(s) within the same agencies is quite alarming.

    Most, if not all of Jeff’s inquiries were done by the officer themselves while accessing the data directly either from the laptop in the cruiser or while at the desk in the office. Something is definitely amiss here and there’s no doubt as it concerns Jeff, abuse and access of his personal information is taking place.

    • inquisitor

      “Something is definitely amiss here and there’s no doubt as it concerns
      Jeff, abuse and access of his personal information is taking place.”

      Oh yes, yes indeedy.

      • Raylan Givens

        Based merely on the information contained within this document, Jeff needs to dig much deeper into this. If it were me, I would start with an FOIA filing of myself with the FBI and Homeland Security.

        I’ll bet a dozen doughnuts there are much more information, documents and other interesting items and opinions there than he may realize, and it will certainly help with bringing a case to light. Not sure if he’s tried to fly lately, but you have to wonder if they’ve escalated his 1st Amendment audit(s) to the level of being placed on a no fly list.

        • Charlie

          It seems to me that one of the last barriers to a complete police state is the ability to access records. This right shouldn’t be taken for granted. In my ‘democracy’ the process has become more difficult and time frames for return of information is much longer than in Florida. Perhaps a database of cops needs to be developed, with known abuses recorded and accessible to the public. A citizen media centre could also house videos of corrupt cops (youtube basically holds that database now – do you trust google?). Food for thought

          • dickgosinya48

            And their address , phone number, dob, relatives, etc.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

    Jeff, have you matched up the time stamped searches in DAVID with the times you were out testing 1st amendment actions? I’m familiar with all of your videos, but some of these appear to be outside of those times.

    Helpful person, I just noticed the date and removed that question. BTW, great job doing what you did.

    • Helpful Person

      Wrong year, that was from 2013 and appears related to an event that also involved other cops:

      Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office
      6/22/2013 14:18

      Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office
      6/22/2013 14:19

      Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office
      James Micheal Watson
      6/22/2013 14:45

      • A Default

        From your latest spreadsheet it is

        Columbia County Sheriff’s Office for the Darrell Clay requests and

        USDA National Forest Service, Tallahassee

        Investigations Unit

        for the James Watson request

  • Helpful Person

    I emailed Jeff an Excel spreadsheet version of his PDF file sorted by date of the DAVID request.

    • Helpful Person

      BTW, there were exactly 298 entries in the DAVID access list. Many appeared to be duplicates or artifacts of how DAVID works unless there is reason to believe someone kept sending the identical request multiple times within the same minute.

  • Helpful Person

    Might as well just put it on Google Drive and share the spreadsheet with the rest of you:


    I stripped off everything but the DAVID requests, you’ll have to cross reference the original PDF to see the agency contact information.

    • Helpful Person

      I made a mistake, the first column of the spreadsheet isn’t correct, please ignore it. I’ll try to produce an updated copy.

  • Helpful Person

    New link with first column correct, just made a single column with date that can be sorted on, left original text date/timestamp in


  • borderraven
  • James M Morriss

    Jeff Perhaps they can demonstrate how this took 4 hours to compile? Someone reading that slow should not be holding any kind of office job. You don’t normally include lunch-hour in the job. Glad they didn’t start on it at quitting time, it might have taken 16 hours to complete.

    Carlos, Are you sure you want this guy helping you? He seems to attract a lot of police interest. He should take a few pointers from you, you never seem to get noticed by the authorities. I guess the cops just like you.

    • inquisitor

      I don’t believe Carlos does as many 1st and 2nd amendment tests in the same manner as Jeff.
      And wouldn’t this be the exact kind of person Carlos would want?
      And I don’t think the cops liked Carlos very much while they were beating him,

    • BTDey

      Are you serious? Have you not seen the video of Carlos’ arrest? Carlos hired Jeff because of the work Jeff was doing. Do you even know who the Epic Old Guy is?

    • Ryan French

      Are you new here? If I’m not mistaken, Carlos has been arrested two or three times and has had agencies talk about him via E-mail and pretty much every cop board.

  • inquisitor

    What an incredibly informative article and expose’ this is!!!

    All that investigating just for legally taking pictures.
    Something is seriously wrong with law enforcement in America.
    All that “baiting” of the police creates a long history.

    Notice the final tidbit on the report…
    “Any redactions on this report have been at the request of the inquiring agency per section 119.071(2)(c), Florida Statutes. DHSMV is not at liberty to discuss this further.”

    90 bucks???!!!
    There should be a flat fee of ten to twenty dollars at most, otherwise it is just robbery.

    So is it possible to score $2,500 for every violation concerning DAVID?
    Looks like it could be a serious payday should that be the case.

    • Captain Quiznos

      “So is it possible to score $2,500 for every violation concerning DAVID?”
      Sure as fuck beats begging for change in the hot sun on the corner of 4th and Broadway.

    • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

      Jeff needs to have his Lawyer file a lawsuit on this. His kids will have their college paid for. Do it Jeff!

  • Tijuana Joe

    Stupid question: Why would the fact that he does not have a warrant be apparent
    after 2 or 3 rather than 200 requests? Sounds like a massive waste of energy.

    • A Default

      Different agencies made the request at different times over a 4 year period. Officer Billy Club of the City of Smellyshoes is not likely to know in August 2013 that Officer Taze M Good made a similar request 6 months prior.

      The real question is why a cop feels compelled to do a search regarding someone who is merely out in public engaging in a lawful activity like photography?

  • Christopher Shepard

    Jeff, if DAVID is Facebook for Cops, you are a superstar!

  • John Smith

    I sincerely hope you have contacted NEW TIMES in Dade County regarding this situation. Given the link to the Coral Gables P.D. I believe there would definitely be some interest – and they know how to dig deep for information for the stories they feature.
    Good luck and stay safe Jeff!

    • inquisitor

      I always liked New Times.

      • Tom G

        You want to be alone with New Times in a room then?

        • inquisitor

          Why would I need that when I have your mom right here bobbing on the end of my shaft.
          Funny, every time I make her cum…she screams out your name.
          Close family…I guess.

  • cj

    Jeff and carlos..call chip manders law firm in dade city,Fl…He sues agencies all the time…Mander law firm!!

  • Jeffrey Quave

    fight the good fight my brother.

  • discarted

    Like Jeff, I made a FOIA request with LAPD requesting how many times their officers have accessed my personal info . However, LAPD refused my request saying they’re “private, investigatory files”. So what is LAPD trying to hide?

    • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

      Don’t make the request through LAPD. Go to the state’s CJIS agency. I think in California it is the state AG’s Office, but I’m not sure.

      If that doesn’t work, try an FOIA with the FBI.

  • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

    Jeff, I love what you are doing, but some of this is your own fault. Unless there is something that I am not aware of in Florida, you do not have to give them your name and date of birth. While Florida is a stop and ID state, the officer has to have reasonable suspicion that you are committing a crime to compel you to ID.

    • dickgosinya48

      Spoken like a true apologist, blame the victim.

      • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

        You misunderstand the purpose of my post.

        If an officer makes a stop and Jeff provides that information, the officer is going to run it. Period. That’s what they are trained to do, and the department will back them up on it.

        If, on the other hand, you force them to articulate a grounds for the stop, then you can take that forward, because a police admin really doesn’t like being hung out to dry.

        • Carlos_Miller

          A lot of those are from calling in his license plate.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

            That’s true, but unless Florida has a stricter standard, there is no expectation of privacy in a vehicle license plate. Officers can run those whenever they want.

          • rust

            WRONG. They can only run these when there is a VALID REASON. Ass munch.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

            Do you have any legal authority to support that? Because there is plenty on my side.

            United States v. Wilcox, 415 Fed. Appx. 990 (11th Cir. 2011) (defendant did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in plainly visible license plate required by Georgia law and that the officers’ random check did not violate the Fourth Amendment)

            I can find plenty more, if you want.

          • Carlos_Miller

            It’s not about expectation of privacy. It’s about abusing a system that serves a legitimate purpose. They don’t like Jeff because he stands up for his rights, so they’re going to do their best to dig up shit on him in the hopes they will find something.

            That’s cool. They can do that. But we’re going to start doing the same to them with public records requests, eventually building up a database of every cop in this state as well as the rest of the U.S. where we will have all their info that is available through public records available online.

          • dickgosinya48

            Don’t bother using common sense. Lawyers and cops couldn’t even define the concept.

          • G

            Its funny how cops use a good law, policy, and/or procedure for a bad purpose.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

            I agree on the DL checks by name & DOB. Running the vehicle plate isn’t an abuse. I also understand why Jeff may prefer to provide his name, and don’t have a problem with that either. I would prefer that he not do so, but I’m not the guy with his butt on the line either.

            I think the database idea is a good one.

          • Gregor

            In Wilcox, a tag reader initiated an alert, stating the license plate was expired. The plate also did not belong to the car to which it was affixed. The 11th Circuit’s ruling also relied on New York Vs. Class. In that opinion, Justice O’Connor used three factors in determining if the search was justified. The last being probable cause.
            So, just randomly running a license plate on a whim is still unconstitutional under Wilcox.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

            You misread Class. J. O’Connor stated that there was no problem in moving the papers to see the VIN plate as there was no expectation of privacy. You are confusing the seizure of the gun with the VIN plate.

            Here are some more:

            “Contrary to appellant’s contention, a police officer does not need to possess reasonable suspicion to conduct a random check of a license plate.” State v. Rendina, No. 2001-L-199, 2002 WL 1489554 (Ohio App. 2002).

            “Here the visual inspection of defendant’s motor vehicle license plate and the ensuing computer check, did not constitute a search and seizure subject to constitutional protection.” State v. Myrick, 659 A.2d 976, 979 (N.J. Super. Ct. Law Div. 1995).

            “We conclude that an individual has no privacy interest in his or her license plates, and that a random license plate check does not constitute a “search” or “seizure” within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment.” City of Horicon v. Albert, 604 N.W.2d 35 (Wis. Ct. App. 1999). BTW, this opinion cited Class in the same way I read it, i.e., the opposite of the result you arrived at.

            “A motorist has no privacy interest in her license plate number.” Olabisiomotosho v. City of Houston, 185 F.3d 521, 529 (5th Cir. 1999).

            “Sparks essentially argues that Officer Dean should not have been allowed to check his license plate without reasonable suspicion. . . Consequently, we find that Officer Dean was justified in checking Sparks’ license plates.” United States v. Sparks, 37 Fed. Appx. 826, 829 (8th Cir. 2002) (internal citations ommited).

            I could keep going, but I’m not going to list all 389 cases on Westlaw.

        • dickgosinya48

          Or he can be arrested , without due cause , inconvenience himself and his family, and the same thing will happen anyway. It’s much more effective to willingly give information to idiots and let their actions put a noose around their own necks. He made the smart play here. Retards that are hired to enforce the laws and possibly break them , regardless of their departments support, do a much better job of exposing their true objectives than anything Jeff could do. It makes LEO douchebags look a lot worse for unnecessarily investigating someone that hasn’t been arrested than someone who has. Unless Jeff just wants to sue for unlawful arrest and detention, which has little effect on changing policy, his time is better served outside of jail. If you aren’t subscribed to HONORYOUROATH on Youtube, you should be. He’s got a fair amount of experience in dealing with these idiots and the approach he takes to confrontation seems to be organic in nature.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

            I’m well aware of Jeff’s good work. We have communicated a number of times on email, and Jeff knows that I have the utmost respect for what he does.

          • dickgosinya48

            “Jeff, I love what you are doing, but some of this is your own fault.”

            Uh huh. I hope you’re not full of any other sage advice. Is that what you used to tell people when you beat the hell out of them or when you watched your buddies do it. ” You brought this on yourself!”

          • G

            Is that what ex-cop tells to people who were victims of rape?

          • dickgosinya48

            Probably. I’m sure he could rationalize how the victim’s passive actions and impropriety could justify the actions of the rapist.

    • rust

      I figured you would stop sucking Enforcer dick long enough to say it’s Jeff’s fault for doing nothing wrong. Dipshit apologist.

    • Guest

      I guess he should cover up the tag on his car, right genius?

    • Guest

      To pull a tool from your bag of nonsense, here you to.

      I suppose he should cover the tag on his car, right genius?

    • Guest

      To pull a tool from your bag of nonsense. Apparently he is supposed to cover up his tag.

    • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

      ECLS, as I am examining the info contained in my DAVID results I have noticed that the majority of cases where my DAVID info has been accessed it wasn’t as result of actual contact with LEO’s. Take a look at the number of times my info was accessed by some one from the Clay County Sheriff’s Office. I can only recall a single time where i was approached and questioned by a CCSO Deputy back in 2012.In that encounter I refused to ID.Yet my DAVID info has been accessed numerous times by CCSO personnel dating back to 2011 when I started my activism through 2013. Many of the spikes where there is access to my DAVID info are within a 24 hour period after I published a video to my YT channel. Just a couple of examples are Green Cove Springs and Neptune Beach. In GCS my data was accessed following the publishing of a video of a positive encounter with a GCS Officer. So it seems these GCS personnel were accessing my Data simply out of curiosity because I had published a video.
      In Neptune Beach Detective Scott Parker started accessing my info after I published a video of the Neptune Beach PD denying me access to non exempt public records.
      As I am examining the info in the report I am finding more examples where my DAVID information was accessed following the release of a video and where I wasn’t even present.
      What is your opinion about these scenarios?

      • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

        Unless they are looking at a possible criminal offense, I don’t see that it is appropriate, although I don’t have sufficient knowledge of Florida’s regulations to know if it was a violation.

        The only one I can see them looking at would be where the private prison official grabbed your camera, they would need to run you to confirm address, see if there would be credibility issues in court, etc.

        Did you file an IA complaint in any of these?

  • Charlie

    Andrew, Paragraph 5 should word ‘hadn’t broken’, not ‘hasn’t breaking’

  • JdL

    Jeff, you look like a plenty tough hombre! In contrast, notice that at least five cops have their hands over their genitals, clearly indicating heightened fear. This, though they all have guns and badges. What a bunch of pansies!

  • dravo1

    Has anyone tried doing an FOI against DAVID requesting information on any sharing of your ‘hit’ history with DHS? I can’t see DHS passing up an opportunity like this. Being able to see patterns of hits for the same individual in several states would likely trigger an investigative ‘flag’.

  • Charlie

    Jeff Gray: a gentleman, leader and inspiration.

  • Guest

    This is a comment from inquisitor below:

    “Why would I need that when I have your mom right here bobbing
    on the end of my shaft.

    Funny, every time I make her cum…she screams out
    your name.

    Close family…I guess.”

    What will it take to block this scumbag? We’re all for free speech but seriously this school-boy stuff is blocking up the comments section more and more. What’s your position on blocking?

    • Fotaugrafee

      I’m guessing his position is “Shut the fuck up & deal with it like a big boy”.

      • Guest

        Do you know what Carlos thinks, do you? How about you be a man and represent your own opinions rather than shoving them into someone else’s mouth. Grow up yourself. Or keep defending jerks if that makes you feel good.

        • Fotaugrafee

          You should take Inquisitor’s advice. In the meantime, since you have such a problem with his language, here’s a Hurt Feelings report for you.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-Lawyer

            Well, I see that Fotau has been at the cooking Sherry again….LOL

          • Fotaugrafee

            I prefer vodka. :p

        • Fotaugrafee

          Here’s a Hurt Feelings Report, fill it out & submit to the nearest Waaah-mbulance.

        • Fotaugrafee

          Here’s a Hurt Feelings Report for you. My suggestion is to fill it out & submit it to the nearest Waaaah-mbulance as soon as possible to avoid further hurt feelings.

        • Fotaugrafee

          Here’s a Hurt Feelings Report for you. I suggest you fill it out & return it to the nearest Waaaaah-mbulance as soon as possible to prevent further hurt feelings.

    • Carlos_Miller

      I don’t know if there is a way to block people on Disqus but I would recommend just ignoring him. I really don’t want to be put in a position where I am expected to moderate comments unless it’s making death threats, posting private info or making libelous statements.

      • dickgosinya48

        Thank you.

      • Guest

        I understand. The only thing I cared about was not wasting time scrolling through crap. Thanks for the reply.

        • inquisitor

          Perhaps you should include the inappropriate comment that I was
          responding to in my defense which you conveniently left out while you
          posted far away from the actual comments.

          Me thinks you is trying to pull a fast one here.
          Because it is only a rare scumbag on here that even attempts to suggest to Carlos to have a person a banned.
          And if you were truly interested in that, then you would call for the
          banning of the person I responded to…which in all likelihood…was
          also you.
          But, sure, blame the victim…rather than the offender.

          And disqus allows you to visit your own page and just see your comments and those responding to you, so there is no need for you to have to scroll through anything.

    • inquisitor

      Perhaps you should include the inappropriate comment that I was responding to in my defense which you conveniently left out while you posted far away from the actual comments.

      Me thinks you is trying to pull a fast one here.
      Because it is only a rare scumbag on here that even attempts to suggest to Carlos to have a person a banned.
      And if you were truly interested in that, then you would call for the banning of the person I responded to…which in all likelihood…was also you.

  • Ian Battles

    This is evidence of a blatant conspiracy to deprive Mr. Gray of his rights.

    He has never been convicted of a single crime! By American law, he is an innocent citizen!

    Why are so many resources being squandered “investigating” a man who has broken no laws?

  • Tim Osmond

    I dont know if you read this Jeff, I hope you do.

    Out here in Kalifornia, you can be terminated for unlawfully accessing NCIC, DOJ, CLETS information. Every use is logged and recorded and randomly audited. I would read the Florida penal code and see what the potential fine is for illegal access, then document the person who accessed the DAVID system without legal justification as in a vehicle stop of ped check or an arrest. So eliminate the valid contacts, then document the agency and deputy/officer involved and his entire, chain of command all they up to the sheriff and chief.
    . THEN you file a CIVIL claim case for specified damages. Have them served at work with a summons, if they FTA, you win. Always go for the deep pockets of an agency, that’s the only way policy is changed. The city and or county, when faced with the potential HUGE loss will attempt to settle for maybe 1/4 of the suit amount. You can settle OR push forward, a settlement could fund your endeavors Mr. Gray. Take care, a lone voice in a sea of institutionalized corruption.

  • Ryan French

    Just a tip, many agencies have in-house databases that contain free-form information on people that aren’t allowed on NCIC or the state equivalent system.

    Effectively they can put anything they want in the record and it’s not audited by state agencies. You should be including these databases in your public records requests as well.

    How do I know such database exists in some agencies? I had the pleasure of inputting some of the data in them.

  • Ed

    Well, what did you think driver’s licenses were for?

  • stupidamerkin

    and it all still remains business as usual as long as enough hale Mary’s offered. So called “law enforcement” is exactly that. ENFORCEMENT through the process of enFORCEment and violence, is totally out of control and moving fast, fast, fast.

  • darrenlobo

    Now you know why we need to 1. end policing as we know it & 2. make privacy as important as any other right. Only if they can gather & access info on us can they move against us.

  • Greg PJR

    I want to say that I support every effort to make it illegal to try an detain and or prosecute, harrass, discriminate against anyone who films police officers in public or any other in public. If they can do it to us with their cameras all over the place, the cameras in their squad cars, taking our pictures at the police station, publishing those pictures to the general public, releasing our names for arrests before we have been found guilty then we should be able to do the same. They are public employees and as such do not have the right to privacy.

  • Officer Six Pack

    You PINAC losers are fucking pathetic DBags …lol. Fucking nerds. Film me all you want….follow me long enough and you will most likely get a good video of me porking your wife. You know she has a thing for cops, regardless of what she tells you. I wish I had a dollar for every housewife out on their “Girls Night Out” that blew me behind a bar, restaurant or parking lot while your shitty wedding ring was touching my cock and her cell phone was vibrating with you wondering where she was at. You just keep filming buddy….ill take care of the other stuff your slacking on.

  • Dale Fletcher

    Hey guy, I work for a municipal government and I take offense to your comment. Not all public employees are bad so please dont lump us all together. Some of us are actually trying to make a difference. My city tries to be as transparent as possible and we have a firm policy on how to handle public records requests quickly and accurately. Our police department has a policy and is trained on the issue of video recording which is citizen friendly. If you treat every government employee like shit then it makes it hard for the decent ones to stay and effect change in government.

  • inquisitor

    Which city and which police department are you referring to in such glowing and flattering terms?

  • Mike Custalow

    Then become part of the solution, instead of sticking up for your corrupt buddies/coworkers.

  • Dale Fletcher

    I’ll keep that to myself. My point is there are plenty of government employees that agree with the points made on PINAC and actually do care about the Constitution. Case in point the Georgia Sergeant in Jeff Gray encountered on June 25th (http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/06/25/georgia-deputy-surprises-us-respecting-constitution/). To make the blanket statement that every government employee had “nothing but contempt for citizens and resent their jobs and employers” is an untrue and unfair statement. I would not argue if you said “a lot, many, or even most” do, but it needs to be understood there are some out there that do their job well and respect the citizens and uphold their oath. We need more of those people in government positions if we are going to change things for the better.

  • inquisitor

    “I’ll keep that to myself.”

    He, he, he…yeah…thought so…quite predictable.

    You were the one that brought it up into the discussion so you were not keeping it to yourself but making it relevant while using it to bolster your assertions.

    “Some of us are actually trying to make a difference. My city tries to
    be as transparent as possible and we have a firm policy on how to
    handle public records requests quickly and accurately. Our police
    department has a policy and is trained on the issue of video recording
    which is citizen friendly. If you treat every government employee like
    shit then it makes it hard for the decent ones to stay and effect change
    in government.”

    You should hit the “edit” button and delete the above part of your post.

    Seeing how for no logical reason you choose to keep the name of an entire city and a police department some kind of secret after you talk it up. If it is as true as you make it out to be, then one would be more than willing to provide that information while you act all defensive and insulted.

    So now that you have impressed me as someone who is full of shit, the rest of your posts and opinions are lost on me as I have no interest and choose to ignore you.
    You are dismissed from my presence.
    Go forth now and spew vomit.

  • Mike Custalow

    Wow a cop did his job, make him president. This makes it ok for the THOUSANDS of other psychopaths with a badge because one of them did what they were actually supposed to. It’s a sad state we live in when we have to celebrate that a public servant does his job correctly. SMH and the link you posted is bunk.

  • discarted

    But Sgt Jeff Gray has the balls to wear a uniform and speak his beliefs. You hide behind the internet.

  • Charlie

    You are 100% correct. And I think most rational PINAC readers appreciate what you’re saying and more importantly, doing.

  • c0wgirlfr0mhell

    If there are people like that,it is the exception, not the norm.

  • Dale Fletcher

    Since I am not speaking on behalf of my employeer, but me personally I choose to keep it to myself. Funny how so many people are so concerned about privacy, yet want to violate others right to privacy. If I was speaking in my official capacity I would certainly say so but I am not, I am speaking personally.

    As for your comments it shows you are part of the problem, not the solution. Time to grow up.

  • Brian Dobbs

    im sure dale doesnt want you to know where he works… because extremists like yourself are mostly psychotic and nobody likes psychos knowing their personal info. just by your response you can tell you have serious issues unrelated to this post.

  • inquisitor

    No one is violating your privacy, but putting you to task by requesting you to back up what you claim with facts and pertinent details to substantiate your claims.
    You have every right not to do so, but it does diminish your credibility.
    Especially when you attempt to designate an entire city and an entire police department as…private.

    You now attempt to reframe what you stated by saying you were only speaking personally.
    But you weren’t.
    You spoke in defense of your entire city, municipality, its workers and its police department.
    Or do you suffer from short-term memory problems?

    But if you choose to roll onto your back and piss on yourself while flailing in victimhood, yet again, then do so.

    I will let the casual reader decide for themselves how to judge your “transparency”.

  • Lenny Allen

    You would think that transparency and honesty is something you would be proud of since YOU were the one who mentioned that YOU worked as an employee for a municipality. Now you are all secretive about something you were originally proud to tell us existed in some imaginary place.

  • PINAC Troll

    Certainly very amusing!

  • Brian Dobbs

    why does anyone need to back up what they claim to YOU?! lol get a fuckin life. you sound like someone who is so used to rejection that you must go to such lengths to cry about it. nobody nominated you to represent them… you’re not going to “let” the “casual reader” do anything. seems to me youre just as bad as the police trying to have a sense of entitlement and power that doesnt exist. good luck with that!

  • Dale Fletcher

    You know its really sad that someone like me goes to work in public service and tries to do the right thing only to be told to “roll onto your back and piss on yourself”

    You don’t know me. You know nothing about me. Yet you have no problem treating me like shit just because I work in public service. Perhaps you would think differently of me if I come to the aid of of your child that has been injured in an auto accident, attended to your mother when she has a heart attack, or go into your burning home to try to save it. I put my life on the line every day for people like you. I expect nothing in return except a little respect and civility, of which you apparently have none. That is unfortunate as rather than discuss the issues important to PINAC readers, you chose petty bickering and name calling. I think most the readers of PINAC are above that.

  • inquisitor


  • Mike Custalow

    with no “back up” its just another BS live from a GOVT employee. Weird. Didn’t see that one coming.

  • Lenny Allen

    They don’t NEED to back it up to anyone. But they also lose credibility. And Inquisitor didn’t violate the law or citizen privacy by accessing private records. Nor did he beat, shoot or unlawfully detain anyone.

  • inquisitor

    Oh shit, it is his kid sister on the other home computer tag teaming me with the insults.

    You hurt my feelings, I think I am going to start to cry.

    Dude…you are right out of a comic book.

  • inquisitor

    An entire city…it is a secret.

    But I figured out which city it is…

    …it’s Disneyland

  • Mike Custalow


  • Brian

    Have you been tested for paranoid schizophrenia? … You should.

  • inquisitor

    Or if the city and police department is exemplary as he claims, then reveal this utopia so that we all may marvel at its wonders and use it as the ideal for all others to emulate.

    But we can’t have that because it’s personal, but allegedly true, so you are just going to have to trust him on it and let him do the thinking for you.

    Sorry, brutha’…it just doesn’t work that way.

    And that specific issue of “transparency” you were initially arguing for regarding yourself, the other municipal workers, the city and the police department just went out the window…and by your own actions.

  • PINAC Troll

    Now this is getting good!

  • Mark Olish

    No, they’d only remove the egregious ,felonious stuff., the rest they just thumb their nose and tell you tough shit …

  • inquisitor

    I did not tell you to roll over onto your back and piss on yourself.
    You alter the dialogue to suit your argument.

    And I am not treating you like shit because you work for public service.
    You are pulling these defenses purely out of your ass.

    Still playing the victim…yawn…zzzzzzzzzz.
    Sounds like you desperately need some sycophantic admirers to stroke your ego for all that you do and that exemplary city, municipal workforce and police department where they do everything right, by the book, and where everything is transparent.

    I was willing and initially engaging in order to discuss the important issues important to PINAC readers, but you came up short when the time to put up and produce revealed itself.
    So much for that transparency you were referring to.
    Very anti-PINAC, where they name the names.

    You should realize that there are inquiring and discerning minds here that go beyond the level of surface veneer of a subject or point when someone brings something up.
    If you state a generalization or point of fact, then be prepared to back it up and not have people just act out of blind faith in having to believe you, especially when you are correcting someone else’s comment, their behavior or defending a position.

    Sorry you could not assert that which you claimed. Better luck next time, when a few suckers come along who will just outright accept what you say because you save babies from burning buildings.
    PINAC names the names, unfortunately you don’t.

    I was not really interested in knowing which city and such because I could really give a shit. But I had a hunch you would weasel out from revealing such pertinent information to back your claim that you expressed in defense to what someone else had stated. And weasel you did. Sorry, let me rephrase that, you “asserted your right to privacy” to an issue you for which you opened the door and invited everyone in.

  • Guest

    Dude, ignore it. Keep up the good work!

  • Lenny Allen

    You say you except nothing in return for this selfless act of putting your life on the line. So are you saying you would do it for free? Because I am assuming you get a nice paycheck for this job you eagerly applied for, NOT forced into. I owe no one respect until they earn it.

  • gordythreehorses

    I would think differently of you if you were laying on the ground dead from a 44mag round in your head. I would think, now there is a good pig.

  • Dale Fletcher

    I am not hiding, I just choose to be a private person. I am not posting this at work, not using my work computer, not posting the opinions of my employeer but my own, and not acting in any official capacity as a public employee. If you would like to post your real name (as I have), your employeer, and your phone number please feel free to do so.

  • Dale Fletcher

    Thanks Charlie, I appreciate that. I see all too often that people assume the worst of ALL public employees before even giving them an opportunity to perform. While I will never argue there are not a lot of bad apples out there, there are plenty of good ones too. The ones like me that do our job, obey the laws and Constitution never make it on YouTube (thankfully!).

    While most PINAC readers are trying to make changes from the outside, there are also those of us that are working on change from the inside. Its going to take a cooperative effort to make it happen. Bickering and name calling only puts the effort back..

  • rust

    Actually, some of them are not Nazis but fascists, which is very very close. The fascists are the ones that front for McDougals Burgeoise, Munchasto, Taser Interracial, the Military Induscreal Cumplex, Whiffle House, and the thousand other agents tasked with making you a slave. Don’t forget your local “Noose” Channel because they ask hard questions like “is he breaking a law when he takes a pikshur of our brave Heroes?”

  • Charlie

    No probs and thanks for your good service. The views of a few on these forums can distort the genuine interest by many to engage and change the status quo. Just a suggestion, it may be better to post anonymously, which would enable you to speak more openly without fear of representing your department. Cheers

  • inquisitor

    Exaggerating, making unsubstantiated claims and lying certainly puts the effort back.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ7DBSzpaSY Sektor

    inquisitor WINS!

  • dickgosinya48

    They’re your buddies, you fix em or arrest em.

  • gordythreehorses

    you are a retard, and you should be beaten, whipped and flogged, you should get down on your knees and thank god that stupidity is not a crime, yet, for if it was, you would be on death row.

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