August 1st, 2014

Florida Deputies Detain PINAC Crew Members for Photographing Prison 129

By Carlos Miller

Two PINAC crew members were detained for taking pictures of a prison from a public road in North Florida.

Jeff Gray and Thomas Covenant were not breaking the law nor were they doing anything that would have given deputies a reasonable suspicion that they were breaking the law, but they were still threatened with jail if they did not provide their identifications.

It started when a Gilchrist County sheriff’s deputy named Simpson told Gray that they had every right to take photos from public as long as they didn’t enter the property of the Lancaster Correctional Institute in Trenton, which they weren’t doing.

But then the deputy informed them that they were not allowed to video record the inmates who could be clearly seen from the public road, which is complete hogwash, but something that is repeatedly stated by law enforcement officers in Florida.

The only exception, the deputy said, would be if Gray could obtain written consent from the inmates as if these inmates provided written consent to have their mugshots made publicly available so they could be plastered all over the internet.

The deputy then accused them of not allowing the inmates to work in what is essentially state-run slave labor, making up some law that they need to be beyond 50 feet from the inmates, which they were.

And, of course, the deputy insisted on seeing his identification, basing  it on their “suspicious activity,” which can mean anything these days, according to Homeland Security, but would warrant much more than just taking pictures from a public road for it to hold up in court as a legal detainment.

Then came a second  deputy, a good ol’ boy named Wayne May, a sergeant who obviously doesn’t spend much time worrying about reasonable suspicion when making arrests.

“You’re real close to going to jail,” he informed Gray as soon as he stepped out of his car, threatening him on a possible trespass charge, even though they were all standing on public land.

Then entered Lieutenant Edwin Jenkins, the brains of this brainless brigade, claiming Gray was being legally detained for photographing a correctional institute.

But Gray wasn’t buying it, telling them they have just stepped into a big pile of shit.

And that prompted good ol’ boy May to threaten him with jail again, this time for running his mouth.

But Gray kept running his mouth, demanding their names and badge numbers, which prompted May to get in his car and drive down to where Gray was parked, where he left a notice that the car was abandoned and needed to be removed in 24 hours, which not only gave him the legal excuse to run his license plate number – as if that has ever stopped law enforcement officials before – but also gave him the opportunity to make Gray’s life harder if he did, in fact, wind up in jail and was unable to return to his car within 24 hours.

Jenkins then took the lead and informed Gray that he was not allowed on the prison property, which was acknowledged from the beginning and never was the case, so now they were going around in circles.

Good ol’ boy May returned, stepped out of the car and told Gray not to take his photo while he proceeded to take Gray’s photo from a cell phone camera.

Gray eventually provided them with the yellow card he carries that contains his name and birthdate and Covenant provided them with his PINAC press badge for identification purposes.

 

 

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  • Jeff Rielley

    Can’t take pictures of the inmates when they’re in public? There are video cameras in the jail. Maybe Jeff Gray could make his next request of public records from the Gilchrist County Sheriff’s Office of their own video.

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  • Juan Nightstand

    Bunch of power-trippin’ bitches with badges.

  • moonshin

    this is their facebook page
    https://www.facebook.com/GilchristCountySheriffsOffice?sk=info

    of course from their page
    All communication may be subject to F.S.S. 119 and considered public record.
    We reserve the right to block users and delete inappropriate comments.

  • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

    Here is GCSO’s contact page.

  • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

    GCSO’s Phone # 352-463-3410

    • Billy

      I’m curious Jeff, I noticed after your last arrest you’ve been more willing to identify yourself. Is that on advice of an attorney, or to avoid being arrested for “contempt of cop”? I’m not criticizing, I’m just wondering as to the reason for example you have your name and date of birth on the yellow card.

      • inquisitor

        Can’t speak for Jeff, but in this instance when an officer states you are being detained, whether lawfully or not, if you do not offer your name and DOB you can be arrested. Jeff does all he can at this moment by stating he is giving it under duress and protest. He also does not give his DL or any government issue ID.

        • sfmc98

          Exactly. This is what I really like about the core group of people here. You folks take the time to learn the silly rules and beat them at their own game. Some here don’t like the rules or don’t want to take time to learn them, so they just try to ignore them or pretend they don’t apply, which only gets them in trouble and makes everyone else look bad.

          The fact is, no matter how much you may disagree with the rules, until they are lawfully changed, they do apply to private person and officer alike and the best thing you can do is know them better than they do.

      • steveo

        Jeff’s a journalist, there’s no reason not to give someone your name. In Fl, you are only required to give your name if you’re being LAWFULLY detained. But that brings us back to RAS: which is what: 1) a suspicion that something criminal is going down (as seen here cops are always good at the suspicion part) 2) They have to be able to tell a judge what the suspicion is about: to articulate 3) the suspicious activity has to relate to breaking a statute, or an ordinance. The old guy said trespassing, clearly unlawful. Disorderly conduct? nah, what then? They couldn’t articulate so the detention is unlawful.

        • Tijuana Joe

          “Suspiicious activity” is not a crime or grounds for detainment.
          It has to be “reasonable articulable suspicion” of a SPECIFIC
          crime, otherwise they could pick anyone they want for some hassling.

    • jwalsh

      Sent email to sheriff.

  • Fotaugrafee

    This is the best part of this article, I almost pissed my pants…

    “But Gray wasn’t buying it, telling them they have just stepped into a big pile of shit.”

  • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

    Warning

    • Fotaugrafee

      Warning what??

    • Dave Morrison

      Probably at least a policy violation on May’s part – I would imagine there is a protocal to tag a so called abondoned vehicle. However, if you already volated a person’s 1st and 4th amendment rights what’s a little policy violation anyway??

      • inquisitor

        Asshole move on his part.
        I believe the car has to be parked and not moved for a certain number of hours or days before it can be considered potentially abandoned…may depend on county or even city code.

    • Falutin-Free

      To add insult to injury they called your vehicle a van.

      • inquisitor

        The eyes get dim as you age.
        Wonder if that old cop can even pass shooting accuracy test.

  • AlexW

    Great video Jeff.

    One of the key things that make your videos special is that your provide detailed info. Describing the social importance of why you were photographing the prison and the public street you stood on. It makes your videos a model to follow.

    One suggestion is to park further down the street. They love to run your plates.

    • Pixie

      I was thinking rental cars. Use the element of surprise in your favor.

  • Fotaugrafee

    I gotta give Deputy Simpson the benefit of the doubt here. He was pretty cordial for at least the first 3:30 minutes, but he’s still pretty clueless about THE LAW which he is paid to enforce. He shouldn’t be worried or concerned about the prison’s POLICY of not photographing the inmates, much less protecting or taking up for them. It’s not Jeff’s or his concern really what work the inmates get (or don’t get) done, and from what I can tell, Jeff is well over 150’ away from the entrance to the facility, clearly on the other side of the highway. So his meddling concern of the inmates is valid, but not when Jeff is clearly 2-3x the distance from the property.

    FWIW — total sidetrack — The old railroad bed was most recently the Florida West Coast Railroad, owned by CF Acquisitions. The old prick who owned it pretty much pulled up all of his rails (including a 96-mile operation in Vermont) & had the states turn them into rail trails after he let the business dry up. I think there were some big veneer mills out around Wilcox or Chiefland, FL that this serviced until about 10-15 years ago. Both of their locomotives were sold to the Florida Central RR in Plymouth, FL – one of which was scrapped in recent years.

    Lastly, this ignorant old sow May is really arrogant in his “you will respect our authority” approach to Jeff. Take a look at that toothy, shit-eating grin in this screencap.

    • inquisitor

      Nice backstory concerning the railroad tracks.

    • Pixie

      He gave me the willies when he had this grin on. It was after he warned him to stop being mouthy. What a pig.

  • AlexW

    “The only exception, the deputy said, would be if Gray could obtain written consent … to have their mugshots made publicly available so they could be plastered all over the internet.”

    The Gilchrist county inmates mugshots are public and available on the internet. You can
    find them here: http://www.jailexchange.com/CountyJails/Florida/Gilchrist/Gilchrist_County_Jail_Inmate_Search.aspx

  • Kirkus1964

    Is obesity a requirement to be an LEO in the south?

    • in bred jed

      No,but a very low IQ and limited mental capacity seems to be a requirement.

      • Kirkus1964

        But, if you have all three, you’re pretty much a shoo-in for the job, no?

        • Falutin-Free

          That’s how you become a Lt. like Jenkins.

          • Kirkus1964

            It would be a funny question for the photographer to ask on one of these videos.

          • Falutin-Free

            It would be but I feel like Jeff and the others like having their teeth in their mouth. Dental work is expensive even with a civil settlement.

        • Dave Morrison

          All 3 get you promoted to Lt. level it appears.

    • in bred jed

      These three morons are so dumb I’m amazed they can find their own mouths to eat.

    • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

      They are disgusting!

  • Kirkus1964

    Next time have the mugshots queued up on your camera and show them!

  • kraz

    “…as if these inmates provided written consent to have their mugshots made publicly available so they could be plastered all over the internet.”
    That’s something that has always pissed me off. People that are only arrested and not even convicted have their photos, names and sometimes even age and address on the police Facebook pages, the newspaper and on TV. People that don’t know any better (half of the US) see these pictures and assume these people must be guilty. It ruins peoples lives yet cops do illegal shit including murder and we don’t even get their names 95% of the time. I’m thinking of starting a FB page dedicated to posting mugshots of police that have done illegal things and trying to find their names. You know, what’s good for the goose…

    • Falutin-Free

      The sheriff in my county has stopped posting the mugshots on their webpage because of the companies that re-post them and then charge fees to remove them. Everything is still available with a traditional public records request.

      • Tijuana Joe

        True. But how are cops going to prevent coverage of the horrible
        Prison Industrial Complex if they can’t pull a cliche like that out of their ass?

  • gump

    I just watched Jeff Gray get detained by THE THREE STOOGES.

    • steveo

  • Shinigami Kayo

    I have enjoyed this site for some time and applaud its mission but honestly… round and round and round you go. Snap a pic..get arrested, charges droped, sue..what ever..the whole process, even when your in the right serves as a major inconvience to the photographer and at times, sadly, assaults, damage, personal lost. Perhaps its time to work this at the federal level as in establishing laws that hold individuals criminally and civilly libel to a greater extent than already seems to exist. Tax payers footing the bill for court cases does not always seem to correct the situation. I am not American and so perhaps I don’t get it, but the law is welded willy nilly at times in your country in open indifference or misinterpretation of law. From the ground up as this site does is good at awareness and shaming offenders but I think a top down approach is also needed. Lobbiest, changing laws at State and federal level. There has to be an established min. level of Police standards that are entrenched as law as not flexiable and penalties should be sever when abuse takes place.

    • inquisitor

      You do know that Eric Holder is currently running the DOJ and DHS considers citizens to be belligerents at best and domestic terrorists at worst?

      • Difdi

        An attitude that treads right on the line, beyond which lies treason.

        After all, the United States is The People, and making war upon the United States while a citizen of the United States is treason.

        • Ian Battles

          That makes the Drug War an act of treason.

          Because the government is at war with its own citizens who consume drugs.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Congratulations on your accomplishment.

    • Guest

      I think you’re completely wrong. At the higher levels the government officials are much bigger traitors. The strategy of recording and publishing is the best we have. We put these traitor’s faces and names out there for the world to see. For them to see. For their family and friends to see. They are trained and paid to be traitors by bigger traitors. It is only public disgrace that has any chance at changing their behavior.

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  • kyle

    Ho-lee shit… I am watching and shaking my head trying to wrap my head around the instructions and thoughts of these warped law enforcement officers.
    Give me your ID?
    WHY? Cuz you’re suspicious!
    You’re free to leave, but you can’t go that way!

    WTF…

    • Ron

      You are free to leave means the encounter is over. You can stay put if you want and continue doing what you are doing

  • Jim Holmes

    What kind of buttwipe puts an ‘abandoned vehicle’ sticker on a car with the owner there and talking to him?
    Sure looks like abuse of process, coercion and a few good civil rights violations as well as some actionable torts thrown in for good measure.

    • Ron

      Someone who got butt-hurt.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

    Wheres EX COP? Whats your take on this big guy?

    • inquisitor

      He is just finishing up blowing the third officer, Jenkins, in the video and will be right with you in just a moment.

      • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

        Quit projecting. Jenkins and May are all yours.

    • Guest

      Why do you care what that piece of shit has to say? Over and over again he has attacked critical comments of police and other government agents. According to him the public is only allowed to use certain words such as “malfeasance” to describe these government criminals. If you mention anything about them violating their oath, or call them traitors, he calls you a seditionist.

      • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

        But you are a seditionist, by definition.

        • Guest

          But you point that out like it’s a bad thing. In another comment you wrote:

          “Not just seditionists, but filthy seditionists. Scum of the earth seditionists, agitating against their fellow people, their duty, and their country.”

          http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/07/25/dea-agents-fail-intimidating-man-recording-federal-building/#comment-1504490775

          It’s patriotic to point out in the clearest and loudest way those government officials that violate their oaths, their duties, and our Constitutional rights. And one such clear and loud way is to call them what they are. Traitors. And you are a defender of traitors.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Being a seditionist is a bad thing. I thought that you understood that, but seeing as how you do not understand the concept of treason, traitors, and the Constitution, perhaps I was overly optimistic.

          • Guest

            The men that wrote our Constitution were “seditionists.”

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            No, you got that wrong too.

            The men who signed the Declaration of Independence were traitor and seditionists as to the British throne.

            The men who wrote the Constitution (in 1787) were free Americans. The Revolutionary War ended in 1783 with the Treaty of Paris.

            Please review your notes on this before the next class, I may decide to give you a quiz.

          • Guest

            “The men who signed the Declaration of Independence were traitor and seditionists as to the British throne.”

            Many of who were the same men that wrote and signed that declaration. You miserable and arrogant defender of traitors.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            LOL, boy, you really are a moron, aren’t you?

            There was nothing wrong with recognizing that the British crown considered them to be traitors, hell, they recognized that themselves. Franklin said “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.” That was directly related to the fact that King George considered the Patriots to be traitors.

            You know, I can’t help you if you insist on getting on the short bus.

  • Reddit_Guy

    Jeff- perhaps you’d like to add a line like this to your repertoire: “suspicious of committing what crime?”

    Love your work!

  • Boomer

    It never cease to amaze me of the idiocy of law enforcement types. The one officer kept insisting Gray couldn’t be within 50′ of the inmates, and on prison property. It was blatantly clear that Gray had not crossed either of those lines, and yet they persisted in the nonsense.

    This was almost as funny as the “Who’s on First?” routine with the imbeciles in Georgia a while back.

    *This* is what’s supposedly protecting us?
    We can’t do better than *this*?

  • Tom

    Jeff, could you submit a public records request for all pictures taken on the officers phone for the day you were detained? He was taking your picture while on duty in the midst of the investigation.

    • Frank Palmer

      Better yet request there phone call logs, text messages, emails and photos taken. Along with the radio traffic. I bet we expose a lot more incompetence on the officers part.

  • inquisitor

    I learned something new with this interaction about police receiving a call concerning suspicious activity being heresay and not enough to establish “probable cause”.

    But does it qualify as “reasonable suspicion” thereby justifying being detained?

    @ 2:14 Officer states…
    “You’re more than welcome, over here, you can take all the photos you want.”

    I believe we were officially…done…at this point of the interaction.
    Everything else was mafia tactics.

  • Ron

    Jeff was right. Y’all did step in a pile of dog shit, boys. Better start wiping it off.

  • Roscoe Roskovitch

    Thugs with guns and badges.

  • inquisitor

    I would like nothing more to do with my time, as a civic duty, than to do this with the likes of Jeff and epic old guy.

  • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

    I just posted this to their facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/GilchristCountySheriffsOffice

    ==================

    I just watched a police interaction on PINAC involving a deputy (Dep. Simpson), a sergeant (Sgt. May), and a lieutenant (Lt. Jenkins) with a photographer.

    I don’t believe I have seen a worse example of supervision as to the rights of a citizen in a long time.

    I understand the officer not comprehending that he cannot just demand identification, officers rarely deal with this and may not be up on the legal requirements under Brown v. Texas and Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Ct. of Nevada. I do expect supervisors to have knowledge of the requirements.

    When Sgt. May said “you’re real close to going to jail” I was stunned. Go to jail for what? And then Lt. Jenkins made it worse.

    A Terry stop requires a reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot. Mr. Gray was correct in asking what the suspicious activity was, and if Lt. Jenkins could not answer the question, then he did not have reasonable suspicion of a crime.

    This is a poor example of police work and it reflects poorly on your agency. I hope that you will correct this.

    • inquisitor

      Good stuff.

    • Guest

      “I don’t believe I have seen a worse example of supervision as to the rights of a citizen in a long time.”

      What a mealy mouthed piece of shit you are. Why don’t you just say the truth instead twisting your words up into pretzels? “Supervision?” Try “violation.”

      • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

        Yawn.

        Do you want them to pay attention or to just blow it off? Because it was posted to their FB page, and if I did it your way, they would definitely ignore it. My way, the upper staff may actually pay attention.

        • Guest

          “My way, the upper staff may actually pay attention.”

          The “upper staff” are even bigger pieces of shit traitors that trained these piece of shit traitors.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Yeah, that’ll will make them, and the general public want to implement your changes.

    • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

      This is why we have the feelings we have, and this is why we do what we do. You can’t tell me that this video didn’t make you wanna jump on scene and start swinging at these baboons?

      If you were the Chief of Police in this incident, what would you and how would you dole out the discipline to these guys? Would you set up a recurrent training program within the department?

      • Falutin-Free

        “Retraining” to these clowns is they all have a meeting and the chief says, “violate their rights all you want just don’t get caught on camera.”

        • Difdi

          If you or I, with less training in the law than police receive, were to commit an ‘honest mistake’ of equal severity, we’d end the day sitting in a cell.

          Non-police are expected to be sufficiently educated in the law to know their rights, know the law well enough not to break it, and ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

          Police have the same training we all do, K-12. Then they go to school (police academy or college) and get more training in the law and how to apply it. Why is it a retraining issue when a cop breaks the law out of ignorance, and a jailing issue when a non-cop makes a mistake of equal severity?

    • stk33

      It looks like your comment had been removed already.

      • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

        Yup, it’s gone. Which is why I posted here too.

        • Falutin-Free

          What is your opinion of the various law enforcement departments deleting comments and reviews on their Facebook pages? Are social media pages considered part of the public record and maintained as such?

        • Pixie

          It’s not gone. I just saw it there this afternoon. I.E. Monday, Aug. 4th.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Really?

            I’m surprised. It was gone the other day when I checked back. Perhaps they hid it and decided to un-hide it.

          • Pixie

            just now…

  • Guest

    Traitors.

  • This website is ridiculous

    So I suppose that the disrespectful “photographers” were telling the absolute, whole truth about what property they had been on the entire time? You people are so quick to believe every little idiotic statement that these people make. It is very easy to edit a video on your part to cut out any illegal activity to make it appear that you were within the law the entire time. However, the officers obviously received the call because there was a report of these so-called “photographers” committing a crime. Therefore, they were WELL within their rights to investigate. It’s funny how many people are quick to disrespect a police officer. I would love to see the day where each of you NEED to call law enforcement to save your pathetic lives. These people put their own lives on the line every day to protect the citizens of the county. They DESERVE respect.

    • stk33

      Reading this reply, I’m wondering if they already have college course “How to troll libertarian discussion”, or maybe they sell templates with standard texts, or it’s one and the same PR firm posting this bs everywhere, or maybe even a computer. So familiar pieces, first about the day when we need the cops to protect us, then about putting their lives on the line. Same formula everywhere, so maybe there must be a single source of all this, and however many times it’s refuted, they just resurrect and come back with the same bs over and over again, everywhere. Yawn.

      • This website is ridiculous

        No, but obviously it doesn’t take much of an education or a life, for that matter to troll a Facebook page like many of your intelligent members here are doing. I guess it’s okay though, as long as it’s a libertarian view, correct?

        • stk33

          Trolling is defined as making a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting. The difference between our posting the feedback on the PD’s facebook page, which I guess you or someone close to you have removed personally, and your posting here, is that we do believe in what we posted there, while you don’t believe the standard laughable template-based bs you posted here, about the cops saving lives while putting theirs on the line and such.

          Now tell me I’m wrong.

          • This website is ridiculous

            Wow! You can read the dictionary! I applaud you for that! And no, I have no affiliation with the Facebook page or the organization. It’s funny how you are so pro 1st-amendment while it benefits yourself. But the first time someone else uses their first amendment right to post what they believe, you consider it trolling. But as long as they agree with your “libertarian” views, its fine. Congratulations, hypocrite.

          • Kirkus1964

            The 1st Amendment has nothing to do with stating your view on a private website.

          • stk33

            You consider qualifying your post as troll as infringement of your freedom of speech?

            In fact, it was a hidden complement, and an indirect admission that you seem too clever to honestly believe the canned bs you posted.

          • MongoLikesCandy

            You are well within your First Amendment rights to post whatever stupid thing you want to. I am within my rights to call your post stupid.

    • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

      I served as a police officer for over 20 years.

      I did not hear the officers state a single crime that they were investigating. What I did hear was a complete disregard for the rights of Mr. Gray and a failure to uphold the Constitution.

      No one “deserves” respect, respect is earned.

      • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

        Sure is eye opening when your not on that team anymore huh?

        • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

          No.

          I regularly told my officers to cut people lose when they lacked RAS. We constantly trained on that area, among others.

          • Boko Hos

            I’d think anyone that is qualified to be given a badge would know this shit before they ever get the opportunity to violate someone’s rights. That “training” dog doesn’t hunt.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            LOL, I think I’ll pass on taking any serious advice from you.

          • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

            Why would you have to “TELL THEM”? Were they too damn retarded to not know this? This is the problem.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            I have to tell them for the same reason that I have to repeatedly tell you what RAS actually is. The difference is that they normally learned from the instruction.

          • http://www.policemisconduct.net Film The Police Always

            I know what RAS is and I’m not a rights violating pig. So you admit that you have to “repeatedly” tell those dumb bastards what RAS is.

          • http://excoplawstudent.wordpress.com/ ExCop-LawStudent

            Actually you have repeatedly shown that you do not have a clue on what RAS is, and what I stated was that you had to be repeatedly told, not the officers. I stated that the officers learned from the instruction, and inferred that you did not.

            If you continue to have the problems with reading comprehension, I can recommend some places to help you with that.

    • Tim Osmond

      Disrespect? How about those peace officers BREAKING THEIR OATH to PROTECT AND DEFEND THE US CONSTITUTION! Go away and go back to your virtual boot licking. They DESERVE respect? How about earning it. Mr Grey walks the walk when it comes to exercising OUR rights, he has EARNED my respect. Thanks for making me want to puke, pretty sickening to see someone with that type of mentality.

    • steveo

      Ah, yes, the MAGIC call. The call that allows leos to violate every constitutional right that we have. I need your ID, because we got a call. I need to come into your house, because we got a call. I pulled you over, because we got a call.

      And actually, in FL, trespassing is a misdemeanor and most misdemeanors have to be witnessed by the leo. If he didn’t see it, it didn’t happen.

    • LibertyEbbs

      Wow, those are some interesting points that I have never heard or considered before…thanks officer!

    • Kirkus1964

      The Supreme Court ruled in 2006 that police officers are under no obligation to protect citizens.

    • godlessmath

      “These people put their own lives on the line every day to protect the citizens of the county.”

      Any cop who actually thinks that this is his job ought to be fired, quickly. Putting their lives on the line to protect citizens is not the job of the police, that is Batman’s job.

      The job of the police is to uphold the law. This includes respecting and upholding the rights of the people, as it is from our rights which the entirety of the law is sustained. In other words, a country where citizens have no rights is in fact a lawless country, no matter what else happens.

      Run from any cop who tells you his job is to “lay down his life to protect you.” He suffers from a deep and ugly narcissism. He’ll be the first to break the law.

      • stk33

        Besides, he would be lying. Today’s cops announce in the open that their #1 priority is getting home to their family every night. #1, not #2. “Officer safety is paramount”.

        • godlessmath

          Aye, yes.

        • G

          You can say that about cops of every generation where they will tell you that their first job is to go home safe and alive and they will do everything they can to see that they go home alive even if it means breaking the law.. Even in the movie, The Untouchables, the Irish Chicago cop Malone told Agent Ness that was the first unwritten rule of law enforcement.

  • Clwtr

    A friend of mine was arrested and his photo and address put on the jail website. When he returned home after bailing out the next day his home had been broken into and robbed of everything of value. What could possibly be a better time to burglarize a home than when you know someone is in jail and won’t be coming back anytime soon?

    • MongoLikesCandy

      I knew a guy who was pulled over and arrested for DUI. He’d only had half a beer, but the cop strongly suggested he refuse the breathalyzer. He was not allowed to lock the car or call his girlfriend to come get it. It was stolen shortly thereafter. Six months later several cops are under indictment for running a car theft ring. If they stole his car was never investigated. What better way to steal a car than throw the driver in jail?

  • stk33

    I wonder, when Jeff says that he gives his name under duress – does that “disclaimer” really have any weight or meaning in any scenario that might follow?

  • steveo

    yeah, just tell them, that’s ok, I’ve been to jail before. I’ve got a running account with my bail bondsman. He comes running when I call.

    • ray

      One really sickening part was when 2 of the cops independently said “we’re not gonna play that game”. So, trying to clarify why another human is threatening to kidnap you and lock you in a cage is just a game to them. These are immoral, disgusting people. The only consolation is knowing that their immorality will haunt them as they try to fall asleep every night for the rest of their lives.

      • LibertyEbbs

        I wish I agreed that they have trouble sleeping because of their disgusting and destructive behavior…half are incapable of empathy and the other half are too stupid or drunk with power to know or care. Like all bureaucrats they are quite comfortably insulated from the harm they inflict.

        • ray

          Sadly, you may be right. They were indeed stupid and insanely drunk with power. Especially when they increase in numbers and violent mob psychology kicks in. I just figure they were children at one time and maybe they remember petting a kitten. Of course, maybe, they remember torturing a kitten. I’m sure everyone here agrees that their age is irrelevant – we see rookie cops doing much worse. I’m over 60 and this video makes me want to see these cops chopping weeds with the prisoners.

          • G

            What is worse, is that they guys are probably God-fearing people who attend church; however, once they put on the badge and the uniform, they think that they are God and love to put the fear into people.

  • ENTWAFFNUNGDERGESTAPO!

    welcome to the rat list all you gilchrist county goons. It might be a bit harsh to say that these punks need to hang, but the stench of nazi filth reeks stronger than rotten sauerkraut from these pukes.

  • Ian Battles

    Now follow through on suing them for illegally detaining you.

    He flat out admitted they detained you for taking pictures in a public space!

    This should be a slam dunk in a courtroom!

    • stk33

      There would be no court. You would settle for 100 hours of community service in exchange for them dropping the charges, after having paid 1-2 grand to the attorney plus couple of hundred more for impounded car.

  • StevieNitro

    What I find creepy is at the bottom of the orange vehicle warning, there is a note about CorsiKlana, TX. I’m from CorsiKlana. Weird.

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