August 27th, 2014

Florida Police Chief Defends Cops’ Aggressive, Violent and Life-Threatening Reaction Against Men Video Recording them 310

By Carlos Miller

Boynton Beach Police Chief Jeffrey Katz defended the aggressive reaction of his officers in a Youtube video Tuesday, claiming the men in the car were “escalating” the situation by “recording the interaction,” causing one of the officers to fear for his life when a man “reached out of his window with a black object in his hand,” which was nothing more than a camera phone trying to record the cop’s name tag after he refused to provide it.

That cop slapped the phone out of his hand, then yanked the man out of the car, throwing him facedown on the grass while another cop with his gun drawn comes charging towards the other men, threatening to shoot one of them for who knows what.

“I’ll put a round in your ass so quick,” the cop said, even though none of the men in the car were doing anything more than being assertive about their rights, even if they were doing it in a profane manner, which is protected by the First Amendment.

The video cuts off when the gun-pointing cop moves to the backseat and arrests the man with the camera, eliminating the deadly threat they were envisioning.

The incident apparently took place last year but was uploaded to Youtube last month where it remained under the radar until Tuesday when Katz began defending the officers’ behavior in the comments section, trying to justify their behavior by claiming there had been a “violent home invasion robbery” within a two-mile radius when we know they didn’t stop everybody else in that same radius.

Katz, who prides himself on being a social media whore on Twitter and Facebook, comes across arrogant and condescending in his statement (posted below in its entirety), stating that the men deserved to be attacked because they did not show enough “fear.”

When I watch this video, I don’t see a car full of young men who are behaving in a manner consistent with fear of the police.

And that’s what it really boils down to in this video. Contempt of cop.

 The driver and occupants of a vehicle have far more to do with the outcome of a traffic stop than does the initiating officer. Respect begets respect. Antagonism and hostility are met with defensiveness and it escalates the officers’ stress response – this never leads to a more productive and civil engagement.

The young, black men in this video not only questioned their authority, one of men turned up the attitude after a cop ordered him to stop recording.

No, I have rights. I’m not intimidated. I have rights.

Sir, I’m recording your ass. What the fuck you going to do?

Bitch, you’re on camera. What the fucks wrong with you. Stupid ass cracker.

That cop walks away, only for another cop to walk up to the driver’s side where the driver asked for his name and badge number. The cop provided a badge number but not a name, which is when the driver apparently tried to stick his phone out the window to record his name tag, striking fear in the cop’s heart, leaving him no choice but to yank the driver out of the car and slam him to the ground (his name was Danish, according to the man in the back seat).

Meanwhile, another cop comes rushing up with his gun drawn, also apparently in fear for his life.

Katz also said they were unable to fully investigate the incident because the men had never filed a complaint with the police department, even though we all know it’s pointless to expect the police department to investigate itself.

This is a common tactic that police use, insisting that a person who has been abused come into the department in person to make the complaint, when it’s the very same department that abused him. Even if a person does come into the station, many times they will be threatened with arrest or intimidated from filing the complaint. It’s just how the Blue Mafia operates.

Katz,  according to his department’s website, has done “extensive research in destructive leadership, organizational incivility, and corporate psychopathy,” the latter which is defined in a medical report as having “a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others.”

And that sounds just about right for the Boynton Beach Police Department, who have arrested several people in the past for video recording them in public.

 

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Here is Katz’s comment on Youtube defending his officers, a shining example of the Police PR Spin Machine in action.
A message from Boynton Beach Police. Chief Katz: Boynton Beach Police Chief Katz I’ve seen this video before – probably about a year ago. It continues to surface despite the fact nobody has made a complaint or provided helpful information from which we could put this incident in context or take corrective action if applicable. Despite this fact, my staff and I did an exhaustive search of our records in order to try to identify this incident, which occurred on February 4, 2013. What we learned is:
• The persons within this car were within a 2 mile perimeter officers established in response to a violent home invasion robbery in which the suspects were armed with a machete (BBPD Case number 13-5715).
• The persons within the vehicle were – as you can see on the video – less than cooperative and, in some cases antagonistic toward the officers.
The driver reached out of his window with a black object in his hand. The sergeant immediately felt threatened by this gesture and took actions to protect himself and others on the scene.
People these days seem to like to draw strong and definitive conclusions based upon clips of video and information. That’s not how this complex world works, folks. The driver and occupants of a vehicle have far more to do with the outcome of a traffic stop than does the initiating officer. Respect begets respect. Antagonism and hostility are met with defensiveness and it escalates the officers’ stress response – this never leads to a more productive and civil engagement. When I watch this video, I don’t see a car full of young men who are behaving in a manner consistent with fear of the police. These young men are escalating this incident, being uncooperative with officers who are investigating a violent crime, and recording their interaction – presumably with the hopes of catching a “gotcha” moment on the part of our personnel.
I hate to disappoint them, but no gotcha moment exists here…which is why I suspect nobody ever came forward to make a complaint about this. Rest assured, absent a complaint we still looked into this incident and found the officers’ actions to be appropriate and justifiable given the totality of the circumstances. To those who are attempting to use this video to stoke racial tension and fear – I’d encourage you to work toward a solution and engage productive behaviors. For example:
• Report what you perceive to be police misconduct – and let us know when we are doing something right as well!
• Participate in our citizen’s police academy, and learn more about why and how we do the things we do… Ignorance is a terrible catalyst to judgment.
• Make an appointment to come chat with me about the direction of the department and offer your suggestions for improved service.
If you didn’t know the information I shared with in about the broader context and circumstances of this incident and drew a conclusion, reconsider with these facts in mind. Facts are a stubborn thing.

He’s right about one thing. Facts are a stubborn thing.

And the fact is, he never mentioned any probable cause for having pulled the men over in the first place.

Call Chief Jeffrey Katz at (561) 742-6104 to see if there is something else he hasn’t told us.

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  • steveo

    Just read a kindle book on How to arrest proof yourself. The author is a former Miami patrol cop, FBI agent and now a defense lawyer. At times reading the book made me so ill, I wouldn’t keep reading, but I got a really good look into the mindset of leos.

    What’s one situation that will almost always get you pulled over by the leos? 4 black young men in a car. I know it’s racist and not right and profiling, but the leos are going to shake you down every time. This one is especially egregious and why all black and brown people need to start filming their police encounters. You may not get any immediate justice, but it’s going to do something that the city commission hates and that’s bad publicity. Or you could take Chris Rock’s advise and when you go out in the car, take a white friend.

    • n4zhg

      What do you call four black men in a Mercedes?

      Grand Theft Auto.

      • Joseph Murray

        What department do you work for?

        • JJ_Swiontek

          Chill Joseph, it was a joke. :)

          • Winston Wallace Jr

            It wasn’t funny, it was offensive and it has no place in polite society just like the comments about stringing up cops and suggesting they be murdered.

          • ENTWAFFNUNGDERGESTAPO!

            i don’t think comments here (or anywhere on the interweb) qualify as polite society.

            Discussion of capital punishment for police criminality has its place anywhere that people live under the rule of law and have constitutionally protected rights. It would not be murder, more like justice.

          • PINAC Troll

            Pizza is Not a Crime Gustav.

          • ben dover

            You can not murder someone who deserves the death penalty. So on that note, Hang Em High

          • rust

            MURDERED? Executed for crimes against humanity.

          • Rail Car Fan

            “Winston Wallace Jr” said in part…

            “…has no place in polite society just like the comments about stringing up cops…”

            Q: Is that “stringing up cops” done before or after the cop has been made to walk the plank at high seas, or is it after they’ve been taken from the firing squad?

            Inquiring minds want to know.

            Rail Car Fan

          • ENTWAFFNUNGDERGESTAPO!

            before, during , and after. for maximum effect

          • nunya

            Welcome to America , where nobody gives a shit if you’re offended , nor should they , get over yourself .

        • n4zhg

          No department. Couldn’t dumb down the IQ test enough. I just know what their mindset is.

        • gearbox123

          Get a sense of humor, it don’t cost nuthin.

      • Guest

        Ignorance comes in all shapes, sizes, colors and costumes. And those that benefit continue to relish in the division that ignorance perpetuates.

    • Jefft90

      Steveo
      Don’t disagree on your broad point but I know of several neighborhoods in SoCal that 4 white guys in a car will get you pulled over almost all the time.

      • steveo

        Which is why we need a national movement to go to city council meetings and demand that leos record encounters. The last two stories here have one thing in common. PD’s that have no dash cams and no body cams. And they do that for a reason, that don’t want to be held accountable. But in many of these locals in FL, There are significant pockets of African Americans surrounded by very rich white people, like West Palm Beach, Sarasota and even larger cities like Miami. All that has to happen is another Michael Brown incident and they just lit a match. The leos don’t care, in their minds, they’re never wrong. The only ones that get really hurt are the neighborhoods and the taxpayers.

        • Waldetto

          Sorry, but we need a national movement to dissolve all socialist police departments and have all free market protection were people can withhold their money from corruption! That’s the only way to make a difference! Do you think they care about anything you think when you are still forced to pay them through taxes? No. Google “Private Police”, there are some now in Detroit and Houston, and the SERVE the public!

          • ENTWAFFNUNGDERGESTAPO!

            its a good start, but does not go far enough. they must also hang.

          • PINAC Troll

            Still Gustav, Pizza is Not a Crime.

          • ENTWAFFNUNGDERGESTAPO!

            i love you, troll

          • Kerfuffulator

            You think Socialism is the problem?? LOL. Define what you mean by Socialism (no, don’t google or wikipedia it now.. what you meant when you posted)

          • inquisitor

            He said “socialist police departments” not “socialism”.

            He elaborated on socialist police departments related to their being financed by taxes and in contrast to private police forces.

            What is the alleged mystery for you that one could not easily extrapolate from his post?

          • Waldetto

            The main socialist and negative aspect, there are others, of the police department structure is the way it’s paid for, everyone is forced to pay for it whether it serves them or oppresses them! This eliminates any incentive for the police to treat anyone better. Imagine that when the black community is treated in an unacceptable way if instead of merely protesting, while still being forced to pay your oppressors, they could simply take their business and their money to a competing agency that promised better service! This would result in a police service that protected people and served people instead of what we have now.

          • Kerfuffulator

            Except for this little thing called voting.. which actually does hold public servants liable for their actions. Voting is a much more realistic way to change things.

          • Waldetto

            “Realistic”? Did you just really say that? Are you delusional? Hmm.. we could have a system where each individual could be empowered to stop paying for racism and oppression the minute it was revealed, ending it today, or a “much better” system, like what we have right now where things get worse every year, but people hold out for ‘hope and change’ years down the road that never comes. You must be a Marxist Socialist, they love their oppression!

          • Kerfuffulator

            Straw Man much?

            try again.

          • Waldetto

            So you are here to support the status quo? Sounds like society could not be structured any more to your liking!

          • Kerfuffulator

            Depends on what you mean by the status quo.

            If you mean “Do I support a federal government of a republic of fifty states that constitute the United States, as well as one capital district, and several other territories. A federal government composed of three distinct branches: legislative, executive and judicial, whose
            powers are vested by the U.S. Constitution in the Congress, a
            President, and federal courts, including a Supreme Court, respectively. With powers and duties of these branches are further defined by acts of Congress, including the creation of executive departments and courts
            inferior to a Supreme Court.”, the answer is, that as non-traitor to the United States, I do in fact support it’s system of government.

            Thanks for playing.

          • Waldetto

            Much more local than that, do you support the actions of the government police in the above article?

          • inquisitor

            “Voting is a much more realistic way to change things.”

            Yeah, if you are the one hacking the electronic voting machines in your favor.

            What do the dead have to say about it?
            http://ballotpedia.org/Dead_people_voting

            How will voting fare when 15 million illegals are given amnesty and another 15 million over the next ten years?

            Or let’s ask Catherine Engelbrecht how her efforts are panning out concerning voting as a much more realistic way to change things…


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWIhKbTJ0o4

          • Kerfuffulator

            Ahhh “Voter Fraud”, the Myth that keeps on giving.

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-a-massive-anti-democratic-deception/

            Perhaps you should try a different fairy tale…

          • Kerfuffulator

            Oh, if those “illegals” vote, that’s actually a GOOD THING. Participatory Democracy is major goal if you want a government of the People, by the People and for the People.

          • inquisitor

            That’s it?
            That’s all you can provide?
            Weak. Impotent,

          • Kerfuffulator

            But Hay, if you can link to some studies that Voter Fraud is real & large enough to actually be an issue, I would be VERY interested. If it were real (as in happening with enough frequency AND numbers actually effect election outcomes), then that would be very important information.

            ps Fox “news”? I guess I should be glad you didn’t cite the Onion

          • inquisitor

            So that is how it is done for you?
            Every source provided considered a fabrication.
            Even though the guest on the Fox show had testified before Congress and it is the meat of her experience that is to be focused upon and not the venue.
            Why would I waste my time with a serial mooter?

          • nunya

            AAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!! GOOD ONE .

          • Nemo

            I don’t recall ever being able to vote on a police union contract, let alone vote as to whether or not to retain a specific police officer. Further, I haven’t ever seen the issue of whether or not the police departments local to me should be allowed to self-investigate, in any of the states or communities i have lived in.

            Thanks for playing, as you said.

          • jonquimbly

            Yup. Once upon a time, communities in parts of America paid a subscription fee, instead of taxes, for fire fighter service.

            You didn’t pay, your house burned down. I say, let ‘em burn. Subscription police: you dial 911 but didn’t pay up? Well, maybe they’ll stop b just to record video of the armed rapist busy at work on your wife.

            A modern example, a rural TN home burned down because the homeowner forgot to pay the annual $75 fee-

            http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/t/no-pay-no-spray-firefighters-let-home-burn/

          • Waldetto

            What about homeowners insurance? Forget to pay for it and they don’t rebuild your house! OMG! Are YOU petitioning your government for ‘free’ government supplied homeowners insurance, or are you just a hypocrite?

          • Waldetto

            I love the smell of defeat from ignorant liberal pundits that have their opinions formed for them by Rachel Madcow, and then when they reach the limit of that opinion they have only the ability to shut the f up! Duh!

          • nunya

            state controlled……….. derp

          • History Guy

            Yah! Bring back FEUDALISM! That will solve everything! (facepalmdeaddesk)

          • Waldetto

            The opposite of socialism is not feudalism.

          • Kerfuffulator

            Opposite?? Who said that? Was it a straw man that said it?

            Feudalism = Libertarianism

            http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2013/09/bringing-back-feudalism-is.html

          • jonquimbly
          • Waldetto

            Funny story, too bad all the socialist stories end with 250 million innocent people being dead! Now what about homeowners insurance? Forget to pay for it and they don’t rebuild your house! OMG! Are YOU ACTIVELY petitioning your government for ‘free’ government supplied homeowners insurance, or are you just a hypocrite? After all, homeowners insurance should be a human right! Right?

          • jonquimbly

            What would happen if the state and federal govts just said “you’re on your own” after a twister touched down in the Midwest? Or a hurricane tore up parts of FL? An earthquake flattens parts of Los Angeles?

            Why do we have a government in the first place? Are there any common needs that are better served without a profit motive? (Take defense out of the list of answers, because that cow is so fat with profits…)

          • Waldetto

            What the hell do you ‘think’ they do? They did nothing of value in Katrina! Most people have nothing to do with any government after events like that. Private insurance money flows in and gets repairs made! If it’s big enough the Red Cross may pass out water and basic supplies. Any and all FEMA money is fraudulently obtained and quickly wasted. You must be basing all of your comments strictly on preconceived notions because there are no facts backing them up!

          • qweztionz5

            These filthy pigs are fascist not socialist. They would have loved it in the Gestapo, in fact their grand dads probably were in the Gestapo!

        • Yvonne
      • ENTWAFFNUNGDERGESTAPO!

        only if there in a black neighborhood, because the gestapo assumes they’re buying drugs. Or simply up to no good since no good can result from interactions with blacks.

        • Jefft90

          I disagree with your” only” based on experience.
          Have a colorful past, and still have colorful friends who are required to wear long sleeves at work and T shirts at most swimmimg places. It is not unusual for them to be pulled over for wide turns, poor signalling etc. Because we have all reformed they usually get a warning and have a nice day from the police.

    • inquisitor

      Name of book or link to Amazon Kindle page of said book?

    • Charlie Grapski

      Share the title and author. That sounds very interesting and informative.

    • Charlie Grapski

      Share the title and author. That sounds very interesting and informative.

    • SiNNeR

      Arrest proof yourself = don’t be black. I’ve seen so many videos and have had a few altercations with cops myself, and I can see I would have gotten my ass kicked a few times by police officers if i was black. But, because I am white, and oh so pretty, they are weary if I come from a good family with a lawyer.

      If anyone thinks they deserve to have gun in their face because they mouth off a bit, they are already slaves to the system and are just happy they are above other slaves. Just like the nazi’s , just glad they were on the side with the guns.

  • Captain Obvious

    I can’t be the only one who was thinking about what bullshit this is. Until race got brought into it. The second I heard Cracker, all sympathy went out the window. While I completely agree with these guys and the recording, I don’t like Racists in any form! Even if we agree on things

    • Carlos_Miller

      I knew many would not be able to get past cracker,not stopping to think that perhaps the initial harassment was racist to begin with. No, of course, that never happens.

      • Tom Stedham

        what was the original “suspect description”???? if it was “four black males”, then… how could this encounter possibly be “racist”

        • steveo

          What the chief is describing is what I call the “Magic Call”. That’s an anonymous call they get from somebody that allows them, they think, to violate every single constitutional right you have because, well, we got a call. The DCA’s and the Florida Supreme Court doesn’t agree with them and says that there are degrees of calls, substantiated and unsubstantiated, but for most of the calls the leos are supposed to tread lightly and make a non-confrontational investigation (they don’t) , so there’s that.

          • n4zhg

            OK, you got a call. My attorney will be filing a subpoena for all verbal and electronic communications for the 48 hour period centered on right now.

      • Guest

        Couldn’t your presumption of knowing also be considered racist?

    • StreyDawg

      Do you think race was not “brought into the picture” until the word “cracker” was uttered?

      I love the notion of free speech more than I hate the words of a racist. Anything less is fascist.

      And personally, I prefer to be called “Saltine-American.”

      • steveo

        actually cracker could also mean any race because the definition of “cracker” is a person born in FL or a person born in GA, hence, GA cracker or FL cracker. Has kind of stuck to white people, though.

        • John

          That is incorrect in this context. The origin of “cracker” refers to white slave owners cracking the whip on slaves to force obedience.

          It’s a disgusting racial epithet and I hope its racist users drop it from their vocabulary, as I hope racists of other ethnicities drop terrible racist epithets from theirs. The best response to racism is not more racism.

          And just because I’m as pasty as one form of the word doesn’t mean I can’t abhor the other.

        • inquisitor

          Never heard that cracker could refer to any race born in FL or GA and that it has “kind of stuck to white people”. It was originally a non-racist term used amongst whites in reference to other whites.
          Never heard another black person refer to another black or latino person as a cracker. Never heard a white person refer to a black or latino person as a cracker…..ever.

          http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/arts-culture/crackers

          • steveo

            doesn’t matter it’s not a “fighting” word. Fighting words trigger a disorderly conduct charge. Like, “I’m going to kick your ass, or Keep it up, I’ll rip your face off, Something like that.

          • inquisitor

            I don’t know which argument you are making or which debate you are in.
            I am merely addressing your comment on the usage of the word cracker applied to those of any race.

          • NotTalkingOutOfMyAss

            Or “I’ll put a round in your ass so quick”.

      • TSI

        Cracker has no racial undertones, It’s a term used to refer to cops being similar to slave owners aka whip crackers. It has more to do with police corruption than race. -

        • inquisitor

          You are wrong.

    • Voice-Of-Concern

      the people in the car are not on duty, in a job where they swore to uphold the Constitution. Private Citizens can be profane, sexist, racist or even practice a faith you don’t like.. ALL are due EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW.. that’s part of the Constitution.

      • PINAC Troll

        What is with you about pizza being a crime?

    • TSI

      Cracker has no racial undertones, it’s a term used to refer to cops being similar to slave owners aka whip crackers. It has more to do with police corruption than race.

      • Brian Wirth

        TSI you are incredibly ignorant of reality if you truly believe that.

      • inquisitor

        You are wrong…again.

    • Brian Wirth

      I find it pretty sickening that you all are okay with these guys using racial terms just because YOU THINK the stop was racist. Are you saying anytime a white officer pulls over a car full of black people it’s racist?? You realize just saying THAT is racist! The camera didn’t start until after the officers were antagonized. We don’t know what happened before this. The driver asking why the officer needs to see his ID is just ignorant. You are driving, you are required by law to have a drivers license failure to present one is against the law. Like it or not. These guys escalated the situation by once again not being educated on the do’s and don’ts of police interaction. I see it alot on here, people starting a camera well after the stop was initiated, after the police have been antagonized. How can any of you speak on anything other than what is videoed? You are all making assumptions and committing the egregious act of profiling yourselves. You are profiling the police, you don’t have the full story, you fill in the blanks with made up information. There are plenty of videos on this site which have no need to be here… This included.

      • Kerfuffulator

        feel free to start your own blog. indeed, good luck with it. Let us know how it goes.

        or, in the alternative, just keep whining, as if it matters

  • Crabby the dinosaur

    If these cops felt threatened by the recording device and really thought it was a gun, these guys would all be dead with about 10 holes in each of them. These cops all know what a frickin camera looks like. I don’t care if the occupants in the vehicle were cooperating or not. The job of a peace officer is to remain calm in the face of adversity, not behave like a schoolyard bully who pisses himself anytime someone stands up against them. The lack of respect for law enforcement is increasing exponentially because the number of these instances are increasing exponentially. Law enforcement tactics are breeding this lack of respect for officers. Stop acting like scared little bitches all the time, show people some respect and things may take a turn for the best.

    • jimbob91389

      he should have yelled “gun gun gun” as well if he actually thought it was a gun, correct? and I did not hear him yell that so I think this is just a classic example of police bullying.

    • Brian Wirth

      I agree with this. However due to the fact that the camera was started well after the stop was initiated AND clearly the officers were already antagonized, there is clearly more to this story than the cameras are showing.

      • Nemo

        Perhaps the police officer pulled them over because there was a report of an attack a couple miles away, and was arrogant and aggressive from the get-go because he assumed that the car was full of killers, and thus treated them like criminals.

        Just because there might be “more to the story” doesn’t mean that it was the victims’ fault here. The police escalate in order to “gain dominance”, by training and policy, so that is a more plausible scenario than “blame the victim” is.

  • steveo

    The last two court cases on cell phones, Riley and Smallwood involved the argument by the respondents’ attorney that the cell phone could either be a weapon or appear to be a weapon, as a reason for the confiscation of the device. In both instances, the Justices in the SCOTUS ruling and in the Florida Supreme Court ruling actually mocked the respondent and just kind of laughed that argument off. I don’t know why the leos are still holding on to that ridiculous argument. But hands free is preferable, you can buy a landyard for your phone, I have one, and I see people with those on all the time. That’s becoming acceptable, the phone around the neck on a landyard.

    • Jeffrey Marcus Gray

      In most situations where I record public officials I typically use my phone as a camera simply because it’s always with me. When it came time to upgrade from my iPhone 4s I intentionally went with a yellow iPhone 5c. I also take yellow masking tape and put strips of it on my other cameras. I try to make all of my cameras or any thing I “point at police” as highly visible as possible and to look nothing like a weapon of any kind.

      • Winston Wallace Jr

        The significant advantage to using your cell phone as a camera is it gives you rock solid legal protection from the police searching it or even accessing it without a warrant.

        • Rail Car Fan

          Yeah Right…!

          As if that will stop the cops from doing it anyways, or in some cases, return it to you (if at all), with whatever you recorded deleted, memory card missing, having it come up missing in the evidence room, or innocently dropped and stepped on.

          One again, Yeah… Right. Dream On!

          Rail Car Fan

          • Kerfuffulator

            Or flatly denying they ever had custody of an item which was not listed on the report…

        • Rail Car Fan

          Yeah Right…!

          As if that will stop the cops from doing it anyways, or in some cases, return it to you (if at all), with whatever you recorded deleted, memory card missing, having it come up missing in the evidence room, or innocently dropped and stepped on.

          One again, Yeah… Right. Dream On!

          Rail Car Fan

      • steveo

        Like Jeff said, the “smartphone” has a number of advantages when recording police. 1) there’s no doubt anymore that they have to have a warrant or consent to get anything off the phone 2) if you make a motion (make sure you include the sd card and battery, in your motion) in your case, if arrested or phone confiscated, the court will side with you and order the police to return it 3) you can password protect it, but they can still remove the sd card or you can set some of the phones to record directly to the built in memory. 3) you can set it to automatically upload the document to a cloud, but kind of cumbersome with 4G without a wifi connection, but a small clip will automatically upload, if the battery hasn’t run out. 4) there are precedents like the Sharp case concerning tampering with the device to delete any clips.

        • Steve_Mart1n

          A few points to your post.

          Correctly protected smartphones, anything with post android 4.0, the removal of the SD card will do nothing as to the cops getting access to the video. Android 4.0+ is able to 100% encrypt the device and the memory card and the cops cannot access it without your password, even if they pull the card and read it in a PC or manufacturer device designed to read the card – once encrypted, it’s unreadable in any device other than the phone it was encrypted on and having the password it was encrypted with. (tested and verified)

          Supreme court has already ruled that you do not have to give them the password.

          Using bambuser or Qik, you can record while the phone is ‘locked’.

          Using either bambuser or QiK, your video is sent to the internet automatically and immediately. The only way to stop that is to either turn the phone off (which requires a password) or pulling the battery out, but as soon as the phone comes back on it will finish uploading whatever it has still waiting.

          Truecrypt does not work on most phones it’s more of a PC application, Android 4.0+ encryption is the only secure android encryption since it is built in – trucrypt goes into effect AFTER the phone boots, which means it can be gotten around.

          Using bambuser or Qik, you can access the video even if the cops take the phone (i.e. you have no physical access to it).

          If they tell you that you have to give them the passwords, tell them NO due to the supreme court, not because you don’t deal with terrorists… that is the quickest way to get yourself arrested and hassled in a way you will be unable to protect yourself.

          No need to be obnoxious or rude to the officer… keep your cool and use the courts after the fact to be obnoxious and rude to the officer in a way that has a real chance of doing something.

          • Rail Car Fan

            @ “Steve_Mart1n”… who said in part…

            “Use BamBuser”…

            As I have pointed out many times on this web site, “BamBuser” is very limited in not only their “Free” 15 day trial program, but also in their $45 program too.

            Most posters here can’t afford either one of their top tier program that costs $300-$400.

            Wish there was a more affordable program/web site that could do the same thing.

            Rail Car Fan

      • Guest

        Pink with a my a little pony cover would have been better. When they finally decided to assault you claiming it was a gun the whole internet could mock the shit out them for being a bunch of gutless paranoid pussies afraid of a girlie phone.

  • Kirkus1964

    Jeffrey Katz – yet another morbidly obese LEO.

  • nospamformo
  • Falutin Free

    Katz is not only a social media whore but also a doughnut whore. The most important part of his day is when the “hot light” turns on at the Krispy Kreme.

  • Tom Stedham

    I lost any interest in the plight of these fine young Americans when they hurled a racial slur….

    “Bitch, you’re on camera. What the fucks wrong with you. Stupid ass cracker.”

    • StreyDawg

      You would abandon the notion of Free Speech over your personal opinion about how offensive you find their language?

      Are you really sure how this whole 1st Amendment/Constitution thing is supposed to work?

      • Brian Wirth

        It has nothing to do with rights, it has to do with the fact these guys were using abusive and violent language. Beyond that, I am pretty sure there is a set of rules posted that states when interacting with police remain respectful. This isn’t so you show your submission, but rather, if you are recording the situation, it shows that you were calm and collected while the police officer was the one who was out of control and abusive. Once you start throwing out insults, racial remarks and using generally abusive language towards the officer, it shows anyone in a court room that you were being aggressive, which to the general public and those who are brainwashed, means you deserved everything that happened. Remember the majority of citizens in this country think that cops are angels.

        • StreyDawg

          A “set of rules” posted where?

          As someone who has interacted with the police, I’ve learned that you can literally show absolute respect with the police in language, demeanor, and behavior, and they will still suggest you are “aggressive” simply because you don’t submit to their “commands.”

          • Rail Car Fan

            “Strey Dawg”…

            Shouldn’t that say… “Badge Bully” commands..!..?

            I gave your post a thumbs up anyways.

            Rail Car Fan

        • Rail Car Fan

          @ “Brian Wirth” who said in part…

          “…when interacting with police remain respectful.”

          RESPECT is a two-way street. You get respect when you give it… not because the person you want respect from is now looking at the barrel opening of your gun that’s pointed at their head.

          I guess then your definition of RESPECT is a whole lot different than mine.

          Rail Car Fan

          • Brian Wirth

            Yes it is a two way street… And in this video neither party ever showed any respect. I am suspicious of how this video ended due to the beginning of it starting after the stop had taken place, as well as the fact that the officers and passengers were already irritated. YOU choose to side with the guys who posted the video, which by the way doesn’t tell the whole story… I on the other hand side with nobody, due to lack of evidence. All I hear out of the vehicle passengers mouths is disrespectful, and that is well before guns were drawn.

          • Kerfuffulator

            solution: Cop bodycam public record. But we don’t have that.

            So we have to go with the best available evidence. If you have additional or alternate video for this matter, I’m sure most of us would be very interested to see it.

          • Nemo

            You say you side with nobody, but from what I have seen, you are far more critical of the men who were abused by the police than the police doing the abusing.

            If “the police are normal people, and can react badly when insulted”, then they should be arrested, charged, and tried like normal people, when they commit assault with a deadly weapon.

        • inquisitor

          You use very arbitrary non-legal terms to justify your position…

          abusive
          violent language
          remain respectful
          calm and collected
          out of control and abusive
          throwing out insults
          using generally abusive language
          being aggressive

          This is the shit the police fill their reports with when they lie to justify their unjustifiable actions.

          • Brian Wirth

            Other than proving your a douche, I am not sure what your point is.

          • Nemo

            The fact that you don’t seem to understand the point goes far towards explaining why you hurled an insult at Inquisitor. I suppose Inquisitor is now justified in your mind to point a gun at you, though.

    • Boko Hos

      Not surprising. You only like certain amendments to the Constitution. STill a two party voter?

    • steveo

      just words, words is just words unless they are fighting words, that’s not fighting words. Great case in FL…K.Y.E vs. State kye was a juvie hence the abbreviation, Kye was a bystander at a police encounter and sang the Ice Cube rap song, Fxxk the police, got arrested for 843.02, DCA said, “just words, not criminal”

    • TSI

      Cracker has no racial undertones, It’s a term used to refer to cops being similar to slave owners aka whip crackers. It has more to do with police corruption than race.

      • BigFurHat

        What are the undertones of “stupid ass”?

      • inquisitor

        You are wrong.

  • Boko Hos

    More of ECLS’s paranoid sociopathic friends

  • FABO

    Cops should have body cams … so shit like this cant be perged in the report

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9O1KQPypbI SmashAnarchy

    I have no sympathy for those punks.

    • Kirkus1964

      Are you more concerned about them than you are about the egregious encroachment on our rights?

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9O1KQPypbI SmashAnarchy

        I believe in exercising your rights. But I also believe that
        with rights comes the responsibility to behave civilly and respectfully towards
        each other, even if it’s a police officer you’re dealing with. I’m not an
        anarchist, and I believe in order to have a civilized society there has to be
        rules. The police are tasked with a tough job of enforcing our rules against
        many thugs every day while putting their lives on the line. These punks were
        obviously street smart idiots that thought it would be cute to “exercise their
        rights” irresponsibly while behaving like thugs and punks. We don’t know what
        led up to this interaction with the cops, and I know that if I were a cop in
        this situation, with a car full of obviously belligerent punks grabbing “things”
        from their person and pointing them at me, I’d have probably been on edge too. The
        cops don’t get the last say, the courts do. And if you want respect, you ought
        to give it. These punks are as responsible for the erosion of our rights as the
        cops, if not more so. It is because of people like them that cops end up
        stepping over the line because they have to deal with imbeciles like this every
        day. I’ve never seen Jeff Grey get face-planted for exercising his rights. He
        does it in a tactful and respectful manner. It’s a tenuous thing to exercise
        one’s rights, but if you do it like these punks did you are probably not going
        to get any sympathy from anyone when a cop body slams you in the dirt, and
        rightly so.

        • Steve_Mart1n

          Who disrepected who first???

          The officers disrespected them first.

          Do police have a tough job… sure, I know, I used to be one.. you know what? TOUGH FUCKING SHIT, that’s the job and you knew it when you signed up.

          I suppose the cops did get the last say in the case of Brown, or the numerous other people that never made it to the police station.. hell there is a case right now where the black guy gets taken to the police station, after 2 pat downs, and somehow miraculously shoots himself with a gun he had hidden, while in the back of the patrol car, while in handcuffs behind his back… yet he shoots himself in the FRONT and it’s ruled a suicide…. I have MANY MANY MANY more examples of this….

          How did the courts have the last say there???

          Stop kissing LEO/Authorities ass so much.

          You are right, if you want respect you have to give it.. SO WHY DIDN”T THE COPS GIVE IT??? It goes both ways and the cops do NOT get automatic respect until THEY earn it too.

          I don’t care how up in your face someone is, if they are not breaking the law is all that matters – respect is a subjective thing and therefore should not be even in the conversation since if it is you just made every cop out there judge jury and executioner if HE THINKS he got disrespected.

          Will every cop take advantage of the power they have to act that way? No, but if even ONE does it, that’s to many, especially for something that in the end boils down to the officers feelings being hurt because he was not respected.

          Respect of him is not a requirement for him doing his job and the police officers reaction to ‘disrespect’ is a personal one, in a job that should not be personal and when it gets personal is when you end up with cops acting as JJE, all because their feelings where hurt, not due to any ACTUAL violation of the law or threat to the officer.

          Bluntly, cops are paid to have fuck you said to them and more, cops are paid to have ANYTHING said to them and ignore it. That’s what a professional does, their job and only their job.

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9O1KQPypbI SmashAnarchy

            We fundamentally disagree. Like I said, I have no sympathy for these punks, nor would any rational person. Chief Katz sounds like a very rational person, and if his side of the story is accurate, I side his officers in this isolated case. If it’s not the case, then the punks should have filed a complaint and pursued it. They didn’t. Unlike you, I won’t paint all law enforcement with the broad brush of being inherently bad.

          • Steve_Mart1n

            No, you are fundamentally wrong, per the law and the constitution.

            I am not painting all in a broad brush but you sure are.

            The difference between you and I, is I have the law and the constitution behind me, you don’t.

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9O1KQPypbI SmashAnarchy

            “Rights” are not unlimited. And it’s not up to you to decide what is and is not Constitutional.

          • Steve_Mart1n

            You are right, the constitution already laid it out and it’s not up to the police to decide what is and is not constitutional, it’s again, already laid out and the citizens were within their rights, end of story.

            The cops were not.

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9O1KQPypbI SmashAnarchy

            Maybe, maybe not. If they felt they were within their rights and the same were violated, then they should have brought a case. They didn’t. If they had, I doubt they’d have garnered any sympathy from judge or jury, and would have summarily lost. Which is quite likely why they didn’t.

          • Steve_Mart1n

            BTW – no one said they were unlimited so not even sure where you are bringing that in at, other than to distract of course.

            Rights are rights, neither you nor the cops get to take them away from me just because you don’t like that I am using them.

            They were using their rights within the limits outlined in the law for those rights, the cops decided they did not have those rights without a crime being committed.

            The only ones trying to decide what is and is not constitutional is the cops and that’s not their job.

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9O1KQPypbI SmashAnarchy

            Your interpretation of these events and the underlying constitutionality of the officer’s actions is not the same as those of the overwhelming majority of all rational, logical people’s. This wasn’t brought before a jury, and there is a lot facts that I don’t know, so I can’t say. All I can say with certainty is that I have no sympathy for these punks. But then, I’m just repeating myself.

          • Steve_Mart1n

            btw – don’t bother responding, you are clearly a brown nose and don’t care about anyone else or their rights, only yourself and your rights

            You are the definition of a hypocrite

        • Rail Car Fan

          @ “Smash Anarchy”, who stated…

          “The police… putting their lives on the line.”

          Here’s another one who’s been drinking the gov’ment Kool-Aid as to “How Dangerous” being a cop is.

          I’ve included this link http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2013/08/22/americas-10-deadliest-jobs-2/ of “America’s 10 Deadliest Jobs”… of which Law Enforcement/cops are NOT even mentioned in those ten.

          So much for “SA’s” post on how cops “put their lives on the line daily”.

          Rail Car Fan

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9O1KQPypbI SmashAnarchy

            Those all look like jobs where people die due to their own negligence, not due to drug addicted thugs and miscreants popping them off.

          • Kerfuffulator

            Why don’t you cite some numbers to back up those claims & excuses?

          • Nemo

            How do “drug addicted thugs and miscreants” smarting off kill cops?

            If you mean that those “miscreants” are shooting at cops, however, as best as I recall, more people in retail die by gunfire every year than police. Of police deaths, only about 30% are due to violence, most of the rest are due to (often self-inflicted) traffic fatalities, plus a certain number of suicides. Which is to say, their own negligence.

        • Kerfuffulator

          Nothing in the Constitution requires being polite or respectful. Unpopular Speech is specifically protected.

          Your theory and belief have been over-ruled by the courts.

          In a San Francisco case in 2011, a jury acquitted a man who, when asked by an officer for his name, responded, “What if I tell you it’s Fuck You?”

    • Steve_Mart1n

      It’s interesting you call them punks, not knowing them…

      You take offense at them using offensive language towards someone else, then YOU use offensive language towards them…

      What makes what you are doing any more right than what they did? Aren’t they both free speech?? Why do you get the right to call them punks, but they don’t get teh same right of expression????

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9O1KQPypbI SmashAnarchy

        If it quacks like a duck …

        • Steve_Mart1n

          Using that logic, makes it clear you are a hypocritical bigot

          After all, if it talks like a hypocritical bigot…

          Enjoy your award, you certainly earned it

  • RogerfromOhio

    Is it really the job of police to promote fear of the police force?? Fear is not productive….. and escalating a situtition because the victim is not fearful of police is just ignorance….. it seems to me that police are way too afraid of the general public

    • steveo

      I think our learned police chief wishes he could take that back. A Freudian slip at best, a cop who believes in leos as masters, at worst. He probably would like to substitute the word “respect” for fear.

    • Ordinary Citizen

      You’re not reading the sentence properly. “…behaving in a manner consistent with a fear of the police…” Isn’t about actual fear of the police, it’s about the excuse many minorities offer to explain their behavior, ie “I was afraid of the police.”

      These wayward youths weren’t fearful, they were arrogant, profane pricks. Based on their own actions, they (or their apologists/advocates) couldn’t later claim they were “in fear” because they clearly were not.

      • Kerfuffulator

        Umm… having a brave front or even arrogant does not mean one is not fearful. Declining to kiss cop ass does not make someone less deserving of Constitutionally guaranteed rights. Jerks are just as protected as saints. Everyone means everyone.

        On the other hand, the arrogant pricks in the video were clearly the cops.

        • Brian Wirth

          I would have to assume that these fine upstanding gentlemen were just arrogant. My reasoning is simply this. The police pulled guns on them. The response wasn’t fearful, it was contempt. Any rational person would not respond to a gun pointed at their face with smacking of the lips and tongue and saying “aww man”…. These guys are clearly used to having firearms pointed at them, be it by police or other fine upstanding gentlemen they meet on their day to day drives.

          • Kerfuffulator

            None of which is illegal. equal protection under the law and all that

      • Kirkus1964

        You don’t think acting arrogant and using profanity can be a front for someone who is actually afraid? False bravado and all that.

      • godlessmath

        To further demonstrate the point made by the other people who replied to you, if you want an example of someone interacting with the police who is not afraid of them, look at HONORYOUROATH’s youtube videos. I’m sure even he has a certain amount of fear of the cops, but that is about as close as you’ll get.

        In other words, you are thinking of a dog that is barking and growling at you, but that is likely to be a dog which is scared of you. Think instead of a dog that doesn’t even bother to turn its head to see what you are doing.

      • RogerfromOhio

        No they were not in fear…. and they should not have been…… honestly it was the cops who were afraid… afraid because their authority was being challenged by 4 black kids

    • redditall

      “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom”
      but
      Fear of the police is the beginning of oppression
      .

  • RogerfromOhio

    Isnt it cute how some people are upset by the word cracker…. but the comment “I’ll put a round in your ass so quick,”
    has limited impact on those same people

    • steveo

      Plus they’re not taught to put rounds in peoples’ asses. They are taught to shoot at the body mass, the upper torso around the heart. That has the most stopping power. Shooting someone in the ass probably won’t put the threat on the ground.

      • RogerfromOhio

        That is one of the problems…. the “shoot first ask questions later” attitude of our American police needs to come to an end

    • Brian Wirth

      Considering we couldn’t see what the other person in the front seat was doing, I would say the officer may have had every right to use that verbiage. You and most of the other people on this site seem to enjoy saying the cops are always wrong, and they have no right to become defensive. I find this ignorant. You don’t have the whole story in many of these videos, and in this case only a camera on the cop rather than the subjects who may or may not have antagonized the situation.

      • Nemo

        Why is it that the video is invalid because it was shot by individuals who may or may not have antagonized the cops, rather than shot by the cops, who may or may not have antagonized the individuals?

        Further, the cops don’t bother with “the whole story” when they make an arrest. All they care about is enough of the story to get a conviction. Your double standard is telling.

      • RogerfromOhio

        It is a cop’s job to be professional….. and that means not being defensive and losing control….. when a cop makes a mistake people die

  • les

    Ah the blue mafia showing us all how to be a REAL thug! and there mafia boss praised their good show….

  • tvcs

    If I’m not mistaken, those colleges listed on his “resume” are online universities. Probably not the best training.

    • ENTWAFFNUNGDERGESTAPO!

      while not wanting to sound like an academic snob, I agree whole-heartedly. Diploma mills that will leave you ill-equipped to clean toilets at 7-11.

      • Mike TheVet

        And leave you in massive debt, which, imo, is the reason why some of these colleges exist.

        • BabbaZee